Can someone tell me how to prepare houttuynia tea?

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teragram
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   Posted 2/10/2014 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I received the tea from a Chinese company (in bulk, not tea bags), and it didn't come with directions for how to prepare it.

I looked at the Misty Meadows website, and there are many different methods, so I'm not sure what to do.

I'm only going to start with a tiny bit, but I'd still like to prepare it correctly.

I'm also going to order Elecampane tea.

Any tips on preparing medicinal teas welcome!

smilewinkgrin idea

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   Posted 2/10/2014 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Take 3 grams (.11 ounce) of Houttuynia and put it into 3 cups of boiling water - but don't boil the herbs. Allow to steep for 10 minutes, cool. Drink 1 cup, three times a day.

For the Elecampane tea, it would depend on what you are using it for.
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   Posted 2/10/2014 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Trav., I knew you would come through on the Hootenanny Tea! I'm using the Elecampane for whatever Cowden is using it for, except in tea form, which is cheaper. For the esoteric rainforest herbs, I'm using Cowden, but when it's something that's available online, I'm just getting teas. I think he uses it for coinfections and anti-viral properties.

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   Posted 2/11/2014 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
We use essentially the same method as Trav does. We use powdered houttuynia and drink the powder along with the tea (I think Buhner refers to this as a decoction) in order to get as many constituents as possible. I would never throw anything out after steeping the tea. Trav is right. Do not boil - this can change the herbal components.

Buhner suggests allowing the tea to cool to room temperature before drinking as different fractions of the herb are released at different temperatures. Make sure you cover the container you are steeping in so the volitile constituents do not escape.
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   Posted 2/11/2014 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Ah! Yes, thank you Rowingmom!! I forgot about covering the tea as it steeps! Very important.

It appears that the Elecampane is for Babesia. I found ways to prepare it on Buhner's site: buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/elecampane-for-babesia/

I hope this helps!!
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   Posted 2/11/2014 1:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks folks! Now I have two other questions. One: How do you store it, and Two: Can you add other teas in the same mix? I drink cinnamon and fennel tea (and sometimes ginger), and I add honey to taste?

I got a big package of the Houtt., which was stupid, bc I'm going to be drinking such a small amount. It's wrapped in plastic. So do I keep it in the plastic, or what do I do?

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   Posted 2/11/2014 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm going to assume that you mean how to store the tea once it's made. Glass is always best - I used canning jars because I've got tons of them turn and they are easiest for me to deal with.

From what I've read, you should be able to mix the Houttuynia with most anything, although I would check with an experienced Herbalist or preferably a TCM practitioner on this.

To store the dry herb, take it out of the plastic, as it will absorb stuff from the plastic otherwise. If you have a glass container that you could store the dry herb in - in the refrigerator - that would be best. Otherwise a food grade, container is best.

If you use a plastic food-grade container to store the dry herb or the medicinal tea, it will make it smell like the herb or tea.
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   Posted 2/11/2014 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I do have glass, although it's not tightly sealed. I can put some saran wrap under the lid. I need to try the local ND. He's not an LL, but that's ok; I know he believes in Lyme.

I hope I can mix it with other teas and with honey, bc apparently it tastes fishy. I love my cinnamon tea!

Thanks for answering, Trav.

Margaret
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   Posted 2/11/2014 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
It never tasted fishy to me, a lot more like regular black iced tea.
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   Posted 2/12/2014 9:51 AM (GMT -6)   
It doesn't taste fishy to us either, but definately does work.

When we approached the dosages suggested by Buhner both my daughter and I herxed with anxiety/panic attacks and palpitations. When I talked to Buhner's associate about this, she said to decrease to a lower dosage, and that it was OK to stay at the lower dosage, but that we would have to remain on it longer (approx. 1 year).

We are approaching the 1 year mark and are doing WONDERFULLY. We are also taking some of his other herbs as well, so I'm imagine they also have something to do with our improvement.

I store my powdered herbs in the freezer, and only make enough decoction for 1 day. I make it every morning.

I put all the herbs we are using together in the same container (I use a borosilicate glass tea pot).

I heat 4 oz (1/2 cup) water, put in all the powdered herbs, and let cool. Then 3x daily I remove 1 and 1/4 oz of decoction (with a shot glass) and put it in a cup. Then I add the tinctures we are using to the cup and down the whole thing. I'm not sure about other herbs, but Buhner doesn't seem to be too picky about separating the dosing of one herb from another.

The decoction doesn't taste too bad, and because there isn't much you can down it quickly. I wouldn't recommend it for sipping.
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2010 - Dx ADHD, motor/vocal tic disorder, high functioning aspergers, motor delay, symptoms of PANS/PANDAS autoimmune neurological syndrome.
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   Posted 2/12/2014 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Teregram - I also combine my teas when brewing (example being I add in Japanese Knotweed, Teasel and Red Root, Cinnamon, Ginger, Cardomon, etc). Siberian Ginsing if you need energy. The combination actually makes great iced tea too.

I tried to add in Tumeric, but this is just about my least favorite tasting supplement if you ask me.

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   Posted 2/12/2014 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
What wonderful advice; thanks so much.

Do you think it's ok to add honey?

Thanks, Margaret
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   Posted 2/12/2014 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Yep, turmeric is definitely an acquired taste when taking in large doses - and one that I don't have!! I still choose to stuff gel caps to take it!

Remember that the honey has some antibacterial activity as well, so be careful what you add it to, but I believe it's generally a safe sweetener to use for most medicinal teas. When in doubt, choose another sweetener though!
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   Posted 2/12/2014 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh, hadn't thought of that. Are Houttyunia and Elecampane antimicrobial herbs?

The only sweetener I'm "allowed" to eat is honey, and I'm not sure about Stevia.

I wouldn't make turmeric tea. I would add it to food and take it in gel cap form.

Margaret
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   Posted 2/12/2014 6:29 PM (GMT -6)   
smilewinkgrin I'm chicken and just put turmeric in gel caps!!
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teragram
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   Posted 2/13/2014 1:30 AM (GMT -6)   
You can also buy it in that form.

It tastes wonderful with certain types of food.

Margaret
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   Posted 6/18/2015 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok, I got my answer by doing a Google search.

I found my own question from way way back.

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   Posted 6/28/2016 7:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I am so grateful for this information. I know Traveler is here, but others have moved on, thanks for answering this question! I am almost out of the hottuynia in capsule form from Dr. Z. and ordered a powdered form (can't remember off hand where). I was worried about the "fishy" notes. I plan to mix it once a day with my doses of japanese knotweed and cats claw when I add that back in.
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   Posted 3/3/2018 1:35 AM (GMT -6)   
So my husband is currently on the chronic tonic and we're about to add in the houttynia tea. From this chain I believe it is okay to add the herbs for both the chronic and houttynia to the water, steep together, and then drink 4 times a day - is that correct? There are so many pills and potions involved in trying to feel better I feel the more these can be consolidated/combined, the easier it might be. I would be grateful for any input. I see rowingmom makes it into more of a concentrate, that sounds much easier for if you need to be away, travel, and have to take it with you on the journey.

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   Posted 3/3/2018 1:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Rowingmom, what do you mean by 'we take the powder along with the tea? I think I just figured it - you don't strain the tea, you drink the whole thing, powder and all?

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   Posted 3/3/2018 1:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Westernbrit - I haven't made the tea out of herbs...but I did read through the chain of posts and I think you're right about being able to steep the herbs together, let cool and drink throughout the day.
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   Posted 3/3/2018 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Westernbrit said...
Rowingmom, what do you mean by 'we take the powder along with the tea? I think I just figured it - you don't strain the tea, you drink the whole thing, powder and all?


powder is for making ones own capsules. I dont think it would disolve in hot water, just go to the bottom, can always try it and find out..

the regular is somewhat leafy herb is for making tea in one of those screen dunkable seepers.

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   Posted 3/3/2018 12:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, in this instance, it's okay to combine these herbs (chronic tonic and houttuynia), because there is nothing in there that would counter another herb. Not all herbs can be mixed though, so before doing so on your own, please do check with an experienced herbalist, or do a lot of research to be sure that it will be safe. Some herbs will potentiate other herbal actions (make them stronger) and other herbs will reduce the effectiveness of other herbal actions. So we must understand what we are doing, as herbs can be quite effective medicine!

Straining herbal powders from the tea is really messy, and that's why most don't do it - and just opt to drink it, "herbal soup" at the bottom and all. A fine weave coffee filter (paper) would catch most of the herbal soup though. And no, herbal powder does not dissolve in even the hottest of water - and that only dispels the essential oils of the plant, so typically, you need to cover the steeping pot.

If it's being made with herbs that are only cut and not powdered - often called "cut & sifted" - then you won't be drinking the sludge at the bottom, but you will need to strain it. This is how I made all of my teas - don't like drinking that "herbal soup"!!! turn

And just to clarify, they are both considered a decoction and an infusion when using all the herbs in the chronic tonic. That's because one refers to the aerial parts of the plant and one refers to using the stems and woody parts of the plant:
"Infusions are used with the softer parts of plants and require a long soak to coax vitamins, minerals, and more out of the herbs into the water. An herbal decoction is employed when extracting constituents from hard or woody plant parts such as roots, bark, seeds, berries, and mushrooms."
/theherbalacademy.com/herbal-decoction/

Best of luck to you and your husband, WesternBrit!!!
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   Posted 3/3/2018 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you girlie, astroman and traveler, I really appreciate you responding so quickly. I'm trying to minimise the quantity of items to be taken so am looking to combine as many as I can.
Traveler, thank you, again, for your help, how are your studies going?...and how are you doing?

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   Posted 3/4/2018 3:57 PM (GMT -6)   
It's very understandable that you wish to combine as many things as possible! Many of us take soooo many things, it's crazy trying to organize it all daily!!

And thank you for your kind words - and for asking about me! I'm doing fairly well, actually!! My adrenals and thyroid are healing (YAY!!!!), so I'm feeling much more stable, and with the types of things that I"m now doing, I have been more functional than previously! I actually CARE what my floors look like!! LOL! And I've got more energy at the end of my day for fixing meals, which is huge for me. So, overall, I'm doing pretty well, although I do have a ways to go before I'll say that I'm as far as I can get.

Oh, and studies are going slow! LOL! I've been so busy helping others, that I don't have a lot of time for studying, but I have plenty of time left in the school to finish, so I'm not worried about that. It's just that I so enjoy the school work and learning so much about the herbs, the body and how it works and all!! I'd be there all day, every day if I could! LOL! I'm convinced that if I hadn't chosen to go back to school, I would not be where I am today with my healing that I am.

Do be sure to keep asking questions, and searching for your answers.
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