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LymeLight7
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   Posted 6/1/2013 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi I'd hate to be the one that sounds like they have an ax to grind, but I recently received treatment at Envita Medical Center in Scottsdale, AZ and figured I'd offer my experience with them to you all. I've heard rumors that Envita will stop at nothing to remove anything on the internet that paints them in a remotely negative light so hopefully this doesn't get taken down.

When I walked into their medical center I was not one of their more severe cases. My lyme had been active for less than a year at that point, and if anyone could've gotten better from their protocol it would've likely been me.

The main complaint I had heard about them was that they were extremely expensive and that isn't far off from the truth. I was skeptical to pour so much money into their facility but they had assured me that they were going to get me well and this was the last treatment I'd ever pay for. I inquired what their success rates were with lyme patients and they told me up to 90%. When I asked them to elaborate on what they consider a success they said that their patients will walk out in 8 weeks feeling healthy more than they feel lousy. Once again, I was skeptical but when you're desperate and when someone holds a carrot in front of your face like that its hard to turn it down.

I underwent their grueling treatment which centers around IV antibiotics that ended up being extended to 12 weeks. Their nursing staff is fantastic and their facility definitely is top-notch. A plus is that you're placed in a room with other lyme patients so you immediately have a support system to rely on.

But.. as everyone knows lyme is complicated and everyone's body is different. Envita does not really take that into account and essentially puts everyone into the same box. The young teenage girl who can't walk will get blasted with antibiotics from the onset because thats how their protocol is set up and their business is modeled on. I was one of the lucky ones, after vomiting nearly every day during IV treatments and going through absolute hell I walked out of the facility feeling 50%. No I did not hit remission, but I felt like it was only a matter of time until I made a full recovery. Nearly every other lyme patient was walking out of there in much worse shape than when they had walked in so I felt fortunate. I was sent home with an after-care protocol that centered on a rife machine and the Salt/Vit C plan. Note that every patient receives this same protocol and are sent away once their time is up regardless of the state their in.

As soon as I left the facility I went crashing back down. I did the protocol they had set forth for me, but after 3 months out of their facility and 6 months of treating with them I am in worse shape than when I walked in there. The sad part is that nearly all the patients I was in treatment with are in the exact same boat as I am. There are a couple who are doing much better, but they're the exception and not the rule. Their success rate is probably around 10-20%, not 90%.

I now have no funds left to pursue any other treatment. We feel that if I continued on IV ABX I would've eventually hit remission but they have you on a strict protocol that is meant to get you in and out so extending my IV ABX wasn't really an option with them. I have to sit around and hope the rife and salts will get the job done eventually. Its very easy to get caught up in facilities like this and I see many people on the internet asking around about Envita with no real answers. I figured Id provide you with my experience and hopefully it won't get taken down.

wellbeautifulspirit
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   Posted 6/2/2013 10:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I am not talking about that place or any, just the aspect, it is just soooo frustrating, this disease

there is no one way , cookie cutter way to treat us.

It is horrible. We have x amount of dollars and where to go

who to trust, it is all a gamble, it seems

I just wanted to say don't be hard on yourself,if u are

thanks for sharing, I wish u good health

(I flew out there, but was alone and too sick to care for myself
so I went back home, my decision, )

Dangling the carrot, I can relate to that, this disease, man, we have been put through the wringer...

It is such a shame that this affects us all differently, how do you know what to do for treatment....

how do you know where to put your hard earned last of it money?

scary...

journey continues, best wishes , I do hope u feel better soon!

opugirl
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   Posted 6/2/2013 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Any chance of a lawsuit? If you really feel like it is 10-15% walk out better than their statistics are more than deceiving.

LymeLight7
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   Posted 6/2/2013 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah but thats what they tell you those statistics when you meet with them, theres no paper trail for it.

They actually make you sign a forum before beginning treatment discussing how it is experimental and you can't prosecute them because you didn't get well.

Sadly I think any lawsuit is probably out of the question.

opugirl
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   Posted 6/2/2013 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
You wouldn't prosecute them based on your experience. You would prosecute them for false advertisement and false statistics.

There is a lawsuit currently against a law school in DE for that same reason. "statistics" showed that 95% of graduates were able to obtain employment within 1 year. Dozens of students have had difficulty finding a job and argue that they wouldn't have spent that money if they had known that statistic was a farce.

Regardless,

I am so sorry that you had to go through this experience. I hope you can find what works.

Heathersdad
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   Posted 6/2/2013 9:03 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeLight,

I applaud you for coming forth and sharing your experience for the benefit of others. That is one of the best things that you can do to assist those that are evaluating the possibility of going to a clinic.

I searched the entire Internet looking for information pertaining to the clinic that healed my daughter. I appreciated that there were both positive and negative patient posts. I was able to make an informed decision. Consequently I influenced 7 other people from my local area that I know as well as friends of friends to go there. Most of them were glad they went to that clinic. There was 1 that initially responded to treatment, but 2.5 years later is doing very poorly. She of course is bitter about that. I would probably feel the same way if I was in her shoes. Still, I would encourage her to post about her experience if she was inclined to do so.

The journey to healing begins with knowledge. Thanks again.

Don
We are older parents and Heather is our only child. She became so sick and debilitated that we thought that she was going to die, and everything looked so hopeless and bleak. However, God answered our prayers, and used the healing hands of Dr. J. at the Hansa Center to more than restore the health of our precious daughter. I have a moral obligation to help others that are likewise suffering!

LymeLight7
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   Posted 6/2/2013 10:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Don one of the patients I was in treatment with actually went to Hansa after Envita. I've heard mixed reviews on it, some people praise it and some speak negatively but I guess thats true of almost anything with this disease.

wellbeautifulspirit
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   Posted 6/3/2013 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
with my brain fog,cognitive issues I missed some of you wrote

lymeight

so yeah, all the more to share,

so people with lyme with fierece cognitive issues can make the best decision, more info in deciding

thanks for shaing and others responding

silvamurr
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   Posted 9/7/2013 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
My post is in response to Envita Medical Center - I have personal experience of being cured of advanced breast cancer that spread in my body.  I was cured in January of 2010 and because I live in the area, have continued to do maintenance over the last few years.  So, I have met many, many people over the last few years with lyme and cancer.  The people who do the best at Envita are those that commit to a very strict diet and life style change.  The lyme patients, to me, seemed on the surface to be in worse shape that us cancer patients.  The lyme patients seemed to have suffered so much more in terms of loosing jobs, relationships, support of family and friends.  The cancer patients have the support of their family, friends and community that the lyme patients don't have in many cases because people don't understand how much the lyme patients suffer.  If you have lyme or cancer, I would highly suggest treatment at Envita.  But, I would not suggest it if you put the whole responsibility on the treatment and don't bring discipline to the table.  You will be wasting your money if that commitment and discipline is not there.  Lyme is horrible.  I've met lyme patients that considered taking their life over the years as a  result of  suffering with lyme before they got to Envita.  It has to be one of the cruelest, misunderstood diseases. 

Traveler
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   Posted 9/9/2013 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
To Silvamur,
Since you have never experienced Lyme, I'm really confused as to why you are even here. Believe me, I sure wouldn't go to a cancer site and assume that I had any clue as to what they were dealing with.

We all need to hear the good, the bad and the ugly when it comes to our treatment. This is the only way we have to know where to spend our money. You see, we don't have the support system those with cancer have - or even the acceptance of our disease, much less what we go through.

While I appreciate your thoughts and acknowledgement that we are indeed quite ill, this poster in no way slandered the clinic nor any one who works there, so the post was allowed to stand as is. Ask anyone who has been here long enough to watch me protect doc's and clinics from bashing.

You see, there is no one way to treat these diseases. As a matter of fact, each person requires a very unique treatment because we don't have a set place to target our treatments, as the culprit in our case is throughout us, in every body system, every organ and every cell. Although I am symptom free, no one here could likely follow the exact same thing I did and have the same exact results because these diseases attack each of us differently.

So while we understand your desire to protect and defend somewhere that helped you, please don't assume that you understand not only what kind of treatments we need, but why we must stick together like we do, and share as much information as we can on our forums.
Lyme herbs used: "Chronic Tonic" from www.mistymeadows.org/wendydocs/Lyme Disease.pdf for 9 months

Bart herb - only Houttuynia for 6 months
tx ended 1-2013

Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV

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CeCe**
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   Posted 9/10/2013 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,

I am new to your group and also an Envita failure. I have read 'word for word' the same posts from 'Silvamur' on sitejabber. The person uses a different name, but the same reviews are there. Paid review? My daughter also noticed that negative reviews will 'disappear'. Hmmmmmm

My posts on sitejabber tell of my sad saga, not only did I become among the long list of failures at Envita (for Lyme), but we initially went there because my 31 yo daughter had a very rare form of soft tissue sarcoma. I think the doctors at least owed her the truth that her cancer was too far advanced, too complicated, already been treated conventionally, something. All of the above were probably true, but she hung on to the hope that their cancer program would work for her. It did not.

My daughter spent 3 weeks in treatment there and suffered greatly, but tried to endure the grueling treatments. Her red blood cell counts dropped way too low. She realized it, the clinic only checked rbc counts weekly, rather than daily, she needed a transfusion days and days before she finally received it.

Right there in the lobby of Envita, where we were being told to go to a local hospital (affiliated with Envita)and it would take at least 24 hours to get a transfusion, I looked at my son-in-law and said, "Take her to Mayo Clinic, now! They have her records they will transfuse her blood today!" And that's what he did. The fact that her RBC was so low for so long allowed infections to take hold, gram negative. She died about 2 months later, still having those infections.

To sum this up, I agree that this clinic is over priced and doesn't not have the 90% cure rate that they talk about and they know that.
I think the staff can be uncaring and the front office was more concerned about getting off at 3:00 then allowing a patient's full day of treatment.
One of the nursing staff got really close to my daughter during treatments, then for whatever reason dumped her flat without explanation. My daughter felt bonded to her and crushed when the nurse ignored her from then on out. Lack of professionalism.
And yes, you do sign away your rights to a suit when you go there.

If you still decide to go to Envita and have cancer, DEMAND that your RBC is taken daily. Hopefully after the fiasco with my daughter, they can now do that test on site and the results aren't a WEEK out.

Deejavu
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   Posted 9/10/2013 8:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I know nothing of Envita so I can not comment.  I only know one person who became well who is an old member named Martha's Vineyard who went to Envita but I don't know how she is doing now.   I remember when she went to Envita she told them she did NOT want any abx.  I believe she did some serious detoxing there.   That's all I can say about Envita.
 
Violets, I believe any event in life no matter what is connected to politics one way or another especially in today's world.  Seems to me that everything lately is connected to gov't...  The price of food, controlling food, i.e.:  GMO foods, the price of gas, you name it, it's there.   I could say lots more but this forum does not allow any talk about politics and rightfully so, this is a support and learning forum about lyme disease.
 
Denise
Well for 7 years without any symptoms ~ used Dr. Jernigan's protocol.

Our bodies are wise as they can heal themselves, all one has to do is nourish them properly. Thus it's about the Immune System mixed with Daily Detoxing, a dose of Positive Thinking, and Lowering Stress Levels.

I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! :-)

tommyboy
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   Posted 4/11/2014 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Great to see Blogs like this it really helps, I been struggling with Lyme disease for over 5 years and Have tried everything and been to many doctors and spent so much money with this horrible disease. I am currently an Envita patient and I can truly say they changed my life, i have not felt this good, really have never felt this good since I can’t remember when. I think it’s fair to share both positives and negatives. But compared to what I done before and where I been Envita saved my life. And other patients around me seem to be having really positive experiences. My recommendation is to each his own, blogs can be one sided and misleading and Envita really has taken great care of me.

opugirl
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   Posted 4/11/2014 4:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the info Tommy, glad to hear it worked out for you. :)

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October 2012 - My world gets rocked January 2013 - My world turns upside down
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LymePickle
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   Posted 4/11/2014 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi I just wanted to report that lots of what I have read and researched about the Envita center is that it's not really the best place to be treated for Lymes. I think the Spongealua center might have slightly better successful treatment rates, but even that place might only send you home feeling 80% better. I think the most successful treatments are those initiated by the patient, done by the patient, and are very long term. But perhaps some of these treatment facitlies can be helpful in giving the patient the upper hand in regaining their health. It will usually be upto the patient to continue this.

For me I think I will be using a detox like facility for sure towards the end of treatment to finally try and turn things around and clear out the toxins.
Caught Lyme, Bartonella, and Mycoplasma Pneumonia from a friends tear in an unlucky casual contact.
IND 31, IND 39, ++ for 41, and + for 58. Indicating an acute exposure.
Treating with Minocycline (month 1), then added in Banderol & Samento(month 2), then added in Rifampin(month 3), then switched the Rifampin to Septra(sulfa drug)/tinidazole (month 4).
Currently in my 5th month of illness

teragram
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   Posted 4/11/2014 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I just don't like the concept of clinics. When I saw Envita's website, I was immediately turned off. Just the fact that they charge a completely unrealistic amount of money was enough for me.

I think it's a much better idea to work with an individual doctor of your choice who can create a plan that is tailored to your needs.

Lyme, as with any other illness, doesn't belong in a box, and can't be treated the same way across the board. And then there are the coinfections, and everyone has different coinfections.

Clinics that charge too much, and make promises they can't deliver (along with slick advertising) are a red flag to me.

If you herxed so much that you were vomiting every day, I'd say their treatments bordered on being dangerous.

I was going to avoid Cowden when I saw his website, but then I did a lot of research, and realized that there was a scientific basis to his protocol. However, I used the protocol to my advantage, and tailored it to my needs. A lot of NDs use Cowden, but they don't use the entire protocol.

Then there is Buhner . . . his book explains in detail which treatment to use for which ailment. My guess is that most of those treatments work. And when you read a book like that, nobody's telling you what to do or not do. You can titrate up as gradually as you want.

But I think the best solution is an LLMD or LLND you trust.

That's my 2 cent's worth.

Margaret
HELLO!! :) :)

Margaret, 53, Lyme, relapsing remitting c. diff., complete thyroidectomy, remote breast cancer, Interstitial Cystitis, Babs, Bart, Fibromylagia, Immuneglobulin Deficiency, depression, asthma and allergies, migraines, myoclonous and remote seizures, orthostatic hypotension and dysautonomia

Medication, herbs, vitamins, probiotics, Cowden protocol for now; might change.

Lymebabe
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   Posted 4/11/2014 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
LymePickle I wholeheartedly disagree with what you say about patient initiated treatments. I am at Sponaugle right now. If it was not for them I would have never had a chance at getting better, I have some serious diagnoses that nobody else thought to check and I would have never even considered. I am posting about my experience on my blog. If Sponaugle cannot get me better then nobody can.
Tick 11/2011
First symptoms 9/2012
Incapacitated 8/2013
January 2014 Abx that have not been working, looking for something that will work
Colloidal Silver 2/14 seeing some improvement
Finally a diagnosis! LTT Elispot 2/17/14 Ehrlichia
2/24/14 MTHFR heterozygous for C667T and A1278C
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ToddPaul
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   Posted 4/11/2014 9:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Just read your blog. Very interesting. You have that bacteria that loves fat right? FL1953? I'll have to remember to follow your blog. I think you'll do great there. Sponaugle has an excellent reputation.

Lymebabe
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   Posted 4/12/2014 4:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks ToddPaul! Yes, I have that. I think I will do great too if I have enough money to finish. It is way more involved than I thought. Thanks for your support and reading what I write. I hope it will help people to make decisions about where to go with their treatment.
Tick 11/2011
First symptoms 9/2012
Incapacitated 8/2013
January 2014 Abx that have not been working, looking for something that will work
Colloidal Silver 2/14 seeing some improvement
Finally a diagnosis! LTT Elispot 2/17/14 Ehrlichia
2/24/14 MTHFR heterozygous for C667T and A1278C
Sponaugle Wellness
My blog about Lyme and my treatment:
harpgirlvslyme.blogspot.com

tommyboy
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   Posted 4/15/2014 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys, thanks for your encouragement. My treatment is really working for me. I’m doing well and I’m actually bringing in my daughter too. Any time you go out of pocket it will be expensive. Envita was honest about the costs and their treatment works. I have some experience in the insurance billing world. It’s difficult for doctors to take insurance because they might be breaking federal law such as billing for procedures that aren’t recognized. Things are going well. I looked into Sponaugle clinic and it wasn’t a good fit for me because it seemed more for pain management rather than treatment for the disease. I’ll keep you guys posted.

Lymebabe
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   Posted 4/16/2014 12:44 PM (GMT -6)   
tommyboy I am not sure what you are talking about as far as Sponaugle being a pain management clinic? Are you sure you have the right place? Sponaugle is most definitely treatment for Lyme. 95% people here have Lyme.
Tick 11/2011
First symptoms 9/2012
Incapacitated 8/2013
January 2014 Abx that have not been working, looking for something that will work
Colloidal Silver 2/14 seeing some improvement
Finally a diagnosis! LTT Elispot 2/17/14 Ehrlichia
2/24/14 MTHFR heterozygous for C667T and A1278C
Sponaugle Wellness
My blog about Lyme and my treatment:
harpgirlvslyme.blogspot.com

LymePickle
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   Posted 4/16/2014 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
How is the Sponagule clinic? I heard they basically treat you to the point where you have no biofilms left with all kinds of different IVs and toxins removed as much as possible and then they hit it hard with antibiotics?

To be honest that seems like a pretty smart way to approach this disease for sure.
Caught Lyme, Bartonella, and Mycoplasma Pneumonia from a friends tear in an unlucky casual contact.
IND 31, IND 39, ++ for 41, and + for 58. Indicating an acute exposure.
ABX: Minocycline 100mg 2x day, Tinidazole 500mg 2x day 5 days on 2 days off, Septra DS 1 pill 2x day, Plaquenil 200 mg 2x day.
Other anti-microbials: A-Bart, Houttuynia, Banderol, Samento, Japanese Knotweed.

Joans
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   Posted 4/16/2014 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone , so glad I found this place . I have been struggling with Lyme and the cocktail of co-infections that go along with it ,for almost 20 yrs now. I went to Century Wellness in Reno NV back in 2001 and felt so much better for years after . But many major life stressors etc.. have me back down worse than ever. I'm very ill again and I'm desperate for help . I just sold my house so I finally have the money to go to some sort of clinic but I am very confused about which one . I am leaning toward Sponaugle . From what I have read the approach there seems to make much more sense . I honestly don't think my body could handle very strong abx right off . I am already so fragile and sick . I feel the things they do to get your brain chemistry balanced is so very critical as well as the genetic testing and dealing with mold issues .
But I'm also wondering if anyone knows about the New Life Medical Clinic in Gilbert , Az ? It seems they are up on all the neurotransmitter therapy , mold etc... I have a place to stay in Az which would be helpful , but don't want to go there just because of that . This is my last chance to get help and I need to spend my time and money very wisely . Any insight would be much appreciated . I live near Dallas Tx , so if you know a great LLMD around here that would be great as well . Thx

Lymebabe
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   Posted 4/16/2014 8:42 PM (GMT -6)   
LymePickle it is all individual. I am writing about my experience on my blog. There are patients who leave in 5 weeks and then there are patients who have been here for 6 months nowhere near ready to even start thinking about leaving. It all depends how bad you are when you get here and how your body is reacting to the treatments, your labs, etc.
Tick 11/2011
First symptoms 9/2012
Incapacitated 8/2013
January 2014 Abx that have not been working, looking for something that will work
Colloidal Silver 2/14 seeing some improvement
Finally a diagnosis! LTT Elispot 2/17/14 Ehrlichia
2/24/14 MTHFR heterozygous for C667T and A1278C
Sponaugle Wellness
My blog about Lyme and my treatment:
harpgirlvslyme.blogspot.com

tommyboy
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   Posted 4/21/2014 4:42 PM (GMT -6)   

Are Lyme Pickle and Lyme Babe the same person? Just seems suspicious. Anyway, I wanted to say that Lyme disease is very complicated and you have to fight a lot of things like viral, fungal and parasitic as well as remove chemical/ environmental toxins and heavy metals. Envita sure has taught me a lot about Lyme disease and everyone here is in good spirits. So happy I came here! Treatment is really working!

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