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CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:20 PM (GMT -7)   
you are welcome to step in my shoes. I have to put up with alot while being sick and trying to control grown adults who don't want to follow the rules of this board. It's not whether "I" want to just delete a thread. It's whether or not someone is following the rules. Either way, I am the bad guy. No one likes being corrected, but it has to be done. I think that I am extremely fair and it is not fair for any of you to come on here and bash me. I struggle everyday with this disease plus RA added on to that. I think it's really disgusting that anyone would come here to say how bad I am. Why not contribute in a positive way on this forum? I don't understand why some people on this forum are so rude. It is not easy trying to make everyone happy. You know, before Melody and I came along, this forum was going to be closed because of all of the negative comments and fighting that was going on. Do you all realize that that is the reason the last Moderator left? Would you all talk to your boss this way? Just because this is the internet, does not mean that it doesn't affect someone in some way. I have already stated that I will not let this forum become a negative, bashing forum and that's what I intend to do. The ones that don't agree are welcome to find another forum that allows all of that to go on. If this forum is so bad, why do you keep coming back? We are all here to help others. To stop people from giving up and taking their lives!!! Do you all get that? Show some compassion....please!
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Deejavu
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi CG,
 
If you want me, I will help...   You have much on your plate and I honestly don't mind helping.
 
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


OneWearyChick
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, we do understand you volunteer for this position and that you are dealing with your own health issues. And most of us do know about the previous problems. But.......It is apparent that if certain people question something or have a differing opinion, their posts are deleted; labeled against the rules - well some may be and there are some posts right now that would fit that definition too, but they're still up. Censoring (because that is what it is )  isn't fair, not to the poster or the reader, there are none of us here who have "the one answer" and each of us are different in illness and treatment; what works for one may or may not for another. Why not allow those who have experience say their experience or question "the typcial mantra"? To not allow it is simply wrong.
 
To add insult to injury once the poster is frustrated and their posts keep getting deleted they are "labeled" too and they are told to go somewhere else. Simply because they had a question or a different perspective.
 
Like I shared with you previously, I do moderate another forum and I have never deleted members posts the way they are done here.I have tried to contribute positively on this forum, but we know my posts were deleted too. I, like others that have been turned off, actually do have alot to contribute that can make a difference for others. I am very compassionate, but I am also honest too.

Deejavu
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry OneWearyChick,
 
Censoring is fair when a member brings up a topic yet doesn't listen to the facts and evidence that was posted.   And when that member keeps bashing and bashing and putting down others.
 
That's when it's time to delete all the negativity. 
 
Again, this is a support forum to help others, not bash and insult others.  Just my humble opinion.
 
There are rules in this forum and those rules are meant to be followed.  If a member doesn't want to follow the forum rules, then action must be taken.
 
Denise


It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:50 PM (GMT -7)   
OneWearyChic,

You are not labeled. I have a big heart and I never mean to hurt anyone on here. If the post was deleted, it was because it broke the rules. I don't single anyone out on here. I've let things slide on here that shouldn't even be on here because everyone wants to say what they have to say, then the owner comes in and closes the thread. I have to do what is required of me and again, it is nothing personal. Some forums allow this to happen. The forum you Moderate may allow things that we don't allow here.


Pattie- Thanks:)
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motox1027
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -7)   
CajunGrl


I think you are a great moderator too

I only got upset, because I really dont think you clearly read my posts, thats all.

+Lyme
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   Posted 7/21/2010 6:59 PM (GMT -7)   
CajunGrl, Please do not quit because of this!! I am not here all the time and don't know all that has gone on, but I will still support you and your decisions. IF, in fact, there are members who state your are censoring, rather than deleting posts that break the rules, then I will will stick up for you. IN my opinion you have gone far and beyond your duties. That you are here all the time says a lot. That you care and try so hard to help everyone says even more.

I agree that bashing and insulting do not belong here.  (as well as writing as if others are idiots)

If any of you have participated in other blogs (not related to health, necessarily), you will see that there's HUGE wastes of people's time and energy in slinging insults and behaving inappropriately. I appreciate the fact that healingwell is not like many other blogs which are downright ridiculous.

Please keep helping us as much as you can, OK CG??!


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CajunGrl
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:00 PM (GMT -7)   
motox,

I aprreciate that. It's very hard making a decision especially when I am dealing with pain, sickness and barely being able to walk most days. I really try my best to be fair. I really didn't mean to offend or hurt anyone here.
Lyme disease, Fibromyalgia, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Adrenal Fatigue, Rheumatoid Arthritis(Just diagnosed)
Prescription Meds: Savella, Tramadol, Hydrocortisone, Plaquenil
Supplements: Thyro-complex, Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Folic Acid, Fish Oil, Vitamin C, Probiotics, GI Repair, Vitamin D 50,000IU and Joint Supplement

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motox1027
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Maybe people just take it different ways.

Like even comments that others made to me on the thread, they didnt upset me at all, its just a forum online, I dont take things like that. But I guess others would find them harsh. I just figured If you dont like the thread, dont read it, you know what I mean? I thought it was a good discussion.

But maybe others dont and thats ok.

CajunGrl is an excellent moderator. but like any moderator its not an easy job I guess.

I know what its like to be sick, trust me, I do

OneWearyChick
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:18 PM (GMT -7)   
 Sorry OneWearyChick,
 
Censoring is fair when a member brings up a topic yet doesn't listen to the facts and evidence that was posted.   And when that member keeps bashing and bashing and putting down others.
 
That's when it's time to delete all the negativity. 
 
Again, this is a support forum to help others, not bash and insult others.  Just my humble opinion.
 
There are rules in this forum and those rules are meant to be followed.  If a member doesn't want to follow the forum rules, then action must be taken.
 
Denise
 
 
 
Denise, I'm not sure if you are talking about the recent incident (the labs post) or another. No one wants to bash anyone or put someone here down, it is just that there should be a more open allowance of information. Personally, I disagree about the censorship, just because you or I may not agree with what Motox's or another's theories or questions  doesn't mean we should "censor" , does it? Where is the honesty in that?  What you may deem as negativity others may see differently and to those people by sharing what they know is meant to be supportive, not meant as bashing or "going against the grain".
 
You are right, we should be supportive, but we should also be open and honest in the hopes of helping fellow members not shutting them down or turning them down because they don't share the same beliefs, right?
 
 

OneWearyChick
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:23 PM (GMT -7)   
OneWearyChic,

You are not labeled. I have a big heart and I never mean to hurt anyone on here. If the post was deleted, it was because it broke the rules. I don't single anyone out on here. I've let things slide on here that shouldn't even be on here because everyone wants to say what they have to say, then the owner comes in and closes the thread. I have to do what is required of me and again, it is nothing personal. Some forums allow this to happen. The forum you Moderate may allow things that we don't allow here.

 

Yes, we are much free-er.




motox1027
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   Posted 7/21/2010 7:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Denise "Censoring is fair when a member brings up a topic yet doesn't listen to the facts and evidence that was posted. And when that member keeps bashing and bashing and putting down others."

Denise, please just lets stop this, I already agreed to stop with that post.

Look, you are bashing right there. And there are no facts and evidence, that was the whole point of the thread if you read it.

The sad thing about this is....... The people who posted on that thread.... Not one of the orginal people in the thread had an issue with anyone. It was other nubbing in, which is fine, but realize that no one said anything to you guys. And did anyone from that thread complain that they were being bashed on? no...... The people that were complain about being bashed on were people who didnt even post to the subject, they just posted because they disagreed with it.


Also Denise

CajunGrl can say whatever she wants, shes the moderator, its her job, so I am not reffering to her.


See, even OneWearyChick is agreeing with me.

If you dont like a post, just ignore it and read another. Now if a post is directed to you, that is different situation and apporpoate action should be taken.

Does this make sense.

Also OneWearyChick is right in a way "You are right, we should be supportive, but we should also be open and honest in the hopes of helping fellow members not shutting them down or turning them down because they don't share the same beliefs, right? "

Thats how I felt....

Just because you guys didnt like what I had to say.... its like you tried to shut me and others down.. But look at all the posts about how good Lyme labs are...... They are not getting shut down

end, thanks for hearing me

nasalady
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   Posted 7/21/2010 8:14 PM (GMT -7)   
CajunGrl, you are one of the best moderators on HW.....I know because, with all of my various diseases, I have probably posted in at least 2/3 of the forums here, trust me on this one!!! smilewinkgrin

Please don't quit, we REALLY need you here! I second everything that +Lyme said!

JoAnn
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Willowrose
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   Posted 7/22/2010 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey CG, I'm always happy to see you on here and I support you as a fellow Lyme sufferer and in your role as forum moderator. You know what the forum boundaries are and you are entrusted to use your judgment to ensure they are respected.

I am glad to know there are other Lyme forums that have broader (or maybe no) boundaries for the members. People should have a place to go to discuss things to the extreme that they need. I'm also glad that this forum is as it is because I also think it is important for people to have a place where they know they can participate in a peaceful, uncontentious environment. The culture here is supportive and positive. Thank you for all you do to keep it that way.

Rose
I have Lyme; it doesn't have me.


needshelp
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   Posted 7/22/2010 2:07 AM (GMT -7)   
CG,

I really appreciate the work you do with the forum. At one point, I accidentally broke one of the rules. You politely informed me of my error and removed the part of my post the was ill-advised, but also gave some helpful suggestions as did other members of the forum. I'm sure it is a huge challenge moderating this forum especially during times when you are struggling with your illnesses. I get on the board frequently but only post once in awhile. However, I find this forum very helpful for numerous reasons especially when I am struggling in part because it reminds me that I'm not the only one suffering. I really hope you continue to moderate the forum as it truely provides a great resource for the Lyme community. If it weren't for the help from fellow Lymies I'm not sure I where I would be..... In some regards, Lyme brings out the best in people. One person helping another, something that is lacking in todays society. I can't express my appreciation enough to members of this forum for their input, stories, and encouragement.

Deejavu
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   Posted 7/22/2010 4:58 AM (GMT -7)   
OneWearyChick said...
 Sorry OneWearyChick,
 
Censoring is fair when a member brings up a topic yet doesn't listen to the facts and evidence that was posted.   And when that member keeps bashing and bashing and putting down others.
 
That's when it's time to delete all the negativity. 
 
Again, this is a support forum to help others, not bash and insult others.  Just my humble opinion.
 
There are rules in this forum and those rules are meant to be followed.  If a member doesn't want to follow the forum rules, then action must be taken.
 
Denise
 
 
 
Denise, I'm not sure if you are talking about the recent incident (the labs post) or another. No one wants to bash anyone or put someone here down, it is just that there should be a more open allowance of information. Personally, I disagree about the censorship, just because you or I may not agree with what Motox's or another's theories or questions  doesn't mean we should "censor" , does it? Where is the honesty in that?  What you may deem as negativity others may see differently and to those people by sharing what they know is meant to be supportive, not meant as bashing or "going against the grain".
 
You are right, we should be supportive, but we should also be open and honest in the hopes of helping fellow members not shutting them down or turning them down because they don't share the same beliefs, right?
 
 Hi OneWearyChick,
 
I just posted this on another thread as there is a huge difference between people expressing their opinions and views and Facts.
 
The problem I see is that people are not looking at the facts which is:
 
Fact:
 
IgeneX does 3 things that enable them to get better tests.
 
1.  They used Human specimens from early, middle and late stage lyme to make their probes.
 
2.  They used specimens from 3 different locations to get a good sampling of all lyme strains.
 
3.  They use a stronger solution to separate the bands so they get better results.
 
IgeneX has been under so much scrutiny by the FDA, state of California, and state of New York and they passed all the audits. They are a good lab trying to help people.
 
Fact:
 
When Quest, Labcorp, etc. make their lyme probes they used Rabbit antigens from 2 strains of Lyme compared to IgeneX who uses samples from Human lyme patients from all over the United States and Europe and from patients who had early, middle and late stage lyme.
 
Also, when a western blot is done there is an acidic gel that is used to separate out the bands. Most labs use a 10% gel. IgeneX uses a 12.5% gel so they get better separation of the bands.
 
More information:
 
 
Thus this is not about opinions, this is about why IgeneX is more accurate in their testing.   Why do people have a problem with this?   This is what I don't understand. 
 
When I was given the choice to have my blood sent to IgeneX by my doctor back in 2000, I said yes.  I'm happy I did because I didn't want Rabbit antigens being used.
 
Thus, I feel there is a difference between opinions and facts.  I would rather have the facts, but that's me.
 
Denise


It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Detoxing Daily!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA


OneWearyChick
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   Posted 7/22/2010 5:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Denise, I get your point. However, motox should be entitled to his'/her's - as anyone should. I am not getting into the lab issue, but I will say there was validity in his original post/question and there is in your response. Just because someone doesn't agree, they shouldn't be attacked. There is no black and white with lyme, contrary to what is presented to us. Sometimes what challenges us to think, is what heals us, right?
 
Lets just take you for example if that is okay. By the "factual" way things are you should have healed using antibiotics, but you didn't, you went an alternative route (totally against the grain) and are now in remission for four years now? Correct?
 
The point is people need to or should question, they need to look at, consider and know many different things, not just what one 'source' says and determine their own decisions. If it is your perogative to " feel there is a difference between opinions and facts.  I would rather have the facts, but that's me" then Motox or anyone else should have the same allowance. What is a fact or opinion to you may be something else to someone else. Healthy, learning discussions can be had without censorship. When that isn't allowed it is called dictatorship, isn't it? And that isn't what this forum was set up to be.
 

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   Posted 7/22/2010 7:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Cajun Girl,
 
You have done a wonderful job here.  I well remember the discussion to close this board due to overly political posts, arguing and rule breaking.  You got this forum back on track as a place of support.  That seems to be what has been lost here.  This is not a place to argue treatments or which lab is better.  It is a place where people experiencing similiar issues support one another.  That it!!
 
This is considered a private board.  That means there are rules to be applied.  The focus of this board is support.  It is not to dissect treatments, labs, doctors, politics or anything else.  If someone can't be supportive then indeed, they need to find another board to post to. 
 
CG, you have done just that.  You have helped this to be a place of support.  I have seen so many here get support.  That is so important!!  I have watched you fight your disease, add a disease to your plate, deal with the death of a loved one and still you find time to be here for others.  You are an angel!!!  Moderating this board can really take it out of you.  You have people challenging your decisions and worse!!  Please don't take anything here personally except the positive!!  You are very loved!  Please always remember that whatever your decision will be. 
Gretchen  ~  diagnosed with MS July 2006
 
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3whiteroses
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   Posted 7/22/2010 9:04 AM (GMT -7)   
I like coming hear and I appreciate all that you do.

I think that we should all respect each other regardless...take what you want and leave behind what you don't want. Ultimately we are responsible for our selves.

The forum is so we can talk to others who are suffering the same...we should all understand each other and show each other respect.

vicparis
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   Posted 7/22/2010 10:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Cajun Girl, Please don't quit. I agree with you in having people follow the rules. If they don't want to comply, they can go to another board. You do a great job. I know you've been very sick and it must be hard to be an administrator. I haven't seen any posts that you've shut down that I didn't agree with. We're here to support each other and learn from one another - not bash and argue.
 
Hang in there - you're doing a fantastic job. I'm here to support you 100%.
 
Victoria

stutterbug
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   Posted 7/22/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -7)   
I think there has been a HUGE misunderstanding. Conversation/discussion on the validity of a test is something that we should have. Disagreement is certainly not bashing. Just because a person doesnt accept "facts", because there is no research supporting those "facts", does not mean they are "bashing", argumentative, or aggressive. The only aggression I heard was people telling Motox to "educate himself" or get the "facts and research". The problem is that there is NO research or anywhere for him to get unbiaseldy "educated", which was the point. Now THESE are facts.-- When we delete opposing opions, we turn into those "cult Lyme " groups that we are accused of being. There is disagreement within the Lyme community and that is o.k. Motox had a genuine concern for himself and many just viewed it as a discussion.

CG, you do a great job and of course no one wants to see you leave.

motox1027
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   Posted 7/22/2010 10:38 AM (GMT -7)   
"Fact:
 
When Quest, Labcorp, etc. make their lyme probes they used Rabbit antigens from 2 strains of Lyme compared to IgeneX who uses samples from Human lyme patients from all over the United States and Europe and from patients who had early, middle and late stage lyme.
 
Also, when a western blot is done there is an acidic gel that is used to separate out the bands. Most labs use a 10% gel. IgeneX uses a 12.5% gel so they get better separation of the bands.:
 
 
 this is what I mean... Someone reads this from a site that supports Igenex. But you know nothing about lab testing.
 
The gel is 10% for a reason, you cant just read this and think that it sounds good. I bet no one even knows anything about how they really do these lab tests. Well I do, and Im telling you.................
 
And the rabbit to human thing is not that easy either. There is a reason for it.
 

motox1027
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   Posted 7/22/2010 10:45 AM (GMT -7)   
One more thing. This is just an opinion, I am trying to open peoples eyes.

The link Denise posted above. It was written by some radom person. In the link it says

"Quest testing leaves out the 2 most specific bands: #31 & #34. These bands are SO SPECIFIC to Lyme, the first human Lyme vaccine was made from #31, and the 2nd from #34!! These very important bands are NOT REPORTED in standard commercial Lyme tests"

The above is someone just saying this.

Well here is a fact about 31 and 34.
_______________________________________________________________

The presence of antibody vs p31(OspA)is of no diagnostic value for Lyme disease and should not be used as such.

It is true that OspA 31 and 34 is found in abundance on Borrelia grown on laboratory media or in the midgut of infected ticks. However, its expression is down-regulated in mammalian hosts (humans) so that very little -- if any -- is produced after infection. Hence, during active infection, antibody vs other Borrelia cell surface antigens are much more likely to be produced in abundance and thus would be of greater diagnostic value. Most microbiologist/immunologist would be skeptical of the detection of antibodies vs p31 in the absence of antibodies against the more abundant cell surface antigens expressed by Borrelia, especially late after infection.

The issue is not whether p31 is specific for Borrelia or not. It is indeed found on Borrelia grown on artificial laboratory media and on Borrelia when found in the midgut of ticks. However, it is not indicative of human infection since it is down-regulated or not expressed in humans. That is why the CDC does not use it as part of its diagnostic criteria for Lyme disease.

Traveler
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   Posted 7/22/2010 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
CG,
I know that you are doing one heck of a job here!!!
It seems to me that we, as 'Lymmies', face enough argumentative, negative and down right nasty people in our road to recovery. Often enough, I don't agree with others that post here on HW, & have even 'popped off' with something I shouldn't have - but I don't have to keep trying to make others see things my way.

We are very individual creatures, why is it so hard to understand that other's see things in a different light? It's not like we are all infected with the exact same strain of any one of the possible combos of tick born illnesses. We also vary greatly with the other conditions that we must live with.

I don't read the Lyme Labs thread - I sure don't need the extra aggravation in my life.

I guess I just don't understand why we can't play nicely with others...
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!! May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
Trav


motox1027
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   Posted 7/22/2010 11:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Traveler

I agree witth your post.

Dont read the Lyme Lab threads if you dont want to, its simple as you stated. Or just ignore it.

However, there are way more many people who have clearly expressed they Want to talk about the Lyme tests, so there is no need to post on a thread like this.

And on the other side, there are people like me who dont want to read about people being sick and how bad there day was, as it makes my symptons even worse, I dont want to think about it I dont think its healthy too.

But I dont post on those threads, I dont even read them.

So thats what anyone who does not like them should so also.

This is a very fair and reasonable statement.
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