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+Lyme
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   Posted 7/18/2010 10:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.  Last year I tested positive for babs microti, which I understand is the most common. So my new LLMD has retested me for microti and Babs WA1, which came out positive.  So we will be starting babs treatment soon (thank God!).
 
I don't know yet what difference it makes to have this add'l babs. Plus, there's hundreds of strains and these are the only 2 I've been tested for.  This WA1 sounds relatively new to me, but LLMD says it is becoming more common.
 
1.  I'm assuming the treatment will be the same as if I only had 1 babs.  How about symptoms? Do you know if any certain strain has differing symptoms
 
2. Maybe some of you out there who have tested negative for babs should be tested for the WA1 strain?
 
I will defer to anyone who knows more than I about this. I just thought I should bring it up since I've never heard of it.  Would it make any difference to be tested for any other strains? (of course will ask Doc, but it'll be awhile before I see him again)
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.


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   Posted 7/19/2010 11:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey +Lyme!!
You got my curiosity up - so I went a lookin'!!
Babesia WA1-3 is a term that designates yet another strain found in the state of Washington. 1 = patient 1, 2 = patient 2, & WA3 indicates patient 3 with this particular strain.
This info comes from Dr, James Schaller from his website : http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/babesia2007update.html

I also used "Google Scholar" (a great tool!!) & found a study that was done back in '98;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC107933/

In 1991, a zoonotic Babesia-like piroplasm (WA1) was identified in a human case from the state of Washington. WA1 was later found to be genetically and antigenically distinct from B. microti and B. divergens (10) and related to B. gibsoni, a well-known canine pathogen. Additional relatives of WA1 have previously been recognized as human pathogens in California (10, 13). WA1 and its relatives have previously been associated with flu-like symptoms in humans. In some cases, disseminated intravascular coagulation, pulmonary edema, and renal insufficiency have been observed (10, 13). However, previous seroprevalence studies have suggested that some cases may be asymptomatic.
Babesiosis in humans is characterized by anorexia, fatigue, fever, sweating, and generalized myalgia...

Hope this helps a little!!
-Live simply- Love generously- Care deeply- Speak kindly. May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
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   Posted 7/19/2010 7:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for posting that information, Traveler. I was told I have Babesia Duncanai (from Washington state). Didn't see that one in your list. Did they say if the treatment for all of the strains is the same? It was interesting to see a symptom list - I hadn't seen that before. I will have to look disseminated intravascular coagulation and pulmonary edema.

Rose
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   Posted 7/20/2010 4:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Willowrose, I don't know that much about babesia, except that I have it. It appears that microti and Duncnai are the most prevalent strains. Dr indicated W1A is getting up there w/ these. Yeah, I need to look up those 2 symptoms too and my ankles and feet have become a disaster of WILD veins , designs, and varicose, along w/ creepy crawlies in them.
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.


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   Posted 7/20/2010 1:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Glad I could actually be useful!! Giggle!!
Actually the study that was done in '98 that I referred to stated that there are over 100 different strains of Babesia ((WOW!!))
-Live simply- Love generously- Care deeply- Speak kindly. May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
Trav


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   Posted 7/20/2010 2:06 PM (GMT -7)   
And please note, I live in KS = a long way from WA! But my test is definitely positve. When 'anorexia' is listed as a syptom, exactly what does this mean? I put on 25 lbs when I got Lyme and thyroid is low. Haven't been able to take ANY weight off -- not dieting per se, but I don't eat very much. Past couple of months, I find that I am starving at breakfast, but don't really want to eat anything the rest of the day. Have to because I'm hypoglycemic, but I just can't eat very much and don't really feel like eating.

I was thinking that those who are being tested for babs microti or duncan may want to request WA1, simply because they might be more apt to get a positive result if they are, in fact, infected w/ babs.
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.


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   Posted 7/20/2010 2:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, I've developed some visible veins in my lower legs and feet, too. Thought maybe that was aging. What disturbs me is the constant array of bruises on my shins and calves. Big bruises for which I have no explanation. Still working up the courage to look up those two observed medical manifestations of babesia.

Rose
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   Posted 7/20/2010 3:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Rose, if you find something on the veins, will you please share w/ us? It was a Dr and someone on here that told me it was Babs. I haven't found anything online or any photos that look like mine.
 
Thanks!


Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.


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   Posted 7/21/2010 8:38 AM (GMT -7)   
After doing all kinds of reading over the last several years, I agree with you Patti - different strains not only give different symptoms, but require a different treatment. With that in mind, a person also needs to understand that each person is also dealing with their own health challenges & that is a big part of the reason some get better with a particular tx & others don't.

Just my opinion.
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!! May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
Trav


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   Posted 7/21/2010 12:35 PM (GMT -7)   
+Lyme - I have an appt. w/my LLMD next week and I will ask him about the veins and bruising, though last time I asked about the bruising alone he didn't have much to offer. I will see what I can find out.

Rose
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   Posted 7/21/2010 8:22 PM (GMT -7)   
THANK YOU, Willorose! And, as I said, not only do I have deep, dark spider veins, I have squirrely red and purple 'designs' going on down into my feet.

And yeah, my new LLMD did not have any remarks for me on this.
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
 
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.

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