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Simela
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   Posted 8/13/2010 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   
I found an webside with several protocols:
http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/Protocols.html

You can also find Dr. B's protocol here:
http://researchednutritionals.com/FactSheets/Burrascano's%20Advanced%20Topics%20in%20Lyme%20Disease%20_12_17_08.pdf


Did anyone tried these protocols?  What was successful/unsuccessful for you?

CajunGrl
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   Posted 8/13/2010 2:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I have some of these on the thread titled, "New To Lyme?....Start Here!". Some I don't have though so thanks for posting this. I will try to make this a sticky.
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Simela
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   Posted 8/13/2010 4:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks, CajunGrl. I think maybe a combo will also help some. The Orange Juice / Salt protocol is something I ran into before.  It sounded too simple, but the owners of the site (which was a free site, it didn't sell anything) were very happy with the results.   It is something I think won't hurt while talking abx, so I am thinking to add it on. ANYTHING to kill ALL these little ...!

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Willowrose
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   Posted 8/13/2010 5:43 PM (GMT -7)   
I've read about that before, but am concerned about the sugar content and number of carbs in orange juice. I am thinking that it could provide an environment conducive to yeast overgrowth, especially in people who are taking antibiotics. Does anyone have experience with this?

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Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 8/13/2010 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
I did the salt/vitamin C combo last year -not OJ, but ester C tablets. I passed what looked like some sort of parasites within a week, but I was concerned when my blood pressure went up. Plus I was retaining water because you need to drink so much.

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   Posted 8/13/2010 6:43 PM (GMT -7)   
I have really low blood presure, so that won't be a problem for me. How was your blood pressure before you started, Caldonia Sun?

Rose: I thing the C tablets will solve the carbs problem you are talking about?

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   Posted 8/15/2010 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Caldonia,
You said that you passed what looked like parasites within about a week.  Not trying to be gross, but would like to know what you meant? What did it look like? Was it in #1 or #2?
 
I'm asking, because I have read similar things and so am wondering if these are additional parasites given to us by ticks?
 
I was going to try a total cleanse this weekend (grapefruit & apple juice, epsom salt, and virgin olive oil) because my stomach is swollen and I tend towards constipation.  Too many things came up and I knew I would not be close to a bathroom.  Gotta go to work for 2 days, then a trip to see my parents.  So I'm just starting up something mild -- organic apple juice w/ a little olive oil --to see if I can at least get  more movement in there w/o totally clearing out.  I megadose C already.
 
If we were to pass parasites, I'd like to know what to look for.  Because if I saw anything, I would definitely call my LLMD!
 
Caldonia?  Anybody?
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   Posted 8/15/2010 1:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Simela - does vitamin C help with candida and other unfriendly bacterial overgrowth brought on by antibiotics? I know it's good for me; I have to use the buffered kind because of my delicate bladder.

Rose
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CajunGrl
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   Posted 8/15/2010 3:16 PM (GMT -7)   
The Salt/C protocol is Ascorbic Acid Vitamin C and Sea Salt. It can raise your blood pressure. I've heard that a few times so whoever does this, should be aware.

Lyme- Ascorbic Vitamin C can help move your bowels. So can Magnesium in the powder form.
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Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 8/15/2010 3:58 PM (GMT -7)   
My blood pressure was low to begin with. It went up, not terribly high, but higher than I was comfortable with.

The passing was in feces - looked like long stringy things - they might have been nematodes.

I used sea salt and ester C to protect my stomach.

I don't know about the safety of this if used too long. But there are folks out there who swear by it.

Simela
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   Posted 8/15/2010 4:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is the link where I first heard of this, and then searching for protocols, I ran into the link I posted on this tread. I must specify that I do not know who these people are, I searched : lyme disease cure
and this was one of the links that came up.

If one is interested in more information they can contact the owner of the site--here it is:
http://www.lymephotos.com/

If you scroll down, there are links to co-infections as well. What striked me as interesting is, salt does make sense in our diet. I remember a study saying, oh, you know, we were wrong before, salt does not hurt people without heart problems, it is actually good for them. BUT if you have heart problems, that's a whole different story.

He brings up salt and says that the lack of salt is what causes people to be sick. It makes sense to me: My grandma had big baulks of salt and let her animals lick it. THey needed and wanted it. I don't remember once that my granmather needed abx for her animals on the farm!

Simela
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   Posted 8/15/2010 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Simela - does vitamin C help with candida and other unfriendly bacterial overgrowth brought on by antibiotics? I know it's good for me; I have to use the buffered kind because of my delicate bladder.
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I don't know, Rose!
You can search vitamin C Candida in google and see what comes up. I have to go, baby is crying!

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   Posted 8/15/2010 5:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Animals are quite adept at finding the minerals & things that they need, but salt never once cured any animal that was in need of abx. If the owner of an animal keeps them in good health, providing all of the things the animals need for good health - one of which is access to a salt block- the animals won't need abx treatment. I have had animals of all kinds of types & sizes all though my life - even lived on a working farm.

Salt is needed in our diets as well. As was already pointed out, those with blood pressure issues need to be more careful, of course. I was actually measurably low in my blood sodium & my doc asked me (only the 2nd person he had asked, according to him!) to increase my salt intake - more than just slightly he said.

Now that I am in treatment for adrenal fatigue, those horribly strong salt cravings have finally slowed down for me.

Simela - Kefir will help stop the candida & other unfriendlies in the intestines.
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Simela
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   Posted 8/15/2010 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Trav, that answers Rose's question.

Here is a sublink to the link that I gave above:
http://www.lymephotos.com/bb/index.html


YOU MUST SEE THIS! IS IT POSSIBLE??? Click on the link above and read the text and look at the pics; share what you think!
Similar stuff in the links toward the bottom of the page, where the co-infections are listed.

Mamyou
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   Posted 8/15/2010 8:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Traveler, What are you doing to treat your adrenals? Have you noticed any difference since starting to treat them? How long after starting abx did you address the adrenals? Maybe I'm just getting too anxious to be over the detox from initial abx, but I feel there's something else I should be treating. The salt/vitamin C sounds interesting to me but haven't had a chance to think about it.

Simela, Are you feeling any better tonight?

I can't believe how much research the two of you are doing....keep going, I'm learning a lot.

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   Posted 8/15/2010 8:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is his explanation why salt works:

http://www.lymephotos.com/theory/index.html

"Our theory is that due to the decreased consumption of salt in our daily diets, we have allowed the invasion of parasites into our bodies and those of our pets and livestock. Over the centuries, man has traditionally consumed approximately 20 grams of salt daily. The only time, other than current day, that man’s consumption has drastically decreased was during the Medieval Ages, when the landlords deprived the poor of salt, and the Black Death ravaged the population. Salt is an ancient bactericide, and killer of many of man’s pathogens. For centuries, twenty grams of salt daily was the average intake due to the way meats were cured and foods were preserved. Man certainly lived a more outdoorsman’s lifestyle, yet there was no mysterious illness. Was it the presence of sodium chloride in his body that prevented Lyme from occurring? Lyme was first documented in the 1970’s. It is around the same time we were inundated with the “No Salt Diet” craze. For years Japan had no cases of Lyme disease, and only recently with the new low salt soy sauce have cases been documented. As far as our animals go, cows were always given large blocks of salt licks, which were pure sodium chloride. The old ways protected our livestock from many pathogens that are coming into focus in today’s society. Just recently, these blocks have become mineralized salt licks with minerals, medicines, and vitamins, that manufacturers claim is what our livestock need. They actually need the sodium chloride. This may explain the recent appearance of new illnesses such as Lyme, Mad Cow, and other parasitic illnesses among our livestock. They crave the sodium chloride. It is a natural instinct. Just the same way that a hunter knows that if he puts out a block of salt, the deer will come. Bear reportedly tear the bark off fallen trees to lick salt. There are salt caves in Africa that draw herds of elephants at night, and the mothers break off chucks of salt and fed it to their young. Maybe it is time we take a lesson from the animals. Eat more salt! "

I will continue the abx but I will give this a try when I am done. By the way, I DO NOT KNOW WHY I KEPT SAYING OJ IN THE BEGINING. I MEANT VITAMIN C. I thin Lime and Lemon would also be ok!
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