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mikazmat
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Posted 11/9/2010 2:15 AM (GMT -7)
Hi all, I was watching the news this morning (doom and gloom as usual) and an article came on about George Bush Jr's new book, in it he discusses him memoirs while in office as president. Mm interesting. Now I'm not trying to delve in to anything political but I have seen lately, via the internet, that Mr Bush suffered LD toward the end on the 90's and was successfully treated.....which obviously is good for him. But when asked about the treatment protocol that Mr Bush used, he and his Dr's used patient confidentiality to enable them to refuse the question. Mm even more interesting considering some time before the LD episode an operation he had was detailed to the smallest scalpal slice.

So anyway being over here (UK) I'll probably never get the chance to read the book but would be very interested to know if LD is mentioned in his memoirs and what the once most powerful man on the planet thought about the disease. I just wonder why his treatment information never made it to the public domain and, if he has suffered like the rest of us with LD, is he allowing us to sufferer when he had the power bring LD, and it's controversies forward for re-examination or even change the policies.

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Razzle
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Posted 11/9/2010 5:05 AM (GMT -7)
Bush tried to promote the CDC expanding their perspective on Lyme...see http://www.canlyme.com/bushlaw.html
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mikazmat
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Posted 11/9/2010 6:43 AM (GMT -7)
Thanks for that Razzle, he certainly did try to move the CDC in to re-evaluating their stance.....an interesting piece. Do you think the CDC welcomed or acted on the bill?
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Razzle
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Posted 11/10/2010 5:39 AM (GMT -7)
No, I do not think the CDC welcomed the bill, nor did they act on it. The AG of Connecticut actually sued to get the CDC to consider a broader set of information about Lyme, but they weedled out of it by "adjusting" the procedure they used to review their Lyme guidelines - in violation of the settlement agreement with the AG of CT. I don't know where this saga will go next...I certainly hope the CDC will be taken to task about it, but I haven't heard anything new about it in a while...

Take care,
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MoralAnimal
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Posted 11/10/2010 12:00 PM (GMT -7)
thats so interesting. I am working with my Rotaract club to host a viewing of "Under our Skin" in San Diego sometime this year. I introduced the subject to my club by talking about Pres. Bush having Lyme!
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mikazmat
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Posted 11/11/2010 8:00 AM (GMT -7)
Seems to me that the CDC have lots of power if they can manage to avoid a rite from the AG and mostly ignore a bill directly from the Pres. It doesn't sound too good for us Lymies though if they, the CDC, can esacpe any sort of recrimination after dodging both powerful legal challengers.

As we are the US's little lambs, our government follows the CDC's guidelines, so over here treatment is as equally as hard to come by as over your side of the pond. This is the reason for my interest. But I fear, due to the CDC's reluctance to involve any other agency/information and having the ability to "weedle" out of such powerful litigation, a change in their guidelines is a long way off.

I hope you are well.

Mik.
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Posted 11/11/2010 7:25 PM (GMT -7)
Exactly. The AG of CT opened the door for much-needed accountability in the guidelines process that many health related organizations (such as the IDSA, who basically supplies the CDC with much of their info about infectious diseases). I actually meant to say it was the IDSA that was taken to task by the AG of CT...Lyme brain has me in a foggy fog lately...

One source of info about this whole thing is a book called "Ending Denial - The Lyme Disease Epidemic: A Canadian Public Health Disaster" by Helke Ferrie - in this book is the full text of all the published documents relating to the case against the IDSA up to the time of the book's publishing...which was earlier this year. This book also contains the text of other research supporting the existance of chronic/persistant Lyme infection and other related research. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but am impressed with what I have read so far.

Take care,
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Posted 11/11/2010 10:05 PM (GMT -7)
I was never a G. Bush fan, but I am very interested in the fact that he had Lyme, because it seems he was always using the wrong word or mispronouncing it, or making statements that made no sense.  People have had real parties over that. So, looking back, I'm wondering if it is possible that he wasn't really that stupid, but that he had a 'Lyme brain.' ???
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MoralAnimal
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Posted 11/11/2010 11:17 PM (GMT -7)
that is crazy.... and makes so much sense if Bush really had "lyme brain".
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mikazmat
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Posted 11/12/2010 1:51 AM (GMT -7)
I'll look out for the book you mentioned and have a read at it, thanks for the info. Though it's good to know which one of the 2 it actually was that avoided all attempts to force a review of it's guidelines your Lyme brain was only telling you what we all know - both organizations have too much power, and they wield it like a sword over our health. Sure makes you wonder why they refuse to listen, it can not be in everyone's head.

+Lyme.....after finding out the Bush had LD I did a quick google and came across this short video on youtube. It shows Mr Bush initially as a very smart, quick talking guy (a typical polititcian) who used the correct words in the right and didn't stumble over them. Then it shoots forward 10 years, after his brush with LD, and shows him as the bumbler we all came to know....you can find it here....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z12lrlNsjgQ

Thanks Mik.
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Posted 11/13/2010 9:25 AM (GMT -7)
Oh my God, Mikazmat! This is incredible! And who in the H is this Dr Price who says there is only ONE thing this could be?? This makes me sick!

Seems like Bush did a few dyslexic (?) things, too.

Again, I am not a Bush fan, but a huge injustice has occurred here because of corruption. That our President never received a proper diagnosis or treatment while leading this country is an abomination. And it goes to prove that thousands MORE people, including those in positions of leadership and/or power are left misdiagnosed and treated. It's criminal!

NOw, Bush'll probably just eventually received a diagnosis of Alz and everyone will be happy....
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Posted 11/13/2010 7:00 PM (GMT -7)
I can tell you why they refuse to listen...it is because of the politics of money...the doctors on the IDSA guidelines panel are the same ones who consult for insurance companies (major conflict of interest), and also they have financial interest in vaccine development (another major conflict of interest). They gain financially as long as the testing is inaccurate (so the tests don't show a vaccinated person as positive for Lyme) and they help insurance companies reject coverage of treatment for persistant lyme disease. The movie Under Our Skin, the book I mentioned above, and the book "Cure Unknown" by Pamela Weintraub go into much more detail about the controversy over the existance of persistant Lyme infection (a.k.a. Chronic Lyme) and the IDSA Lyme Guidelines.

Cheers,
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rosesinjanuary
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Posted 11/14/2010 1:30 PM (GMT -7)
Has anybody read Bush's book? Does he explicitly say or insinuate he might not have been treated "properly" or that he questions the protocol? Thanks if nobody knows I will try to look it up at barnes and noble, when I get over there, It would explain some of his word twists and impulsive actions, its just shameful that the ins co's run this country. I am not too surprised, I met an old friend on fb now is a millionaire from ins and I asked him his opinion on LD, it was "a gimmick." to get drs rich and break ins co's/ go figure, I have an inate suspicious nature on ins, co's/
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mikazmat
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Posted 11/14/2010 3:35 PM (GMT -7)
Razzle - I've got the book by Pamela Weintraub and also I've watched "under Our Skin" (what a great documentary), I will also try to get the book Ending Denial. I haven't yet read Cure Unknown yet but I'm determined I will soon. Watching "U O S" have given me a deeper understanding of the controversies surrounding your ins co's, LD and its treatment but I can not help but suspect some other form of cover-up somewhere along the line. I read Lab 257 recently which caused me to research (internet) the Bio-warfare/Plum Island link. I know there's always conspiracy theories but to me this one just seems to make sense. What do you think? Are the powers that be being difficult because they created it or do I just read too much into it?

+Lyme - As far as I understand Bush did received a dx (how long after the tick bite I dunno) and his treatment was enough, according to his spokesmen, to "cure" him of LD. What really gets to me is that any other problem or illness he got was published in detail, warts and all. He caught LD and his aids and Dr's pulled out the patient confidentiality card when asked what treatment he received. Mm suspicious or what. As for Dr Price's Alz comments I don't know, he has obviously never had LD. That said Mr Bush's craziness may not be due LD, he may very well have something else - we'll probably eventually get to know what it is if it isn't LD.

As you say Rosesinjanuary I'm interested in if he even mentions LD in his memoirs and if he does what he say about it. Everything surrounding this disease is so secretive it's mind blowing, let me know what you discover about the book and what he says if you get to read it.

Thanks all. Mik.
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bablymers
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Posted 11/25/2010 1:17 AM (GMT -7)
Just my opinion here---- The US government will never freely talk about our tick borne "germs" because so many of the bacteria and viruses etc. have been used for bio-warfare testing/weapons. The infectious agents that were living free/wild are now existing as altered species genetically, making them harder to test for and changing their disease-causing abilities. We end up with the confusing, complicated mess we have now----difficult to diagnose, difficult to treat diseases. The gov. denied the illness called "Gulf War syndrome" until many people and scientists etc. forced the gov. to admit the truth. It will take a major effort to get them to admit the same about all the tick-borne illnesses. The gov. does not want to pay for the treatments any more than the insurance companies want to. They also don't want thousands of people protesting and demanding monetary help---especially when the whole world is about bankrupt.
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Posted 11/25/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -7)
Bablymers (and everyone else), this is too crazy! For one thing, the treatment and cure for Lyme at the onset is so relatively inexpensive, this is riduculous. From what I've read, we are bickering about the difference between 3 weeks and 6-8 weeks on relatively inexpensive abx. It makes NO sense that mainstream medicine insists that a couple of weeks is sufficient, when LLMDs are protesting that a few more weeks are needed. Considering what the penicillins and doxy cost, WHY NOT go ahead and and prescribe a few more weeks?

As for late stage lyme, the treatments, for many, tho not all, can STILL be relatively inexpensive. My first LLMD was considering a shot of penicilillin per week, long term. Of course, not everyone can tolerate penicillin, but the strong, weekly shots would by-pass the stomach for those who can't stomach the cillins.

I realize that much of the controversy has to do w/ IV abx, which are more expensive. But not every late stage Lyme sufferer needs this. And besides, it seems that IV abx would be less expensive than treatments for MS, Parkinsons', Fibro, Alzh, CFS, etc etc.

It's really really cruel and corrupt to deny the existence of this disease, when so many people could be helped, much more easliy than say, cancer, or the others I have named.

I do not understand it.

I have not read 'Lab 257' but understand the premiss. I do not like whacko conspiracy theories, but like mikazmat, I can't help but feel suspicious. I think we would be very naive to believe that our gov't is not, or has not participated in ANY 'germ warfare' experiments.

But to totally deny the existence of a bacteria (+ several others) that is clearly infecting so many people is an outrage and it makes no sense. That is to allow the GP (along w/ important people like presidents) and the entire country to be weak and vulnerable.

Just as with syphillis, you would think the government and the health departments would be happy to be doling out abx to anyone who can get a valid diagnosis.

Almost forgot to add:  the video that Mikazmat posted on Bush is very thought provoking. Everyone should watch it. 

And even tho I was not interested in politics at the time, I think it reveals how Bush was elected -- not everyone who voted for him was an idiot -- and it is pretty clear that something happened.  I'll wager a bunch that it is Lyme.  Just wondering like the rest of you if he ever did any of his own questioning and researching.

Post Edited (+Lyme) : 11/25/2010 7:06:29 PM (GMT-7)

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Caldonia Sun
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Posted 11/25/2010 9:24 PM (GMT -7)
I saw GB recently in an interview with Bill O'Reilly. He sounded much better than he did during his second term. More coherent, definitely. Maybe he was successfully treated.
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jsk123
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Posted 10/31/2015 3:16 PM (GMT -7)
I heard from someone in MY Lyme physician's office (in the Bay area) that ANOTHER well know, San Francisco Lyme physician was consulted on Bush's treatment. This info came from a very reliable person and I do not doubt that it is true. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? :)
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PeteZa
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Posted 10/31/2015 5:27 PM (GMT -7)
I am a firm believe that if you want to know why about anything, follow the money.

Just like we will not find a cure for cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lyme, ms, lupus ..... Imagine the amount of money Big Pharma and doctors will have to do without.
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gfields
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Posted 10/31/2015 8:16 PM (GMT -7)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/aug/13/bushandlymediseasewhatsth
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Simela1
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Posted 11/1/2015 3:01 AM (GMT -7)
As far as I know, Bush was treated by an Ilads dr. from PA. I won't mention names, but somehow I found out the name of the dr. and a picture of him and Bush along with an article. So, no, Bush was not treated for Lyme by a dr from the white house. My guess is that he wanted to keep it quiet. I even contacted that dr. when I was sick, but he was way too expensive and I went to another. Of course, he did not accept insurance. Why the secrecy? Will the whole health system collapse if the truth comes out?
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Deejavu
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Posted 11/1/2015 7:17 AM (GMT -7)
Hi all,

Are we talking about politics and conspiracy theories or are we talking about lyme disease (which is political by itself?)....

As far as Bush getting lyme, yes he contracted it and because it was caught early he was treated and cured. It's that simple. I'll leave out my personal feelings toward him as I believe that has nothing to do with this topic.

Denise
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