George Bush.......

Bush tried to promote the CDC expanding their perspective on Lyme...see http://www.canlyme.com/bushlaw.html

No, I do not think the CDC welcomed the bill, nor did they act on it. The AG of Connecticut actually sued to get the CDC to consider a broader set of information about Lyme, but they weedled out of it by "adjusting" the procedure they used to review their Lyme guidelines - in violation of the settlement agreement with the AG of CT. I don't know where this saga will go next...I certainly hope the CDC will be taken to task about it, but I haven't heard anything new about it in a while...

Take care,

Seems to me that the CDC have lots of power if they can manage to avoid a rite from the AG and mostly ignore a bill directly from the Pres. It doesn't sound too good for us Lymies though if they, the CDC, can esacpe any sort of recrimination after dodging both powerful legal challengers.

As we are the US's little lambs, our government follows the CDC's guidelines, so over here treatment is as equally as hard to come by as over your side of the pond. This is the reason for my interest. But I fear, due to the CDC's reluctance to involve any other agency/information and having the ability to "weedle" out of such powerful litigation, a change in their guidelines is a long way off.

I hope you are well.

Mik.

I was never a G. Bush fan, but I am very interested in the fact that he had Lyme, because it seems he was always using the wrong word or mispronouncing it, or making statements that made no sense.  People have had real parties over that. So, looking back, I'm wondering if it is possible that he wasn't really that stupid, but that he had a 'Lyme brain.' ???

I'll look out for the book you mentioned and have a read at it, thanks for the info. Though it's good to know which one of the 2 it actually was that avoided all attempts to force a review of it's guidelines your Lyme brain was only telling you what we all know - both organizations have too much power, and they wield it like a sword over our health. Sure makes you wonder why they refuse to listen, it can not be in everyone's head.

+Lyme.....after finding out the Bush had LD I did a quick google and came across this short video on youtube. It shows Mr Bush initially as a very smart, quick talking guy (a typical polititcian) who used the correct words in the right and didn't stumble over them. Then it shoots forward 10 years, after his brush with LD, and shows him as the bumbler we all came to know....you can find it here....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z12lrlNsjgQ

Thanks Mik.

I can tell you why they refuse to listen...it is because of the politics of money...the doctors on the IDSA guidelines panel are the same ones who consult for insurance companies (major conflict of interest), and also they have financial interest in vaccine development (another major conflict of interest). They gain financially as long as the testing is inaccurate (so the tests don't show a vaccinated person as positive for Lyme) and they help insurance companies reject coverage of treatment for persistant lyme disease. The movie Under Our Skin, the book I mentioned above, and the book "Cure Unknown" by Pamela Weintraub go into much more detail about the controversy over the existance of persistant Lyme infection (a.k.a. Chronic Lyme) and the IDSA Lyme Guidelines.

Cheers,

Razzle - I've got the book by Pamela Weintraub and also I've watched "under Our Skin" (what a great documentary), I will also try to get the book Ending Denial. I haven't yet read Cure Unknown yet but I'm determined I will soon. Watching "U O S" have given me a deeper understanding of the controversies surrounding your ins co's, LD and its treatment but I can not help but suspect some other form of cover-up somewhere along the line. I read Lab 257 recently which caused me to research (internet) the Bio-warfare/Plum Island link. I know there's always conspiracy theories but to me this one just seems to make sense. What do you think? Are the powers that be being difficult because they created it or do I just read too much into it?

+Lyme - As far as I understand Bush did received a dx (how long after the tick bite I dunno) and his treatment was enough, according to his spokesmen, to "cure" him of LD. What really gets to me is that any other problem or illness he got was published in detail, warts and all. He caught LD and his aids and Dr's pulled out the patient confidentiality card when asked what treatment he received. Mm suspicious or what. As for Dr Price's Alz comments I don't know, he has obviously never had LD. That said Mr Bush's craziness may not be due LD, he may very well have something else - we'll probably eventually get to know what it is if it isn't LD.

As you say Rosesinjanuary I'm interested in if he even mentions LD in his memoirs and if he does what he say about it. Everything surrounding this disease is so secretive it's mind blowing, let me know what you discover about the book and what he says if you get to read it.

Thanks all. Mik.

Bablymers (and everyone else), this is too crazy! For one thing, the treatment and cure for Lyme at the onset is so relatively inexpensive, this is riduculous. From what I've read, we are bickering about the difference between 3 weeks and 6-8 weeks on relatively inexpensive abx. It makes NO sense that mainstream medicine insists that a couple of weeks is sufficient, when LLMDs are protesting that a few more weeks are needed. Considering what the penicillins and doxy cost, WHY NOT go ahead and and prescribe a few more weeks?

As for late stage lyme, the treatments, for many, tho not all, can STILL be relatively inexpensive. My first LLMD was considering a shot of penicilillin per week, long term. Of course, not everyone can tolerate penicillin, but the strong, weekly shots would by-pass the stomach for those who can't stomach the cillins.

I realize that much of the controversy has to do w/ IV abx, which are more expensive. But not every late stage Lyme sufferer needs this. And besides, it seems that IV abx would be less expensive than treatments for MS, Parkinsons', Fibro, Alzh, CFS, etc etc.

It's really really cruel and corrupt to deny the existence of this disease, when so many people could be helped, much more easliy than say, cancer, or the others I have named.

I do not understand it.

I have not read 'Lab 257' but understand the premiss. I do not like whacko conspiracy theories, but like mikazmat, I can't help but feel suspicious. I think we would be very naive to believe that our gov't is not, or has not participated in ANY 'germ warfare' experiments.

But to totally deny the existence of a bacteria (+ several others) that is clearly infecting so many people is an outrage and it makes no sense. That is to allow the GP (along w/ important people like presidents) and the entire country to be weak and vulnerable.

Just as with syphillis, you would think the government and the health departments would be happy to be doling out abx to anyone who can get a valid diagnosis.

Almost forgot to add:  the video that Mikazmat posted on Bush is very thought provoking. Everyone should watch it. 

And even tho I was not interested in politics at the time, I think it reveals how Bush was elected -- not everyone who voted for him was an idiot -- and it is pretty clear that something happened.  I'll wager a bunch that it is Lyme.  Just wondering like the rest of you if he ever did any of his own questioning and researching.

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I heard from someone in MY Lyme physician's office (in the Bay area) that ANOTHER well know, San Francisco Lyme physician was consulted on Bush's treatment. This info came from a very reliable person and I do not doubt that it is true. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? :)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/aug/13/bushandlymediseasewhatsth

Hi all,

Are we talking about politics and conspiracy theories or are we talking about lyme disease (which is political by itself?)....

As far as Bush getting lyme, yes he contracted it and because it was caught early he was treated and cured. It's that simple. I'll leave out my personal feelings toward him as I believe that has nothing to do with this topic.

Denise