Amoxicillin vs Doxycycline

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tribalrules
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   Posted 8/23/2010 3:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks to the caring folks on here and the advice given to me I have seen a dr. (well two actually) to get antibiotics. The first dr. I saw didn't think I had lyme but gave me a weeks worth of doxycycline just to get me to leave. The dr. (free clinic) I saw today I don't think believed me either but at least he took my blood and sent it off to be tested for free. This dr. gave me a two weeks supply of amoxicillin. So will amoxicillin work as well as doxycycline? And does it matter if I am taking two weeks of one and one week of the other?

Mamyou
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   Posted 8/23/2010 5:38 PM (GMT -7)   
The folks in the know here will be able to tell you, but I am a firm believer the amoxicillin has to be combined with something. I am doing amoxicillin and cipro. One actually kills the bacteria and one keeps them from growing???? There are, of course, specific names for that, i.e. bacteriacide..and forget what the other one is....and I read it on one of the sites. I do know doxy is the drug the normal doctors use and say a couple rounds of that and you're cured. I say balderdash....find somebody who knows what's going on....and knows how to treat it. At least my doctor-in-training(!) brings his computer into the room and we look things up together....!!!

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   Posted 8/23/2010 6:05 PM (GMT -7)   
These are the best guidelines I know of and various abx are discussed.  Not sure if there is a later version?
 
 
Amox. is used to treat Lyme and is commonly used during pregnancy, for example, since it's minimal risk to the baby.
 
It's a little hard for us non-medical people to recommend specific doses and combos of abx.
 
The thing about Lyme - there are a ton of possible symptoms.  This is due to it being a spirochete - can literally bore its way into almost any body system - or combinations of systems.  Some of this may be due to strain variations. 
 
And that's why there can be misconceptions among health care providers that haven't actually treated and followed a number of Lyme cases.  I had one Dr. say it's all about joint pain.  So ... I said not necessarily.  Many here have joint pain.  But a lot of us have things other that joint pain - fatigue, malaise, cognitive difiiculties, anxiety and depression are mine, for example.
 
When your test results are in - be sure and get a copy of the results.  There are Lyme specific bands on the Western Blot.  Having even one of these bands can have clinical significance.  There's a whole mess with diagnostic criteria. but let's hold off on that til you have your results and can post them.
 
 
 
 
Rich
 
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"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
 
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)
 
 

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   Posted 8/23/2010 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Tribal,
 
All I want to say is this:
 
Middle of last summer I took 3500 mg of Amox for 60 days.  This LLMD did not expect for this to cure my Lyme in that time period. However, he did not accept insurance, and ordered tests and treatments not covered by my insurance.  Being a responsible Dr, he did not allow me to refill my script w/o seeing him, but I could not go back.
 
Well, I felt sick during that 60 day period when I was taking Amox. Wondered if this was a herx or if my body was not responding to the Abx.  Not immediately, but shortly after the abx was gone, I experienced a lot of relief of my worst symptoms.  Thought I might be 'cured', tho not 100%.
 
My new LLMD (Infectious Disease Dr) prescibed high doses of Augmentin, based on my reaction (positive) to Amox.  My understanding is that Augmentin is Amox + something that is less vulnerable to bacterial resistence, and/ or immunity.
 
That is about all I know except that I like Amox.  
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madrivergirl30
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   Posted 8/24/2010 1:10 AM (GMT -7)   
I, too, would refer you to the treatment guidelines - I believe they confirm what Mamyou stated, that ammoxicillin should be combined with something. My personal experience was that Augmentin (Amoxicillin with a "booster" is how my doctor described it - not sure what that means exactly, but you get the point!) was the ONLY antibiotic I made through the Herx reaction and was able to tolerate. I did have major improvement (went from not being able to walk without help and screaming all day and night in pain, to just being severely uncomfortable and basically housebound)...BUT, after about a year there was no more improvement and I sort of plateau'd. The second I tried another antibiotic, I was in the hospital with a Herx that was basically killing me, at a TINY dosage.

I tried Doxycycline twice and it was brutal. You just have to see what's going to work best for you and what dosage you can tolerate. I'm so sick of being sick that I would love to take the strongest, most powerful, biggest dose I could (LOL) just to get better and get over it, but I'm stuck with herbal remedies for now...

Good luck to you,

Rachel

tribalrules
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   Posted 8/24/2010 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the response you guys.  Hopefully what I am taking now helps. One doctor said that doxy was rough on the stomach so I thought taking the amoxicillin first was a good idea.

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   Posted 8/24/2010 8:56 AM (GMT -7)   
When taking any abx, first thing that we should do is to find out if you can take it with food. I have managed to 'save' my stomach because I would eat something before I would take any abx. Sometimes it does interfere with abx absorbence, but I haven't had any real stomach issues due to abx that way.
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
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tribalrules
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   Posted 8/24/2010 10:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Trav, and I will keep that in mind when I switch to the doxy. One thing I am very thankful now is all the antibiotics are free...yea for Kroger and Giant Eagle!:)

Traveler
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   Posted 8/24/2010 10:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hang in there Tribal!! So far you are doing well with learning all of this info & getting yourself on abx!
Even the mightiest oak tree was once a little nut who held it's ground!!!
May we all find peace along the journey to find healing.
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence" - Dr. Edwin Masters, great LLMD & researcher -RIP
Trav

Simela
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   Posted 8/24/2010 3:57 PM (GMT -7)   
"however i just stopped today, as told by my LLMD, because i have been having fatigue in my legs. ill be back on it when it passes."

JunkYardWilly
Are you sure this is caused by abx? I have had this for quite sometime, even before starting abx. It has not gone away, but it's been only 2 weeks since I started.

rosesinjanuary
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   Posted 8/24/2010 8:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Is it possible the abx caused a herx which increased the tiredness in your legs? I have had sooooooo much trouble with weak legs and I have gone off all abx for a couple of years. It could be a symptom that might improve with the abx after you ride the herx out, just a thought, hope it gets better!

OneWearyChick
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   Posted 8/25/2010 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Junk Yard
your leg weakness may be magnesium defiency. You could supplement @500 mg today, then tommorrow, etc, see if it helps - also soaking in an epsom salt bath may help.

Mamyou
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   Posted 8/25/2010 4:58 PM (GMT -7)   
OneWearyChick....Wow...are you kidding??? magnesium deficiency???? Never thought of that although I've been reading about magnesium more and more lately. I use it for leg/foot cramps but never thought of weakness. Something else to think about...thanks.

fluffylizard
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   Posted 8/26/2010 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I was told I had magnesium deficiency when I was in the hospital... Weird.

Anyway, I was on doxy for a few months, and it didn't seem to matter if I ate or not, the doxy (and anything else in my stomach) just came right back up. The moxy wasn't any better for my system. Same thing with cipro. My stomach's intolerance for abx, plus all my neuro symptoms, are why I'm switching to a picc line.
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