Unsure how to treat my dog's Lyme

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teragram
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   Posted 12/30/2013 1:40 PM (GMT -7)   
She was doing really well on a product called SpiroNIL, and then I don't know if it's because I switched her to another brand or not, but she regressed. That's when she attacked my other dog. Now she's starting to lean her head against objects, which she used to do when was she first dxed with Lyme by vet, and last night she had a seizure.

I was so scared, both for her, for me (post dog bite, since I got between the two dogs when Sophie attacked my other dog), and for my other dog, Lilah.

Does anyone know what I should do, and also, have asked this before, but how do you detox a dog when she's herxing? Obviously, her herxes, are going to be dangerous.

I'm going to try to get my vet to prescribe Doxy again, but for awhile it went off the market for pets.

Thanks, Margaret
Margaret, 52, Low immune globulin, Lyme, c. diff., complete thyroidectomy, remote breast cancer, IC, Babesiosis, Bartonella, etc.

Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

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   Posted 12/30/2013 2:46 PM (GMT -7)   
So you got me started looking into this again! I did come across this site that has some rather interesting information. Be sure to take a look at the Homeopathy section.

I'd be curious as to what you think too!
www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/4_7/features/5371-1.html
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   Posted 12/30/2013 3:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi we had been treating our dogs with doxycycline. They can be given 100-200 mg a day depending on weight.

teragram
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   Posted 12/30/2013 3:14 PM (GMT -7)   
That's interesting; I was just looking at the Whole Dog Journal, but it was the section on Doxycycline.

BarnG, Doxy is fabulous for Lyme in dogs, but none of the vets in town is able to get it right now. Apparently there is an extreme shortage, due to "increased demand." Seeing as it's mostly used for Lyme, the fact that there's a shortage is sort of interesting. You can get it with a prescription, but since most dogs don't have insurance, it costs an arm and a leg.

I hope my vet. will be willing to give me the script for at least awhile, until I can figure out what else to do.

Margaret
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Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

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   Posted 12/30/2013 7:39 PM (GMT -7)   
My LLMD told me he has treated his dogs frequently. Also my mother's Primary care physician was supposedly buying vats of doxy to treat her dogs. I had heard from horse people, supply was expensive and limited. And Im wondering if this is due to the explosion of the disease in human population.

teragram
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   Posted 12/30/2013 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Exactly, that's what I'm thinking. Not only that, but an explosion of disease in not just humans, but dogs and cats. I REALLY hope my vet gives me a script for doxy for my dog. I'm alone so much of the time, the dogs are my family.

Margaret
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Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

BarnGurl
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   Posted 12/30/2013 7:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Margaret, I am keeping the dogs in a heated area of the garage. My family is undergoing treatment and Im afraid of the dogs bring any ticks into the house. I am also wondering is the disease has changed and is passing around person to person. In which case I think they would reserve the supply for humans rather than animals.

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   Posted 12/30/2013 7:59 PM (GMT -7)   
That has been a recent discussion here, Pets4Homeopathy@yahoogroups.com I think you need to join the group though, so that may be a deterrent. I've used homeopathy on our pets with no adverse reactions like drugs can do.

Post Edited (Garden Peace) : 12/30/2013 8:02:10 PM (GMT-7)


teragram
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   Posted 12/30/2013 9:00 PM (GMT -7)   
That's a good idea. And come to think of it, I should investigate the use of homeopathy as an abx., or is there such a thing?

BarnG, I'm hopeless when it comes to animals, and I'm compelled to let them in. If you're on abx., you're probably not going to catch Lyme again. I'm not sure about herbals.

I have a really easy time finding ticks on Lilah, because her hair is so short. She's part foxhound and part whippet (greyhound).

Sophie has really thick curly hair, but I haven't found any ticks on her recently. It helps that it's winter, but we've had a very mild winter. I do comb her every day.

Do you mean that humans are vectors for ticks, or that they could just catch Lyme in other ways? It's been proven that Lyme is transmissible from mother to fetus, and the sexual thing is still up in the air. I'm certain that it's not airborne.

Personally, I think that certain individuals are much more likely to catch Lyme than others. My dogs are in close proximity, and Lilah has never had Lyme, although I've certainly found ticks on her. My friend Beth is more outdoorsy than I ever was, and has lived in the same places, but has never had Lyme, and has never even seen ticks on herself.

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Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

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   Posted 12/31/2013 12:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Homeopathy is very different than any medicine. Each remedy is prescribed based on your own symptoms, not on the name of the ailment or just a few random symptoms. I'm pretty sure I had Lyme when I was very sick in my 20s and turned to homeopathy after doctors just said I as depressed. I just improve until I was better, without a bunch of pills, no diet changes special tests. That's just a basic explanation. I think it's one of the most unknown older modalities. It treats your whole body, not just symptom after symptom. I need to go through my records and see how long it took to get better...if I can read my docs writing. That was back before computers were in wide use, so he wrote down everything.

There is a homeopath on that site, but I've never used her and I'm not sure if she does strictly classical homeopathy.

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   Posted 12/31/2013 9:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Whether Lyme can be passed sexually isn't really a question - spirochetes (Lyme bacteria) have been found in sperm more than once. There is some debate about whether or not the spirochetes can multiply still and cause disease still, but I believe that's just those that don't want to admit that it's in the sperm anyway. Besides, the only way to know is with more very serious research and that's hard to come by for Lyme disease.
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   Posted 12/31/2013 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
I think much more research needs to be conducted too. Think of how all influenza comes from birds. Eventually the disease got into the human population and started spreading around efficiently.
These type of mutations happen all the time so anything is possible.

I am on antibiotics but honestly I cannot risk being bit again. Do worry about for example if a tick was able to get into the house on the dogs etc. The Dr's office sees Lyme all winter too. I think it can be dormant for a long time and hit you when your immunity is low.

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   Posted 12/31/2013 5:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I think one of the homeopathic treatments they use for animals is Ledum (1 m). It can be purchased online and you can also read/learn more about it online.

Post Edited (BarnGurl) : 12/31/2013 5:33:19 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 12/31/2013 6:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Teasel root can be used on animals, and I've read some success stories. FYI on the breaking up dog fights, coming from someone who's been in a few. The fastest way to split them up(sounds like it could happen again)without getting bit is a water hose up the snout. Stops the fight cold, makes them scatter, and water on the floor is easier to clean up than blood splatter on the ceiling when they puncture your arm! We had big dogs, lol.

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   Posted 12/31/2013 6:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, that is one remedy often used, but it's best to do constitutional treatments for the best long term outcome. Ledum may be the most useful in the beginning. I'd be inclined to use 200c at the most to begin with and see how they respond.

I'll have to remember that method to break up a fight, should I ever encounter it.

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   Posted 1/1/2014 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Garden Peace, do we know of any human patients that have had success with Ledum ? My own symptoms were too far gone when I caught them but I was curious as to the results bc so many people recommend it.

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   Posted 1/1/2014 7:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, the Teasel worked well for awhile, and I've put her back on the original brand, and may put myself on it as well.

How do I get a water hose into the house? For that matter, how do I get the dog to be still enough so I can target the snout during a dog fight?

For me, lifting the back legs works, as long as I'm not between the two dogs.

Update on Sophie: Herxing on Cat's Claw, and has very sore left hind leg. Seeing vet. tomorrow; hoping for Doxy. Will continue to give Soph. pro and prebiotics, and will buy some kefir for her.

Margaret
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   Posted 1/2/2014 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   
I want to know if Sophie likes the kefir!! smilewinkgrin And best of luck in getting the Doxy for her too. That's what I've always used on my dogs for Lyme as well.
Treatment for Lyme & Bart ended Dec. 2011 - no active symptoms
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   Posted 1/2/2014 12:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Our spout was right out the back door, hose was hooked up, we just drug the hose in, and sprayed their face. Worked great. It made the dogs cough, sneeze, shake off...they're focused on getting the water out instead of each other, so there's no "after fight"(when you get them apart, you think it's done, and they go after each other again).

We used this as a last resort after my mom got bit really bad, and there was no way her and I were going to get them apart(Great Dane/Boxer(mine) and a German Shorthair(my uncles) with a hate/hate relationship). We've found it much safer in big dog fights, and it's come in handy a few times. Thankfully, we haven't had to use it for years now...

I would start with the leg thing, too, though, especially if you have carpet, but if that doesn't work the hose is a good backup. :)

teragram
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   Posted 1/2/2014 6:05 PM (GMT -7)   
This is a good thread! I don't have a carpet; I have hardwood floors. I can't easily get to a hose, but the hind legs thing works as long as I'm not between them. I just have to remember to get out from between the dogs before I do anything stupid. Maybe I could just spray their faces with one of those plant spray things?

Sophie update is interesting, but a bit sad. After petit mal seizure and lame paw, I took her to vet (today). Vet said sounded like a Lyme flare, THEN, as she was palpating, she found yet another tick (in the winter??) with a circular rash. Dr. H. said we didn't even need a test (I can't afford), and she asked if I wanted Mino. for Sophie, bc Doxy is in such short supply (see post above). I opted for a Doxy script, but Rite Aid had evidently been getting so many people with the Doxy problem, they had started a discount program. Sometimes it's nice to live in a small town, although the CVS was charging 75% more!

What was really interesting was what transpired afterwards ( see "interesting" info. post above).

You know, in a way, Sophie's Lyme is almost worse for me than my own. When I had (let's keep that in the past tense) C. Diff., Sophie stayed by my side the whole time, and I just concentrated on her so I could keep going.

Well, I just gave her some Benadryl to help her with her herx, post Doxy.

Of course, I can't afford Doxy indefinitely, even with the discount.

This whole Lyme thing is starting to get really surreal.

Margaret
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Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

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   Posted 1/3/2014 8:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm curious, why not use the Mino for Sophie?

Yes, those darned ticks are active in the winter as well!! The only thing that really slows them down is a good hard freeze, but once it warms up a bit again, they are right back!
Treatment for Lyme & Bart ended Dec. 2011 - no active symptoms
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   Posted 1/3/2014 12:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm on mino instead of doxy, Dr said it has better brain penetration.

Unfortunately, I don't think the plant sprayer would work...need enough force to gag em, lol

teragram
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   Posted 1/3/2014 8:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, because Doxy works really well for dogs, and is the treatment of choice.

My LLMD had me on Mino originally, and it worked for awhile . . . .

I think it's different with humans.

Am going to post update on Sophie, my doggie love.

Margaret
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Synthroid, Cymbalta, OTC allergy, Malarone, Hydroxychloriquine, Acyclovir prn, Imitrex prn, Gabapentin, Temazepam, Lamotrigine, Bystolic, Singulair, IVIG,///Colostrum, Glutamine, Multis, Calcium, D3, B vits, Probiotics, AcetylLCarnitine, Omegas, Iro

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   Posted 1/4/2014 8:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Seems the question about using Mino in place of Doxy for animals is being discussed in several places! I found this one easy to understand:
www.sheltermedicine.com/shelter-health-portal/faq/how-does-minocycline-compare-to-doxycycline-and-what-dose-should-we-be-usi

I've bookmarked it so that I can refer back to it when I need it too!
Treatment for Lyme & Bart ended Dec. 2011 - no active symptoms
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   Posted 1/4/2014 1:08 PM (GMT -7)   
BarnGurl said...
Garden Peace, do we know of any human patients that have had success with Ledum ? My own symptoms were too far gone when I caught them but I was curious as to the results bc so many people recommend it.


It would help only if the symptoms matched the remedy. For example, if the person's bite was better from cold applications rather than warm, then that would be 1 indication of them needing Ledum. If your symptoms don't match the remedy, then it won't do anything and that where people think it's bogus. It takes a properly trained homeopath to choose the proper remedies.

I don't know if you've ever studied homeopathy. What they call "provings" are done with various things and the symptoms that arise from those are recorded and then the process of making the remedy is begun. It's highly diluted, so there is no visible trace of the substance. It sounds unbelievable, but I most likely wouldn't be here if I hadn't turned to it when I was so ill. Our cat would've died from distemper without it. I had a very good homeopath back then. I went through a series of remedies to get better, each one improving my health. I think it was around 4 or 5.

I hope I explained it well enough with my sleep brain.
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