Artemisinin For Bartonella - Why Not ???

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Tano
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   Posted 5/28/2014 1:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Bartonella bacteria are highly associated with red blood cells ... Bartonella replicate within the red blood cell, and, like the babesia parasite, require heme uptake ( aka iron ) for survival ...

Artemisinin is drawn to iron - this is what makes artemisinin so effective against the malaria parasite, babesia and - why not bartonella ??

All three of these microbes require iron to survive, and all three are very involved inside or on the red blood cells ...

My friend works with feral cats ( you know where this is going ) ... She began having drenching night sweats, mood issues and enlarged lymph nodes ... Night sweats are usaually associated with babesia ( and malaria ), however, my friend recovered quite well with a diagnosis of bartonella and treatment with azithromycin ...

I believe that bartonella can present much the same as babesia, and in the presence of night sweats, it might be a mistake to simply think "babesia" ..

This also could mean that artemisinin could be effective in treating bartonella ..

Doesn't this make some sense ?

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   Posted 5/28/2014 6:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Yup - in fact my herbalist gave me artemesia tincture and said it would double for bartonella and babs for that very reason. Good thinking!
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rowingmom
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   Posted 5/28/2014 6:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Buhner's associate suggested artemisinin for us as well. Keep in mind that it is not to be used long term. No longer than one month at a time with off periods in between. She said that if it was going to work, it would on the first pulse. If it doesn't work on the first pulse, continuing will not help.
2008 - insect bite (bruise-like rash)
2010 - Dx ADHD, motor/vocal tic disorder, high functioning aspergers, motor delay, symptoms of PANS/PANDAS autoimmune neurological syndrome.
Jan 2011 – bartonella pain symptoms begin.
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbal, homeopathic treatment.
April 2013 - Weaned from abx treatment. Continuing wth Buhner, Byron White, methylation/detox protocols, Terry Wahls gf/cf/sf diet. Minimizing EMF exposure
Dec 2013 – Symptoms 98% resolved. ANA titers negative.

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   Posted 5/28/2014 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm just writing down my own experience, but I'm not trying to contradict anything :-)
 
I used Artemisin for many months (I can't remember well, 6 months?) about a year before I started treatment for Lyme and Bartonella. I didn't feel worse, didn't feel better. It felt as if it did nothing.
 
 
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Tano
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   Posted 5/28/2014 10:45 PM (GMT -7)   
After posting this thread yesterday, I thought I would conduct an experiment on myself ( LOL - I can't believe it has come to this )

I had not had a red line or red streak on my skin since May 15th ( I keep a log ) ... Usually, I need something to bring them out ...

I took a Dr Zhang's artemisiae tonight, and about 4 hours later, I get these ( click on the links to the pics )

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Razzle
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   Posted 5/29/2014 1:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Artemisinin is a variant of wormwood, which is anti-parasitic. So it would make sense that it would help with blood cell parasites such as malaria & babesia... Since Bartonella also acts like a red blood cell parasite, it is not surprising that the Artemisinin works for it, too.

Thanks for sharing... I'm going to add Artemisinin to the list of things to consider for Bartonella once I start officially treating for Bart.
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