What do you think about NIGHT SHADE Vegetables???

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stutterbug
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   Posted 8/17/2010 1:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Do you guys think that Potatos cause inflammation??? I am going ton an anti inflammatory diet. It is my only option at this point to try and get my SED rate down. What other foods are bad/good???

stutterbug
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   Posted 8/17/2010 1:54 PM (GMT -7)   
what about meat??? Inflammation??

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/17/2010 2:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I quit eating nightshades a year ago after reading that they could contribute to inflammation. I have not seen an anti-inflammatory diet and I have not yet read the Lyme Disease Diet, but look forward to finding out what other foods could be problematic. Where did you find the anti-inflammatory diet?

Rose
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Mamyou
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   Posted 8/17/2010 2:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Has to do with pH. Anything that causes acid in the body can cause inflammation. Nightshades are mentioned a lot, which are potatoes, tomatoes, peppers and eggplant. Meat causes acid. Believe it or not, lemons are the opposite, as are most vegetables. White sugar and white flour products cause acid. I did study this once, probably have the book somewhere, but should be fairly common online if you type in the right words????? Reames testing is based on pH. I really enjoyed studying it but never did anything with it....then....FORGOT everything I read.

stutterbug
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   Posted 8/17/2010 2:52 PM (GMT -7)   
I just typed in anti inflammatory diet and read it, really. It says to eat straberries, blueberries, ginger, pineapple, tumeric, green leafy vegetables, etc. -- some sites say to stop eating meat and dairy, too. ---- One of the sites said that is hasnt been proven that night shade veges cause inflammation, but a lot of people follow it.-- so, maybe i should drop the meat. I think I will.

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/17/2010 3:40 PM (GMT -7)   
That's interesting. I hadn't heard of the connection between acid and inflammation, but it makes sense. If that's the case, then meat and dairy would be out because they are acid forming foods. However, I was just digging through my PhMiracle cookbooks and noticed recipes that contain tomatoes, potatoes, and peppers, so possibly, since apparently these are not acid-forming foods, there are other aspects besides acid that could cause an inflammation response to food. I haven't looked up the anti-inflammation diet yet. It will be interesting to see how it aligns with what we've come across already.

Rose
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Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 8/17/2010 3:47 PM (GMT -7)   
From my understanding, you need not eliminate all acid forming foods, such as meat, but limit them and consume more alkaline forming fruits and veggies. Meat has amino acids that our bodies need that no other protein source has. Eggplant is also in the nightshade family.

Willowrose
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   Posted 8/17/2010 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, if you're checking your pH you can figure out how much acid-forming food will work for you in the current situation. I tend to be very acidic; I think it is because I am full of toxins. Balancing acid-food consumption (meats and many grains primarily) with lots of alkaline forming foods is a key to how much you can eat. What do you think, Caldonia, about the sugar in fruits? I've understood from my reading and experience, that sugar is a food for pathogens and therefore fruits should be limited to lemons, limes, some low-sugar berries.

Rose
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   Posted 8/17/2010 5:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Please, please be careful if you chose to drop meat out of your diet! Hubby has a niece that just decided that she was tired of eating meat, so she just quit eating meat. She didn't supplement with anything, so her body was suddenly without the things that meat does supply our bodies with.
It didn't take her long to end up with a trip to the emergency room, as she had become malnourished!!

If you are going to drop meat out of your diet, please investigate how the Vegans do it to be sure you don't end up being malnourished!!
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP
Trav

Caldonia Sun
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   Posted 8/17/2010 5:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's a good acid/alkaline chart with a clear explanation of how to figure out what's good.

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html

Notice it says "To restore health, the diet should consist of 80% alkaline forming foods and 20% acid forming foods."

Gah! I need to try harder!!

GWB
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   Posted 8/17/2010 7:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I would think twice about eliminating meat. Dr. Ron, a naturopathic doctor who had lyme disease, used to be a strict vegetarian until he contracted lyme disease and started studying up on healing foods. His healing protocol was strictly diet and supplements. Some of it may seem a bit radical, such as raw meats and raw milk, butter, etc. But unless you live on the farm, and raise your own organic foods, you don't have to take it to this extreme. I follow it as much as possible, except I cannot get any raw milk or butter around here. We can get raw cheese which we eat quite frequently and 90 percent of our foods are organic.

Here's some excellent information www.drrons.com/diet-chronic-disease-and-optimal-health.htm on how Dr. Ron got better eating according to the Weston Price diet
www.westonaprice.org/ along with certain supplements, etc.

More good reading from Dr. Ron's website: www.drrons.com/recovering-from-vegetarianism-toc.htm

There are many more excellent articles on his website to check out, in fact, I'd encourage you to read his whole website--very interesting!

Also the Weston Price website is a great source of information related to the way we eat and how certain kinds of foods affect our bodies. It's total opposite of what we've been brainwashed to believed in this low fat, no carb diet culture fad that we've been fooled to believe in. Interesting, since the low fat, low carb diet has been introduced to American culture, guess what's happened since then? More heart disease, more cancer, more chronic illnesses, etc.

Gary

stutterbug
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   Posted 8/17/2010 9:18 PM (GMT -7)   
thank you all for the great information!

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   Posted 8/18/2010 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
From what I understand, nightshades can aggravate joint pain for some people who have Arthritis. But I've also read that this is not the case for everyone, so trial-and-error is really the only way to figure this out.
-Razzle
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Willowrose
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   Posted 8/18/2010 12:01 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been a vegetarian several times in my life and agree that it is important to follow a healthy diet designed for people who are not eating meat. Now I just limit it, and aim to get most of my animal protein from clean fish. I am excited about Razzle's post that maybe I can eat peppers again...will have to look into that. Has anyone read the recent book "The Lyme Disease Diet?"

Rose
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stutterbug
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   Posted 8/18/2010 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
I am dropping the nightshades for a week or 2 and see what happens. The meat is out too. I just want to see if I feel better. I really hope I do.

allieann
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   Posted 8/22/2010 7:39 PM (GMT -7)   
It was recommended to my son that he stay away from the nightshades when he was so sick with lyme disease. Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo writes that these nightshade vegetables contain dangerous lectins that can affect many people. Many of our family members are very susceptible to the lectins in regular wheat and when we eat very much of this food it causes severe back pain and arthritis. Potatoes also have the same effect. Meat also causes inflammation.

Lauralight
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   Posted 3/3/2011 11:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone for all of the good info. I as well am giving up nightshade immediately!

raw runner
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   Posted 3/5/2011 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
I avoid nightshades, as well as gluten and dairy(except for Kefir...gotta get those probiotics!) I am also a vegetarian/vegan.

I certianly respect ALL people's food choices, and would never suggest that a person eat one way or another...especially with this disease, it seems that everything is very individualized.

That being said...something I think people are confused about is the protien *piece*...What we NEED in our diets are amino acids. Amino acids are the 'buiding blocks' per se. Yes, you need to eat protien to get amino acids but your body has to get the aminos OUT of the protiens you ingest. If you choose to eat foods that have readily available aminos, your body has to work MUCH less to get the aminos we so desperately need.

Also, the RDA for protien that is decided by the gov't who runs the meat industry is FAR higher than what one actually needs to be healthy.

For me personally, I have tried to go back to an animal based protien source during my healing and I did NOT feel better. Not to mention the fact that unless you are eating certified, organic raised and fed animal products you are ingesting antibiotics/hormones/GMO in the feeds...Many here, mysef included, are already spending a crazy amts. of money on meds and supplements, it is hard to them spend another ton of money on food too...

Eating lots of leafy greens(preferably raw, but any way you get them is good) will give you a readily available supply of amino acids. And, it is cheaper than meat. Perhaps increasing ones greens consumption would be another way to 'suppement'...

I personally like to drink my greens :) I make smoothies with fruit, then throw in a big ol' handful of spinach, kale or swiss chard. There are days when I cannot eat, that I will drink these smoothies and still get nutrition to keep me going/take my pills/etc.

Just a friendly PSA :)
http://rawveganrunner.blogspot.com/
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