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LymeLee
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   Posted 7/13/2010 11:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello guys...for those who used Jernigan products, is a month supply enough to see if it's working?? or does it take longer? I got the home protocol....Please share:)

Lee

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   Posted 7/13/2010 12:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Patti:)

I did email Denise, but haven't heard back yet. By the way, is there anything helping you know?

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/13/2010 12:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Patti, I'm so sorry to hear that. I've been bedridden for over two years and so far am not having much luck with anything. Maybe IV antibiotics will be next??? not sure.

Lee

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   Posted 7/13/2010 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Lee and Patti,
 
Lee, sorry I didn't e-mail you back yet, I will.   No, one month is not going to accomplish much.  It takes about 8 to 10 months total if followed correctly.   When I followed Dr. J's "healing at home" protocol it was from his first book so many products that are available now were not available back then such as the Lymogen, etc.  Back then there was no Perfect 7 protocol.  
 
I took his Borrelogen and CNS/PNS Neuro-Antitox Formula (which was Pale Spike Lobelia and Silphitrin).   If you don't have his book "Beating Lyme Disease" then I suggest buying it (soft cover is less  money). 
 
Taking the botanicals was the easy part, it's the heavy detoxing that takes much time and must be done on a daily basis.  Detox Baths, detox foot baths, dry skin brushing are biggies as well as diet.  Eventually I bought a portable infrared sauna, still continue to do coffee enema's (took me a long time to do that!), and I bought extra supplements such as Green Vibrance (contains many vitamins and minerals), Aloe Master, and more.  
 
I did feel better within 1 month after taking the Borrelogen which is why I continued the protocol.  After being bedridden most of the time, I was surprised that I could do light exercising.  This protocol can take longer for some people to work as everyone is different.   Also makes a huge difference if one was on antibiotics and that can be another obstacle, I happened to start with a "clean" body.   I know of some that went on Dr. J's protocol who were on antibiotics but only to help wean themselves off antibiotics.  
 
Patti, can you dry skin brush and do the foot baths?  I remember reading that you were spending about $300.00 a month, I was spending $100.00 for 2 of his products (Borrelgen and Neuro-Antitox).  Later on I switched to the Microbojen. 
 
Dr. J's protocol addresses all aspects, not just the body.  For example, I had to learn how to reduce my stress levels as I knew that would be a stumbling block for me..  I had financial problems, problems with my family, etc. and thanks to friends on another forum, I learned how to deal with everything in a more positive way. 
 
Below is the old website that I knew when I followed his protocol:
 
 
This is the new site:
 
 
Hope this helps,
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


LymeLee
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   Posted 7/15/2010 5:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Denise...thank you so much for your input. It's very helpful. I just finished my first week. I followed the booklet that i got on the Jernigan site for home protocol. I started with Lymogen and Neuro Antitox Basic. I'm also doing the enema and the detox baths several times a week. I do have a IR sauna, but have been having difficulty tolerating heat lately. I definitely feel something happening. I've been having pain in my jaw and hips, which tells me something is being killed. Also, my horrible headaches are much better, but not completely gone. I will continue for a while to see what happens. I appreciate your guidance.

Thankfully,

Lee

GWB
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   Posted 7/15/2010 8:22 PM (GMT -7)   
LymeLee,

Do you have any head pressure with your headaches? Any heart palpitations? Reason I ask, if you are experiencing any of these symptoms you may have ammonia in your brain, and probably heart and other organs in your body too. The Antitox Basic should be OK, but if you are having any of the above symptoms maybe get the Antitox Cardio next time as it works specifically on ammonia in the brain, heart and other organs.

Good idea about the detox baths several times a week! Keep at it and things will get better in time.

Praying things get better for you soon!

Gary

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/15/2010 8:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gary:) Oh yes terrible head pressure, lots of pain in the eye region and cheeks. Also, heart palpitations. I will definitely try the Cardio! Since the basic helped i think cardio will be even better. I really appreciate the suggestion.

I forgot to order the enzyme....should i get that as well???

I appreciate all the advice...

Thank you,
Lee

GWB
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   Posted 7/15/2010 9:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Your symptoms are exactly as mine were. The Cardio cleared it up in about three weeks. You need to get that ammonia out of you. Read this excellent article about this written by Dr. Jernigan: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_285/ai_n19170382/?tag=content;col1

When I was at the Hansa Center I tested very high for ammonia. Most lymies test high for ammonia and need to get it out of their bodies as it is a horrible toxin to have and causes all kinds of miserable symptoms like the ones you are experiencing.

Are you referring to the Transformation TFF Enzymes? If so, yes, absolutely start on those. They help clean up the blood and clean your kidneys and helps break through the biofilms so that the remedies work more effectively. The enzymes are so very important. I take two a day, one in the morning, one hour before breakfast, and one at night, one hour before dinner. But if the instructions are different in the book then just follow whatever it says.

Do everything you can according to the instructions as that's how you will have the most success in improving. Deejavu (Denise) is proof of that. She followed the home protocol and got well within 8-9 months following the instructions in the book. Is that what you are using for your protocol, "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. David Jernigan? I am still doing the protocol at home but mine is more customized because I went to the HC and got tested. So some of what I take may be a little bit different than what you take. When do you start on the Microbojen and Borrelogen? Those are the two I've been taking and have been doing very well with them.

Anyway, keep it up and as time goes on you will start feeling better and better. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 7/15/2010 10:43:55 PM (GMT-6)


LymeLee
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   Posted 7/15/2010 10:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Gary, wonderful information. I didn't get the book by Dr. Jernigan because The Lyme did a bad number on my eyes. It is very hard for me to read for more than a few minutes. Do you you know by chance if there is an audio version? Maybe a DVD??? I just got the booklet from their website with instructions. I started with Lymogen, because in the booklet it said that if you suspect bartonella, to start with that for two months and then to go to Borrelogen for the next two month. I've only been on it for a week, but definitely feel something is happening.

You gave a great suggestion in one of the posts, which was to have a phone consult with the clinic. I will call Hansa and find out if that is a possibility.

Otherwise, I welcome any and all suggestions that you might have.

Gratefully,
Lee

Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 7/16/2010 6:00 AM (GMT -7)   
LymeLee,

I'm using Jernigan's products also. My eyes were very sore and light sensitive. The Neurotox Antitox CNS/PNS has really helped and with a few weeks. I went off it to use something else for a month and some of the discomfort worsened. It has not totally taken the photosensitivity away, but it is doable now.

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/16/2010 8:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Caldonia. Are you still doing herbals? how's your progress?

Lee

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/16/2010 9:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gary...I read the article "Ammonia in the Brain" and shed so much light on my symptoms. I now understand why i feel so deathly ill when barometric pressure changes. Today is one of those days, my face is throbbing and and i have horrible hip pain.

I wanted to ask you a question, please. In my protocol instructions, step three says to use TPP protease, however it's not sold on the website. Are you using this product? and if yes, where do you purchase it?

Anyway, I'm off to do my detox rituals...

Many thanks,
Lee

Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 7/16/2010 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Pretty much just the jernigan protocol. I started it in February and have another month to go in their six month program. Neuro symptoms have been good; just one episode of vertigo after a long car trip to visit with my very ill sister (stress flare, I think). I did have some arthritis symptoms start up in my hands in May. This is new. I will see my LLMD in two weeks and see what he wants to do about that, if anything.

I still have photosensitivity and hyperacusis, but they are better than they were last year. Noise and commotion of any kind bother me, I seem to need everything peaceful and quiet. Not easy to achieve in this world. I guess my own world is narrowing, maybe a bit too much, but I don't know what else to do.

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/16/2010 12:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Caldonia...have taken antibiotics in the past? May i ask what you take daily from Jernigan?

Thanks,

Lee

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   Posted 7/16/2010 1:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes I did seven months of oral ceftin and 12 IV rocephin treatment last fall. I've been off abx since I started the jernigan products.

I signed up for the six month home protocol. It consists of neuro antitox CNS/PNS, Beyond Chelation, Wobenzyme, Borrelogen and either Lymogen or Microbogen (they alternate months).

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/16/2010 7:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Caldonia:)

GWB
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   Posted 7/19/2010 10:38 PM (GMT -7)   
LymeLee said...
Hi Gary...I read the article "Ammonia in the Brain" and shed so much light on my symptoms. I now understand why i feel so deathly ill when barometric pressure changes. Today is one of those days, my face is throbbing and and i have horrible hip pain.

I wanted to ask you a question, please. In my protocol instructions, step three says to use TPP protease, however it's not sold on the website. Are you using this product? and if yes, where do you purchase it?

Anyway, I'm off to do my detox rituals...

Many thanks,
Lee


Mary,

I'm so sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I am out of town for a Expo and will return home this Sunday. I thought I'd try to get caught up on reading the forum tonight and respond to any questions that were directed to me.

The TPP protease cannot be purchased on the Jernigan website, you are right about that. I don't know why they don't offer on there. You have one of two choices for purchasing the Transformation TPP Protease. You can call or email the Hansa Center telling them you are doing the home protocol and would like to order the Transformation TPP Protease from them and they will ship it to you.

Or, you can go to where I go to order my Transformation Protease and digestive enzymes and get them there. Here's the link to the website where I order them http://www.enzymes.com/tpp_protease.html

Either way will work and it's the same product. Not sure if there's a difference in the price, but you could call the Hansa Center and see what they charge for it then see what the website I order from charges for it and go with whichever one you want to go with.

Again, sorry for the long delay. We've been real busy preparing for this Expo and when we return Sunday I will try to get more caught up on the forum.

How are you feeling lately? Did you order some Cardio Antitox to try for removing the ammonia from your body? Sure hope things are improving for you.

Keep in touch and let me know how things are going for you.

God bless!

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 7/20/2010 11:31:05 AM (GMT-6)


LymeLee
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   Posted 7/20/2010 10:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Gary...It's so wonderful that you are out doing things! god bless.

I'm having a bit of a rough time. I think i woke up a sleeping monster and it's fighting back. I've been in intense pain and sleeping all the time. I read somewhere that Bartonella can do this when it's being treated. I'm backing off for a few days in hopes that the symptoms will improve, but not really sure what to do next.

Please let me know if you ever felt this sort of reaction?

Gratefully,
Lee

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   Posted 7/20/2010 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm at the Expo but we have internet service and wanted to quickly check the forum. Yes, when I got back from the HC about a week or two later I thought all the progress I made went down the toilet. I called Dr. Jowdy and he assured me that this was normal. A lot of toxins are dumping out of your body and your body is reacting to the treatments. In a word, you are herxing.

What you really need to do is simply REST. I cannot overstate the importance of resting, especially when you are feeling like you are. Your body will heal faster and more efficiently when you get the rest you need (even when you don't want to do it--it's hard, I know).

I would suggest you back off, like you said, for a day or two (or more) and get some rest. Drink lots and lots of water (add a tablespoon of organic lemon juice to it), that will help flush the toxins out. Keep those detox baths going, and like Deejavu has so often told me, "patience, patience, patience". : )

Praying and thinking of you throughout the day.

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 7/20/2010 2:51:49 PM (GMT-6)


LymeLee
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   Posted 7/20/2010 11:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Gary:) great advice.

Lee

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   Posted 7/20/2010 4:38 PM (GMT -7)   
LymeLee...just curious how the protocol is going for you? Are you feeling better, worse or the same? I am reading the book now and am just curious to know how people who try this at home do over time.

Thanks.

LymeLee
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   Posted 7/20/2010 4:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi DocGP...It hit me hard!!! Having a very intense reaction. My bones are throbbing, I have fever and sleep constantly. I read in one of Buhner's articles that Bartonella can be evil when it's awakened. Since I was on Lymogen, which is for Bartonella, i suspect maybe that is what's going on. It's been several days and the bone pain is less acute, but still there. The fever is not helping either, since we are having a heat wave in Los Angeles. Oh well...just have to wait it out i guess.

I welcome any helpful hints...

Lee

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   Posted 7/20/2010 5:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Lee,
 
It sounds like the toxins are really moving around..  Are you taking the detox baths and foot baths?  Dry skin brush too to open up those pores..  Remember, our skin is our largest living organ and we want to keep those pores open to let those toxins out...
 
You will get through this and feel great when this passes.
 
Good luck and feel better,
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


LymeLee
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   Posted 7/21/2010 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Denise, i hope this is not a duplicate, I seem to be having a glitch with this site. I have been detoxing like crazy. I did a long bath with Ozone oil, which definitely took the edge off. I have more energy today. However the weather changed and I'm very ache. I will continue detoxing, because it really helps the symptoms.

Thank you for all your help!!!!!

Lee

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   Posted 7/22/2010 8:09 PM (GMT -7)   
LymeLee and others...
I don't get it! In his book, he says that his patients don't herx...that herxing is bad and represents incompetence in the medical provider. Why should LymeLee be suffering? I know I am a skeptical doctor, but I am also a doctor who knows that there are always risks in taking various products, especially non-FDA regulated ones, into one's body. No, the FDA is not the end all and be all, but at least they do have some rules. I am worried for LymeLee...the fever, the bone pain...I am concerned. Dr. Jernigan specifically says that people should not suffer on his treatments.
LymeLee, how are you today?
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