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PacificNW
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   Posted 8/6/2010 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I took my son to the Hansa Center in June. We had a great experience and the staff was absolutely wonderful.  We met several people from all over that were also being treated for lyme the same 2 weeks as my son.  3 ladies and 2 boys.
 
It has been almost 2 months now and my son has shown no improvement.  I keep in contact with the other 4 people and they have not shown improvement yet.  My son and the others still on the protocol and are all hoping to feel better soon, as Dr. J says, some take longer to get better, after all you didn't get this way overnight.  He says that if you get 1% better everyday from treatment then in a 100 days you should be better.  So, my boy has been counting the days down on his calendar...
 
My son has been sick for 3 years and is the most positive little boy ever! He believes that he will be all better Oct 5th...
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 

addsmom
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   Posted 8/6/2010 5:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for sharing this PacificNW. I pray your son will get some relief soon. That's discouraging about the Hansa center as I am contemplating going there. Any more advice would be helpful...was there any improvement at all during the 2 week stay at the center? Is there anyone else besides Gary and his wife, Denise and Heathersdad who has seen improvement? They have very encouraging stories but I would love to hear more and was wondering if you were aware of any I may have missed. Just trying to look for other testimonials to help with my decision. Thanks!

Addsmom

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   Posted 8/6/2010 5:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi PacificNW,
 
From what I know from the people that went to the Hansa Center (and some are not members here) it does take time.   Going for 2 weeks is really a "jump start" if you know what I mean.  Your boy has been sick for 3 years and as long as you are following all Dr. J's instructions (detox baths, foot baths, the botanicals, etc.) then just give it time.
 
Also, I don't know your personal situation as if there is stress in your family that could be an obstacle in getting better.   Stress plays a huge role in this disease as well as any disease.
 
Hope your son feels better soon!
Denise
It's all about Detoxing Daily, strengthening the Immune System mixed with a dose of Positive Thinking!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being symptom free for over 4 years:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds81S61UvPA
 
Currently taking Estrovera, ProgX (progesterone), Adrenotone Plus, CoQ10, Vitamin B Total, C, Green Vibrance, CALM (Magnesium/Calcium)

PacificNW
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   Posted 8/6/2010 5:25 PM (GMT -7)   
addsmom,
 
I am finding that it takes the certain key to unlock what will work for each individual. 
 
I don't mean to be discouraging, but need to be truthful.  My sons adrenal glands are exausted due to lyme and possibly all the abx he took for 8 months.  At least, that is my thoughts.  He is on adrenal support that Dr. J has given him, but also requested an MRI of his adrenals.  Insurance wouldn't pay for an MRI, so he had an ultrasound on Tues.  I should have the results soon.
 
I know that both Dr. J's are wonderful and worked very hard to try and heal my son in the two weeks.  They were very discouraged (as was I) that he did not turn the corner, while at hansa center.
 
 I keep in contact with Gary and Rhonda and Heathersdad, all of which are doing quite well and are very helpful.
 
I also keep in contact with the others that were there during the time my son was.
 
We are going to be meeting Heather and her family this month for dinner.  They live on the east coast and we are on the west coast. Can't wait...

addsmom
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   Posted 8/6/2010 7:24 PM (GMT -7)   
PacificNW,

Thanks for writing back and for being truthful. I know that each treatment option is different for everyone and that's just the risk we have to take. I will decide after I get Dr. J's book. I just hate that I am only finding a handful of success stories. For something so expensive its hard to take that chance but it just might be worth it.
Thanks again!

PacificNW
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   Posted 8/6/2010 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
addsmom,
 
I completely understand where you are coming from.  I was willing to take the chance for my son too.  I did it and have no regrets.  We learned alot about the body and how important detox and many other things can be for him.  I know that my son can get better, but maybe just slower than some.
 
If you don't take the chance then you may never know.  The Hansa Center may be the key to fixing you and it may still be the key to fixing my son.
 
I read Dr. J's book before going to the Hansa Center, which makes alot of sense.  I think you will get alot out of the book.

Simela
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   Posted 8/7/2010 9:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I am ordering the book. I can't go right now anyway, but if I have had the money, I would give it a try. I think detoxing is very imp, and haven't done that. EVER! I am breastfeeding, so I can't do the detoxing, but I can't wait to try! Many people have said it helps a lot!

Pacific:

I hope you will keep us posted, we are all happy when someone improves! So sorry your son is not well! My son had the Swine flu last year (from school) and I thought he was going to die! Very scary! Also, my baby didn't pee when she was born for a whole day, and they discharged me and kept her. I thought I was loosing my mind! I waited in the waiting room and at least they let me breastfeed her and hold her for a while. Then she peed! What a relief that was! I prayed the whole night she'd pee, so that I could take her home! Such little things we take for granted until we realize they are so important! If you email me your son's name I will put him on my prayer list. I haven't done much of that lately, but I would like to do it for myself and people here. I have 4 people on it so far.

I hope he gets better soon. My son is starting school this year and he is so excited about it! I can't bear the thought of him being sick and spoil his life

GOOD LUCK!

Simela
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   Posted 8/7/2010 9:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Pacific:
How old is your son?

daisyrlb
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   Posted 8/8/2010 9:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I would have responded to your post before now, but the past two days have not been two of my better days, and I've not been on my computer much.

PacificNW, Thanks for sharing about your son. I join with others in praying for his improvement and specifically that there is significant, obvious, improvement by October 5, 2010. I look forward to you posting more.

Since starting my treatment with Dr. J the end of April, I have only had four days that I did not feel good. Yesterday and today were two of those days. I woke up drenched in sweat, tired, and dragged myself out of bed. My lower back hurt, had brain fog, air hunger, and felt nauseated. My hubby and I had a commitment that I really wanted to keep. After moving around, taking a shower, I felt some better and was able to keep that commitment. In the afternoon when we arrived back home I laid down and slept four hours.
 
This morning I was still tired, sweaty, had the back pain, and air hunger. The brain fog and nauseousness were gone. I decided to add an extra hydrogen peroxide/epsom salt bath to my regular routine. After the bath the back pain was gone and has not returned. (Dr. J has his patients skip remedies and supplements one day a week…for me it is Sunday, so I did not take any of them today.) After church we joined family for lunch at a restaurant. When we arrived home I took a three hour nap. Since waking up my symptoms are gone, with the exception of sweating and air hunger. Overall I feel good. Thank God I have energy again!

I was first infected in 2003, seven years ago. I have been on abx three different times and relapsed each time. I do not remember how many days I was sick when on abx…but I can say it was most every day.

Lyme Disease is insidious. While I do not believe we should fear it, we should have a VERY healthy respect for LD considering the dangerous ramifications of a disease that can imitate over 200 different illnesses. In reading the various Lyme forums--the posts from individuals who have been in treatment for ten, twenty, thirty or more years and not getting better, reading of others committing suicide (as only too recently we've read on HW)--I cannot emphasize enough the importance of pulling out all the stops to treat this disease.

Whatever route an individual chooses, or a parent chooses for his/her child, from my experience and observation--I wouldn't depend on popping just a pill or taking some supplements and think one is going to get better. LD is relentless. I agree with what Dr. J says in his book that it will take addressing the whole body (body, mind, and spirit) to reach optimum health.

PacificNW, you say that your son has been sick for three years. I am sure you will find this quote from Dr. J's book interesting, and I trust encouraging, just like it's been for me:

"Using natural methods to help facilitate the body's ability to bring down the population of the bacteria in Lyme Disease can many times be just part of the fight. You now must restore the integrity of every tissue of your body. This restoring of integrity is sometimes called restoring coherence. Coherence exists when every aspect of the body, mind, and spirit is able to communicate freely and adapt correctly to changes in the internal and external environment. This takes time.

A general rule of thumb in chronic illness is to expect three months of corrective lifestyle/treatments for every year you have had the problem. This doesn't mean that you won't feel better sooner. It simply means that feeling good and being healthy are two different things. When most people are initially diagnosed with cancer or heart disease, they say they have 'never felt better' and the doctor just found the problem in a routine examination. So, be patient with the body" (page 68, Section One: Understanding Lyme Disease).

Friends, healing is on the way…one day at a time. However, be sure and live life to the fullest minute by minute.

Blessings,
Rhonda

* "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. David A. Jernigan, "Living the Good Life in Spite of Lyme"

How to order the book www.hansacenter.com/books.php

Great interview w/Dr. J on Lyme Disease hansacenter.com/lyme-interview.html

GWB
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   Posted 8/8/2010 10:30 PM (GMT -7)   
PacificNW,

One more thing I'd like to add to what Rhonda said, well, maybe two (or three). :-) One is, I don't know how often your son is doing the detox bath, but if he isn't being faithful at doing this, and the dry skin brushing, he's missing out on a big part of his healing process. You can't take any shortcuts with this disease. It must be treated aggressively and consistently. If your son is skipping anything in the protocol, or taking short cuts, it will be a hindrance to his healing. I'm not suggesting he isn't following the instructions that were given to him upon his dismissal from the HC, but if he's not being faithful at detoxing, or taking his remedies and supplements, he's not going to get the full benefits of the protocol.

The book that you bought has all of the instructions in there for your son to follow, and if he's like most teenagers, he's not going to want to do some of the things that he doesn't particularly like to do, or that may be time consuming (such as detox baths and dry skin brushing), etc. I hate taking the time to brush my skin and sit in the tub for twenty minutes myself. I have no patience for it sometimes, but when I think of the wonderful advantages I get from it, I discipline myself and do it because I know I'm going to get positive benefits from it.

Another thing, if you haven't called the HC to talk to the doctors to keep them updated about your son's condition, there's no way for them to know he isn't getting better. I believe the doctor's could give you some very helpful information that will help your son to get better, but they can't help him if they don't have this same information you are posting on the forums here.

Finally, I realize that you are talking to three or four other people who claim to not be getting better on the protocol, this negativism from them isn't going to help your son. I'm sorry they aren't doing well, but you are better off talking to Denise, cindy lou hoo, daisyrlb, myself, and others who have had success with this protocol and get some positive ideas from them on what can be done to help your son get better. The people who you say haven't gotten better aren't going to give you any constructive advice that will help your son. I wonder if these people have called the HC and talked with the doctors about not feeling better since they left the HC?

When I left the HC, the following week I had four days where I felt like I did prior to going to the HC. I thought all of the progress I made went down the drain and that I was right back where I started. I called Dr. Jowdy and told him I felt like all of the improvement I made while I was at the HC had gone down the drain and I was right back at square one. He assured me that what I was experiencing was normal and that I needed to rest and continue to take the remedies and things would get better. He reminded me that I didn't get this disease overnight (I had it for 15 years) and it wasn't going to go away overnight. As Denise would often say to me, "you gotta be patient". That's been the hard part for me, but as I continue to get better I've become more patient because I know I'll have some days when I'm not going to do as well as I'd like, but I also know that this feeling doesn't last, and eventually I'll get to feeling better again within a day or two.

So, yes, being patient is an important part of the healing process. And, like I said, talking to people who haven't gotten better will not help you, nor will it help you son, because he takes his cues from you. Please encourage those who have not gotten better to email or phone the doctors and let them know how they are doing. The doctors will follow-up and make suggestions and make adjustments to the remedies if needed. If people aren't making improvements after they leave the HC, and don't call the doctor's back to communicate this to them, they really have no right to complain in my opinion.

I spent a lot of money at the HC to get better. When I got home and was feeling sick again there was no way I was going to let them off the hook without telling me what to do to get better. They gave me advice, changed up some of my remedies and after that I started to make improvements again. My advice to you is get on the phone and talk to Dr. Jowdy as often as you need to until he comes up with some solutions to help your son get better. But at the same time, make sure your son is following the protocol and doing what he was told to do upon his dismissal on the last day of his treatments. If he isn't doing what he's supposed to be doing, then this could very well be why he isn't making the kind of progress he needs to be making.

It's very late right now and I'm tired and need to go to bed. If you have any questions feel free to email me or post them here on the forum. Rhonda and I continue to pray for your son daily and I believe he still is going to get better. He's young, he's got a positive attitude, and there's no reason why he can't beat this disease. I sincerely believe he is going to get better. Give it some time, be patient and make sure he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing. Don't lose hope. That's the key to getting better, and as his mom, you can have a positive influence in his healing process.

God bless you and His grace and peace be with you and your precious son.

Gary

PacificNW
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   Posted 8/12/2010 12:23 PM (GMT -7)   
sorry I have not posted back sooner. summer keeps us busy!
 
Simela, My son just turned 13.
 
Gary and Rhonda,
 
Thank you for all your support as always.  We are continuing to keep in contact with Dr. J and giving him updates. My son is doing everything that Dr. J has asked him to do to a T.  For now we are waiting...
 
We did get the ultrasound back that dr. J requested.  It looked fine.  I am not sure how long my son will have adrenal insufficiency and low wbc, but we will cont. to work hard to do everything we can to heal him.
 
 

Simela
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   Posted 8/12/2010 1:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Such a shame, Pacific!

Don't give up hope! Keep encouraging him. I know it must be really hard, but I have read great things about kids recovering.

daisyrlb
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   Posted 8/13/2010 7:05 AM (GMT -7)   
PacificNW,
 
 I was doing this exercise recently and thought about your son.  This exercise stimulates the adrenals.  I learned this from one of the doctors at the Hansa Center. 

Maybe there is something on YouTube to show you, but I'll do my best to describe it.

"Massage" belly about 1 inch above your belly button and about 4 inches apart.

You can use one hand. So if you're right handed--separate your thumb and fingers like you're going to pick up something. Place your thumb to the right of the belly button (one inch up from belly button) and your four fingers to the left of the belly button so that your thumb and fingers are about 4 inches apart.

Massage (almost like you're tickling yourself) with your thumb on your right side and mostly the underside of the middle finger on the left side. Do this for about 30 seconds daily.

You can also do this using both hands. Put your fingers, palm side down, in the correct position (1 inch above belly button, 2 inches on either side of the belly button) and mostly using the underside of the middle fingers massage the area).

You don't have to push real hard. Don't push in a way that it hurts. Use a circular motion.

Perhaps your son would be willing to give it a try.
Continuing to pray,
Rhonda

GWB
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   Posted 8/13/2010 7:43 PM (GMT -7)   
PacificNW,

I've been reading a lot on lyme forums recently about people who are getting great results with rebounders (mini-trampolines), especially people who have adrenal gland exhaustion like your son does. This little thing has surprising benefits that I never knew about until recently. So many of us could get some great benefits from it, and the good thing is, it's small and you can do it in the comfort of your own home. Rhonda and I recently bought one and plan to use it to see how it helps us.


Here's what I've learned about rebounding in the little bit of research I've done on it:

HELPS FIGHT FATIGUE:
Rebounding tones the glandular system which increases the output of the thyroid gland. This helps to increase your energy levels..

STRENGTHENS THE HEART:
Rebounding strengthens your heart by increasing the G-force causing greater contraction. As these muscles work harder, they get stronger.

IMPROVES CIRCULATION:
Rebounding increases collateral circulation - this is the formation of new branch blood vessels which distributes blood to the heart.

REDUCES BLOOD PRESURE:
Rebounding boosts muscles tone to the middle arterial muscles which will act as a buffer during high stress periods. This also helps your blood pressure return to normal quicker after acute stress.

LOWERS CHOLESTEROL:
Rebounding has been proven to help lower cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

FIGHTS HEART DISEASE:
Rebounding decreases the incidence of cardiovascular disease.

BOOSTS RED BLOOD CELLS:
Rebounding helps increase red blood cell production. The red blood cells carry oxygen and nutrients to the tissues of your body, and also helps remove carbon dioxide in them.

CIRCULATES OXYGEN:
Rebounding circulates more oxygen to the tissues - an oxygen rich body is usually a disease free body, because where there is oxygen there cannot be disease.

AIDS MUSCLE PERFORMANCE:
Rebounding helps fluid move more easily within your body, this helps muscle performance, which lightens the load on your heart.

AIDS LYMPHATIC CIRCULATION:
Rebounding helps the Lymph fluids circulate throughout your entire body - which acts as your body's internal vacuum cleaner.
(I made this in bold since it relates to your son.)

STIMULATES METABOLISM:
Once you raise your metabolism you burn fat at a faster rate throughout the day, even while sleeping.

IMPROVES DIGESTION AND ELIMINATION PROCESS:
Rebounding has been proven effective in returning natural, regular bowel movements to chronically constipated individuals.

REDUCES OBESITY:
Rebounding decreases body fat, and improves body and muscle tone. It also helps your body burn carbohydrates at a faster rate.

EASES MENSTRUAL DISCOMFORT:
Rebounding eases menstrual fatigue, and discomfort.

AIDS IN MUSCLE TONE:
Rebounding tones and tightens your muscles.

PROVIDES MUSCLE PAIN RELIEF:
Rebounding provides relief from neck and back pain, from headaches and from other pains caused by the lack of use of the joints and muscles of your body.

MAINTAIN PEAK BRAIN FUNCTION AT ANY AGE:
Rebounding results in sharper mental performance, with better learning processes.

BRINGS ON BETTER SLEEP:
Even very light, gentle rebounding allows for better, and easier relaxation and sleep.

MINIMIZES THE NUMBER OF COLDS:
Rebounding helps keep the entire body in tune and minimizes your number of colds, allergies, digestive and abdominal problems.

STOPS PREMATURE AGING:
Rebounding can actually reverse, prevent, or diminish hardening of the arteries. This will help keep your mind alert, skin smooth, skeleton flexible, libido intact, kidneys functioning, blood circulating, liver detoxifying, enzyme systems alive, memory intact, and dramaticly slow down the aging process.

Here's an excellent article on the benefits of rebounders: curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=626673

This talks about the "Beneficial Effects of Rebounding on the Lymphatic System"

www.healingdaily.com/exercise/effects-of-rebounding-on-the-lymphatic-system.htm

PacificNW, what's so cool about this, is the fact that it's a mini-trampoline, so it would be something that would be fun for your son to do while getting tons of benefits from it. :-)

I'm looking forward to using ours soon and see if it really makes a difference.

Gary
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