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Posted 4/24/2010 1:07 AM (GMT -7)
Hi feelingbetter21,

Looking forward to hearing what more you may find out about this product and also how you are doing. I hope you continue to make progress. It is always encouraging when someone has good news and success! Do you think your chiro. would sell the product to a person that is not her patient? I found her on the internet, but I can't remember if she has email! Also, do you think the product actually kills the "germs" or do you think it is meant to support the immune system and help it do it's job? or maybe, both?

Best wishes for continued success and healing!

bablymers mom
Posted 4/25/2010 8:36 AM (GMT -7)
Hi bablymers, I've investigated as much info on the web as I can and had lengthy conversations with my Acupuncturist. I believe the Tic Tox will actually kill the bacteria, as stated in a previous post, when applied as a topographical solution it kills the tic then is applied to the bite area which kills the bacteria. At this point its believed to kill the germ, where antibiotics don't necessarily kill the germ. These next 2 paragraphs are taken from a natural remedy site in France which I posted previously.

In classic medicine, one treats Lyme’s Disease with antibiotics. But this method rarely succeeds. Why? The explanation appeared in a study which showed that the borreliae are capable of ‘hiding’ in the red corpuscles among other specialized cells.

If a tick is attached, apply 1 to 2 drops of Tic-Tox directly on the tick. After two minutes, it will be dead, and one can pull it out with tweezers. Then apply a cotton ball soaked with Tic-Tox on the point of the bite. Change it three times in 24 hours. This allows one to kill the borreliaes which could have possibly been transmitted, as the essential oils have the ability of passing through the cutaneous layer.

This information along with results from Theresa's patients lead me to believe Tic Tox actually kills the bacteria. I think she may be reluctant to send Tic Tox to people as I've stated before she does not wish to become a distributor, and prefers to treat her own patients. I recently sent a letter to the company about there website and interest in the product in hopes they will try to accommodate english speaking patients here in the US. I'll let you know when I hear something.
Be well
Scott
Posted 4/27/2010 10:30 PM (GMT -7)

Hi Scott,

Thank you for responding and for all your efforts to find info for us.  I really appreciate it.  I hope the company does take your advice and include info for the American market.  I will look forward to hearing good news about the product and also about your continued success with healing from this terrible disease.

Thanks again and best wishes to you,

bablymers mom

Posted 4/30/2010 7:02 AM (GMT -7)
I am French and I don´t know anyone, who healed with Tic Tox. rolleyes

And please, don´t aplly Tic Tox on the ticks.This is dangerous, because the tick can transfer the borrelia in the sore, when it feels, that it is dying! nono

Posted 4/30/2010 7:19 AM (GMT -7)

Franziska said...
I am French and I don´t know anyone, who healed with Tic Tox. [img]/community/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]


And please, don´t aplly Tic Tox on the ticks.This is dangerous, because the tick can transfer the borrelia in the sore, when it feels, that it is dying! [img]/community/emoticons/nono.gif[/img]

Thank you for sharing this with us. I've searched everywhere trying to get information about this product on the French Lyme forums and there's not much there. I haven't found anything that was convincing to me that this is some "cure all" or potent formula that would be too effective on Lyme disease. I would think that if it's so great everyone on the Lyme forums would be talking about it. I did a search on one of the larger lyme forums and not once is this product mentioned. That should tell you something.

I appreciate it coming from you since you know more about this than most of us.

Gary
Posted 4/30/2010 11:10 AM (GMT -7)
Well thats interesting, everything I've seen on the French forums are positive. I'll have to go to Theresa and ask her about it, and her 300 other patients who are doing better. As I've said its helping me. Time to dig a little deeper. Thanks guys!
Posted 4/30/2010 11:51 AM (GMT -7)
feelingbetter21, I didn't say that what I read was negative, there just wasn't anything I read that made me believe that this was anything more special than say, Olive Leaf Extract, or Garlic (allicin) capsules or Nattokanise, etc. All of these things can be very helpful in treating Lyme disease and possibly contribute to helping people to get better, but none of them alone are a "cure all" for this disease. I'm just saying, I didn't come away from the forums thinking, "Wow, this is something that I gotta get because it will make be better".

If you want to provide us with some links to the forums where there is positive conversation going on about Tic Tox, that would be awesome as I would love to learn more about this. I'm still very curious about it. Anything you could provide for us here to read about Tic Tox would be very helpful and greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Gary
Posted 4/30/2010 12:23 PM (GMT -7)
feelingbetter,

You need to understand that by coming on the forum and saying, "I am better" from a product that doesn't list it's ingredients and is not even sold in America, that people would be a little hesitant about trying it. Many people have come to these forums and have claimed this very same thing, yet you hear of no one else taking their medicine/supplement/herb and getting better. If you would have been on the forum for some time and posted this, you would have a little more credibility. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it doesn't work, it's just hard to believe right now since there are so many "grey" areas. Many people have spent tons of money on "cure alls" and have gotten taken advantage of. This is the reason so many of us are asking questions. When someone comes on here saying "I feel better" from this suuplement/herb and cannot post any information or list the ingredients, you should know that there will be concerns in purchasing this product.

I'm also wondering how Teressa can give this to her patients and not know what's in this product? I would be hessitant to take anything before knowing what was in it or what it did in my body.
Posted 4/30/2010 4:40 PM (GMT -7)
Hi feelingbetter,

I'm happy for you that this product is working for you even though you don't know what's in it.   I became better using alternative medicine but before I started the protocol, I bought the doctor's book who designed this protocol, read it, read the ingredients which is available online, knew I had a problem with one of the ingredients (20% alcohol as I am a recovering alcoholic), called up his clinic to see if I could remove the alcohol and still get the benefits of the botanicals.

So this is a totally different ball game if you know what I mean.  There are no secrets.  I found out about this doctor from a different forum and everyone has fantastic things to say about this doctor and his protocol so that's when I decided to first buy his book and learn about his protocol.

I am totally for alternative medicine but I need to know what I am putting in my body. 

Don't know if you saw the movie called "The Bucket List" with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman but Jack was drinking coffee that he thought it was the very best coffee only to find out that the coffee beans were grown in cat dung, LOL!  Yeah, poopy coffee! 

Anyway, good luck to you and I wish you luck in your healing process.

Denise

Posted 5/19/2010 6:20 AM (GMT -7)
Hello all, just wanted to update you on my progress. I'm currently coming to the end of my 2nd month on tic tox. So far so good, I'm even playing softball again. Small bouts of facial numbness are still present but joint pain is pretty non existent now. I've spoken with several other of Theresas patients. They all had wonderful things to say about Tic Tox and her acupuncture treatments. Getting back to our french friend who mentioned not applying tic tox directly to a tick because the tick will inject the disease if it feels its dying. This statement is hard to believe as it is pretty well documented that if a tick carrying the bacteria bites a human and remains attached for over 24 hours thus being engorged, the bacteria may enter the human’s blood stream and cause infection. I'm not sure a tic has the brain capacity to realize when its dying, but I could be wrong. So I'm assuming his expertise on this disease is limited, like most of us.
I'm not sure if I mentioned this before but Theresa also suffered from Lyme, and through a healthy diet, detoxing and the use of Tic Tox has been symptom free for over a year. I'll stay in touch, and wish all of you success in your journey against this plague.
Be well
Scott
Posted 5/19/2010 6:42 AM (GMT -7)
I found this info

However, Lyme’s Disease is definitely there and it can be treated with a remedy baptised Tic-Tox, available in France and Switzerland (Laboratoire Nutrival – 4 rue Foch – 67450 Mundolsheim- Telephone-011 33 03 88 69 11 33, email- infos@nutrivital.fr). This remedy composed of extracts of propolis and of different essential oils with antibacterial effects (savory, cloves) antiseptics and an anti-inflammatory (wild camomile) was elaborated by Bernard Christophe, a pharmacist who specialized in phyto-aromatherapy, for an immediate local treatment after a tick bite. After several tries, its employment was validated for internal use in a curative treatment.
Posted 5/19/2010 6:57 AM (GMT -7)
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TICTOX N°1 - Flacon 15 ml

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Caractéristiques :

Indications : traitement préventif ou curatif des morsures de tiques (maladie de Lyme, borrelioses ...).

Used in the treatment of lyme

Conseils d'utilisation : bien agiter avant emploi.

Shake well before using

- En préventif : déposer sur la tique 2 gouttes de TICTOX durant 2 à 3 minutes puis la retirer avec une pince ou un tire-tique. Dès que vous êtes assuré de la tête est bien sortie avec le corps, appliquez avec un sparadrap 2 à 3 gouttes de TICTOX directement sur l'endroit de la morsure afin de désinfecter en profondeur et tuer les borrelies qui pourraient avoir été transmises. Laisser ce sparadrap en place une heure ou deux et renouveler éventuellement l'opération 2 à 3 fois sur 24 heures.

- En curatif : 5 gouttes 3 fois par jour pendant 2 à 3 mois( = 1 flacon de 15 ml) dans 1/4 verre d'eau ou sur un morceau de sucre, à prendre au milieu d'un repas ou en fin de repas.

no time to translate but this is the dosage

Composition : complexe d'huiles essentielles (citron, sarriette, girofle, propolis ...).

Citron (Lemon)

Ssarriette (herb)
http://www.neroliane.eu/product_info.php?products_id=592

Girofle(cloves)

Propolis (http://www.elements.nb.ca/theme/ethnobotany/propolis/propolis.htm)

This all seems safe to me. I would see a certified homeopath before taking this in case anyone has interactions to bee pollen.

I'm not a certified naturopath yet, but this seems like a great natural healer.

The herbs I took to heal my lyme were similiar and I swear by them. I believe the herbs I took worked and got me back on my feet into the world of the living again.

Posted 5/19/2010 7:29 AM (GMT -7)
I just copied the whole thing and put it on a translator and here's what it says:

Indications: preventive medication or curative of the bites of ticks (disease of Lyme, borrelioses…). Used in the treatment off lyme The Councils d' use: to agitate well before employment. Shake well before using - Into preventive: to deposit on the tick 2 drops of TICTOX during 2 to 3 minutes then to withdraw it with a grip or a car-tick. As soon as you are ensured of the head left well with the body, apply with an adhesive plaster 2 to 3 drops of TICTOX directly to l' place of the bite in order to disinfect in-depth and kill the borrelies which could be transmitted. To leave this adhesive plaster place one hour or two from there and to renew l' if required; operation 2 to 3 times over 12 midnight. - In curative: 5 drops 3 times per day during 2 to 3 months (= 1 bottle of 15 ml) in 1/4 glass d' water or on a piece of sugar, to take in the d' medium; a meal or at the end of the meal. No time to relocates goal this is the proportioning Composition: complex d' essential oils (lemon-yellow, savory, clove, propolis…). Lemon (Lemon)

I translate--you decide. smilewinkgrin

Gary
Posted 7/17/2010 10:31 PM (GMT -7)
Hi newbie here.

I just started on Tic Tox yesterday after it was recommened to me by my naturopath here in Germany. He has been said to be the top person to treat Lyme here and has had a lot of success with Tic Tox. He also uses various herbal remedies and probiotics and frequency therapy which is not alternative in Germany but mainstream and you can buy a unit cheaply that many therapists and patients are using for all sorts of conditions which has been tested and approved. I will be starting my first session today.

You put the Tic Tox on bread and drink a lot of water when you are on the treatment. It tasts disgusting but soon goes down. I am taking one drop twice a day then building up to 10 drops a day.

I will report on how it goes.
Posted 7/18/2010 10:30 PM (GMT -7)
This is great. Every forum has to have it's LOOK OUT guy and we got
Junk Yaard Willy. he is "On it!" like a junk yard dog.

I wonder about this stuff and "feeling better" Not that I know anything but
she seems sincere. ( actuallly I don't even know if she is a she or a he??

I just now made "feeling bettter " a "she" but she did actually list the Dutchess
county place where she was getting treated in NY.

and cats claw is supposed to be great for Bartonella . which is really known as
cat scratch disease and is gotten by cat flee bites.


I think there is something to this accupunture thing and lyme especially in terms of keeping our sytstms running . We need the extra boost to keep us going. It is more repair and damage control than actual cure. But things like CAT'S CLAW is known to be great for bartonella. which you can get from cats scratch from the larva being under cats claw. so flees can give you bartonella too from what I read. I had a beautiful white hymallian sandy point cat that would go down into the woods of my yard that was loaded with deer. I know now that cat was bringing in ticks and bartonella. NO DOUBT


i actually believe that bartonella is a whole seperate issue on it's own and people who have outrageous anxiety are loaded with bartonella. all these zanax people that just get worse and worse. Their mantra becomse "I Can't..I just can't."

I think my brother still chewing his fingers at 52 yrs old and always ripping heads off is bartonella.

I would like to try this stuff just cause of the cats claw and because the French are so much better at this stuff than the Americans.
If this is a French thing I think we could have good shot. I have found them to be way ahead of us in medical treatment with serious stuff like HIV. and the way they treat health there is so much more intelligent. It is like when you look at the american sport of FOOTBALL and how barbaaric it is and then you look at SOCCER what an elegent sport it is in comparison. that is how I see USA medical system compared to French.
also from where i am sitting I think there is just no integrity in US medical system. It really is about driving the $$$$. How many drug companies are laying off or cutting back 20% work time.??.

You are the best Junk Yard Willey and always looking out. I can't even call it sceptical. it is very sensible considering the situation we are all so vulnerable at this point .

And Feelingbetter, thanks for the tip. I think yo legite but I am one of the more gullable one's on the forum.

I would go for a bottle of it. I try everything and this is cheep compared to everything else at this point. How do I get it. my email is listed. You better be legitt or the JunkYard Dog is gonna be all over you. (<>"")https://www.healingwell.com/community/posticons/icon9.gif
i have a partner in Marseille in a bikram yoga school . I am going to ask her to find out the lyme story over there. If I was feeling better i would have been there for treatment but I'm broke right now anyway.
lots of love to all
Posted 6/25/2011 4:46 AM (GMT -7)
Dear all,
I see the threat gets a bit heated up and I have to say I did not read all the posts (although it must have cooled down as it is almost a year old!) I agree that one must be careful about plants and the quality of naturopathic products as well as tolerance and mixing medications.
Nevertheless, my story with Lyme is similar to Feelingbetter and I have now been on antibiotics for over a year; I have also have reached a stagnation plateau and I wonder whether there is a point to taking such powerful medications (rx, Mepron) now that I feel no improvement (I did at the beginning- on the limitations of antiobiotherapy, you might want to look into youtube clips "Why am I still sick?", which explain about biofilms. Professor Sapi discusses the Lyme bacterium unfortunately her accent is stronger than mine!).

I am French and moved back to France where somebody (a completely non-biased party) suggested Tictox which she had used with positive results. I have ordered the catalog from Nutrivital and am planning to try it. If I learn anything about the composition from the catalog or if I have feedback to give I will post again. (I found the thread because I am trying to research the infamous Tictox). I am interested in Feelingbetter's experience with the product, if he wants to PM, and I do hope that he is indeed an uninterested party.


Lyme is so awful and so difficult to manage that we are willing to try anything, and when we find something helpful we want to push it on everyone. I do think like Feelingbetter in a way: more than a year of Rx is quite a sacrifice already, even though I tolerate it well. I never thought I would take so much medication in my life and I am not happy about it.
I doubt anything I could take be as toxic as my current treatment. But yes, herbs can be dangerous, proper supervision by a skilled naturopath is key and I would not order anything from the internet just because I see it.

Anyway. Good luck to all,
M.
Posted 6/25/2011 10:27 AM (GMT -7)
Hi Malinche!
Welcome to our forum!! I am so sorry to hear about your experience with Lyme Disease! Although I'm glad you found us!!! This thread is not typical of how we interact here, and as you pointed out the thread is a year old.

I too, have had a year of abx and only slide deeper into that hole. I believe that each person's treatment that works for them is as unique as they are! I am currently using acupuncture, herbal formulas and Homoepathic remedies to treat my tick-borne infections and am getting great results!

Thank you very much for sharing your insight and experiences with us!! I look forward to hearing more about how you are doing!!
Posted 10/31/2011 5:10 AM (GMT -7)
Hi feelingbetter21
I have read your post and saw that the moderator commented on the fact that the lab that produces tic tox doesn't list the ingredients. I have a bottle in front of me. I guess any lab can annualise the contents.

I live in the Alsace in France and Lyme disease is a public health problem. Antibiotics don't help unless taken shortly after the tick bite. People who have taken antibiotics later don't get healed. It is really tenacious
How are you feeling now? Are you 'healed' yet?
Kind regards
Len
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