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bucci
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   Posted 3/21/2010 8:24 PM (GMT -7)   
how do you get rid of EBV? and c.pneumonia
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   Posted 3/22/2010 7:19 AM (GMT -7)   
HI Bucci,
I don't know anything about c.pneumonia, but I know more than I want to about EBV. In 1985 - 86 I was dxed with chronic/acute EBV & told I would never work again. Didn't work out too well for me, as I was a single parent at the time - so I had to work.

Approx. 97% of the American public will test positive for EBV. A significant amount of those will never experience any sxes. Only a few lucky ones get to live with the sxes in a chronic form.

I have yet to read anywhere that there has been a 'cure' found for EBV. Most of the time, docs don't want to administer any tx.

Here are 2 links to do a little reading on EBV;
This first one is from the CDC -

www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/ebv.htm


And this one is from the "Merck Manual"

www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch198/ch198g.html

Hope this helps some - :)

Trav
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.


Razzle
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   Posted 3/22/2010 4:45 PM (GMT -7)   
I personally believe viruses, even chronic ones, can be eliminated with the use of essential oils...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently weaning off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Doxycycline, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Singulair, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (topically & nasally), probiotics, Liver support herbs, Ailanthus, digestive enzymes, homeopathy.


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   Posted 3/22/2010 5:46 PM (GMT -7)   
HI Razzle,
Do you have experience with essential oils & treating EBV?? I would definitely be interested in what you may know. I have thought for years that chronic EBV was something I would only be able to 'control' some.

Or if you know of a reliable website where I could go to do my own 'research' reading?
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.


bucci
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   Posted 3/22/2010 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey mee too Razzzle! I love and respond great to essential oils.

Traveler have you ever tried sandle wood? it very expensive but so great on the nervous system. I went to India once for panchakarma treatment and they use it all the time also sandlewood powder you can buy from banyan botanicals. you use is instead of soap after doing hot oil .. when you heat up sesamee seed oil or olive oil and rub all your joints first then rub it al over your body. even pour over your head. sit for 20 minutes and then wash off with sandle wood soap or if you can get the powder . it is so calming for the nerves and joints. but gets messy.. sesamee stains.
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   Posted 3/23/2010 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Bucci1
No, I haven't tried Sandlewood. I would love to be able to do some reading on it though. Is there a specific website you would recommend?
Thanx~
Trav
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.


bucci
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   Posted 3/23/2010 12:30 PM (GMT -7)   
does hydrogen peroxide IV get rid of EBV??
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Razzle
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   Posted 3/23/2010 1:40 PM (GMT -7)   
My personal experience with essential oils is limited due to my own sensitivities. I also do not have EBV or c. pneumonia. However, I have read in the Essential Oils Desk Reference (4th ed. copyright 2007 Essential Science Publishing ISBN 0-943685-49-4) the following info for treating EBV:

Treat Hypoglycemia to improve EBV. Also, digestive enzymes, probiotics, Vitamin C and thyroid support are helpful. The following essential oils are also helpful:

Sandalwood, Grapefruit, Nutmeg, Blue Tansy, Mountain Savory, Oregano, Rosemary, Thyme, Clove, Melaleuca Alternifolia.

Info about some of the specific essential oils:

Clove - Powerful antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal and antiparasitic activity; the highest known antioxidant substance.

Lemon - Enhances immune function, increases circulation, and has antiseptic properties. May cause photosensitivity of skin when applied topically.

Cinnamon - Antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral; recommendation to dilute with vegetable oil when applying topically.

Eucalyptus Radiata - Antibacterial, antiviral, anti-inflammatory.

Rosemary - Antimicrobial; a key ingredient in antiseptic pharmaceuticals is based on a constituent in rosemary essential oil.

Oregano - Powerful antifungal, antiviral, antibacterial and antiparasitic action; anti-inflammatory, and immune stimulant activity, excellent for respiratory infections, TB, and GI problems. Dilute with vegetable oil for topical application.

Thyme - Antiviral, antiparasitic, antifungal, helps Hepatitis. May need to dilute with vegetable oil if using topically.

Essential oils may be diffused, taken internally (if not contaminated with impurities), or applied topically. If a burning sensation occurs after topical / internal use, apply vegetable oil to dilute the essential oil.
Viruses (such as EBV) like to hide in the spine, so oils applied topically may be applied along the spine on the back to help route out the hiding viruses.

The Essential Oils Desk Reference book is available from YLWisdom.net


-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently weaning off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Doxycycline, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Singulair, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (topically & nasally), probiotics, Liver support herbs, Ailanthus, digestive enzymes, homeopathy.


Agmaar
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   Posted 3/24/2010 9:11 AM (GMT -7)   
If you have chronic Cpn, it's moved out of the lungs and gone deep tissue.  It's tough to get rid of then.  Similar to lyme in that it has 3 life forms and hides out from your immune system.  Best info is here:
 
 
It will take a long time to get rid of - need combined antibiotics.  Some will be more like anti-TB - Rifampin or something similar.
 
Cpn is a known bad actor with fibro, chonic fatigue, MS and more.  IMO you won't get your energy back til you treat the Cpn.  One life form sheds its own cell wall and hides inside your cells.  It's literally robbing your energy from inside your own cells.
Rich
 
Lyme, anxitey, depression, chronic C. Pnuemoniae
 
"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
 
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)
 
 


bucci
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   Posted 3/24/2010 1:15 PM (GMT -7)   
thank you Agmaar.

I read that site. unbelievable.......what a mess
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Really Lyme
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   Posted 3/24/2010 1:17 PM (GMT -7)   
My last appointment my my LLMD he believes he has gotten rid of my Lyme and is now treating me for c.pneumonia. I also have an MS diagnosis most of my symptoms are Nuero. He put me on the Stratton=Vanderbilt Protocol. I take Minocycline everyday, Azthromycin 3 days aweek, and a Flagyl pulse for a week every month and a supplement of NAC.
 
I was worried at first that he could be wrong. I do test positive for CPN. But the treatment has halted my MS flares and most of my symptoms I believe are from Herxing. So I now believe it is helping. I have never in the last 5 years ever had a new MS flare while on Minocycline. I have went off of it a few times and boom my MS is back.  It is my dream antibiotic besides the stomach issues it gives me but I will take that over loosing the ability to walk, or my eyesight. or everything else Nuero symptoms cause.
 
I also love the website  http://www.cpnhelp.org/ . I have learned alot from the cummunity there.
 
Good luck in your search. I have learned more medical stuff in the last 5 years than my brain has room for.
 
 
Finding Peace In This Crazy World !
 
Beth
 
FIRST POSITIVE LYME TEST IN NOVEMBER OF 2004
DX- WITH MS  APRIL OF 2005
DX- WITH LYME JULY OF 2006
FINALLY TREATED FOR LYME JANUARY 2007


bucci
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   Posted 3/24/2010 4:56 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks reallylyme I checkin it out. is it true that some doctors don't think the chlamidial pneumonia is no big deal?????
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Razzle
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   Posted 3/24/2010 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Not surprised many MD's don't consider CPn to be a big deal...heck, they don't think Lyme is that big a deal either...  I think the Lyme community knows way more about Lyme than most non-LLMD's, and sometimes even more than some LLMD's too! rolleyes
 
Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently weaning off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Doxycycline, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Singulair, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (topically & nasally), probiotics, Liver support herbs, Ailanthus, digestive enzymes, homeopathy.


Really Lyme
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   Posted 3/24/2010 6:12 PM (GMT -7)   
My Nuero call herself a MS Specialist and she says shes never heard of this. Even though there is a MS Clinic at the Vanderbilt College that has started this protocol and made many people with MS better on antibiotics.
 
It is not well known the next Drs I would like to see is at the College in Tenessee or there is a Dr in Calironia I have heard great things about. My LLMD in Conneticut diagnosed me and wrote a long term treatmaent plan for my PCP to follow. It is working for me!


Finding Peace In This Crazy World !
 
Beth
 
FIRST POSITIVE LYME TEST IN NOVEMBER OF 2004
DX- WITH MS  APRIL OF 2005
DX- WITH LYME JULY OF 2006
FINALLY TREATED FOR LYME JANUARY 2007


Agmaar
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   Posted 3/24/2010 10:22 PM (GMT -7)   
For some really good info on the Cpn - MS connection do a search on Wheldon, MS and Cpn.  He's a UK microbiologist.  His wife was dx'ed with MS and got much better when the Cpn was treated. 
 
Here's a sample:
 
and a good summary paper by a patient advocate that was familiar with the Cpn work done at Vanderbilt:
 
 
I'm taking doxy, NAC, rifampin and flagyl pulses for the Cpn.
 
Definitely still getting flagyl die off reaction after a year.  Not sure if it's the Lyme or Cpn cysts or both.
 
Like Lyme, Cpn is no big deal IF you get it early.  If not ... it is a mess.
 
Rich
 
Lyme, anxitey, depression, chronic C. Pnuemoniae
 
"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
 
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)
 
 


therearemiracles
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   Posted 3/26/2010 7:34 AM (GMT -7)   
I printed off the protocol and gave it to my Lyme's doctor, he knew nothing about it, but was and is willing to treatment for my C.P infection any way I want. I'm on a shot of Bicillin once a week because Doxy and Cednifir tore my gut up and I take Zithromax every other day and I'm now starting to pulse with Flagyl.
 
Has anyone taken Flagyl and it makes them tired? I take a half of tablet and bam withing a hour I'm knock out sleeping!
 
 
Very mild left sided (could have fooled me with the "mild")  UC.Just found out 4 years into it I might have Lyme's Disease, going to a LLMD in December. Confirmed Lymes on 12/8/09 before my new antibiotic protocal from my LLMD, I  Started and stopped LDN ON 1/25/09 to mid May no improvements. Tried Asacol, Pentesa, Colozol, Sulfasulsadine and Lialda, they made me worse. A range of antibiotics, not much better. Supplements: Threelac, multi, iron, very low yeast/sugar/wheat  No UC meds at this time. Started Doxy and Cedfinir too rough on stomach, started Bicillin injection 1/12/10, once a week of injections. Feel much more energy on shot.

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