Is crying and depression part of herxing?.

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Char999
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   Posted 7/18/2014 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Is crying and depression part of herxing?

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   Posted 7/18/2014 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if it's part of herxing, but it's part of lyme. Depression and bouts of crying are symptoms of lyme. It can also cause other psych symptoms, like anxiety.

I have cried almost every day for almost a year now. The bouts of depression have gone, but I still have these crying episodes.
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?) Started Buhner's protocol May 15, 2014
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   Posted 7/18/2014 5:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, for me, it's part of herxing.

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   Posted 7/18/2014 7:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Part of herxing for me, too. It was really bad when I tried antibiotics, more manageable on herbals.

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   Posted 7/18/2014 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Sometimes it can be from the meds you're taking. But having Lyme itself is enough to cause a decent amount of sadness.

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   Posted 7/19/2014 2:36 AM (GMT -6)   
For me it's part of herxing or when Bartonella is flaring.

I don't hold in the crying, I just let it out, if I don't it just builds up.

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   Posted 7/19/2014 11:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Same with me, Marie - It doesn't help if I hold it in and hope it goes away. It's actually less stress for me if I just have my cry.

Maybe that's why I watched the Justin and Christa story again. I needed a good cry.

I've always liked sad movies...even before Lyme. And I'm usually a very happy person. It's a release I guess.
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?) Started Buhner's protocol May 15, 2014
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Doxycyline started July 4, 2014
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   Posted 7/20/2014 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
When my herx would be in the brain and neurological, I will get more sad and very unsettled feeling. Some herxes are more physical. Every time I herx is different.

Ever since I started treating Bartonella I've gone downhill mentally. I have negative thoughts, am more depressed, don't want to communicate and don't want to be around people. It's awful and I can't wait for this to pass!!

Hang in there and detox as much as you can. I hope your herx passes quickly and you feel better mentally.
Found imbedded tick and oval rash March 2012
Symptoms appeared 2.5 months later.
Saw family Dr. Tested negative for Lyme and coinfections.
Took 300mg of Doxy for 2 months prescribed by husband. All symptoms returned within a few days of discontinuing.
Found Dr. To treat me in Dec. 2012.
On antibiotics since.
Currently taking - Suprax, Azithromycin and Plaquenil.

pmm73
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   Posted 10/26/2016 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I know this is an old thread but this is exactly what I go through ALL THE TIME! I'm either crying/emotional and depressed, or hateful and angry. Being around people is overstimulating and exhausting, but being alone with my thoughts is not enjoyable at all. I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown. I just want to be happy again.
Tick bite in 2011, possibly earlier.
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   Posted 10/26/2016 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
pmm73 said...
I know this is an old thread but this is exactly what I go through ALL THE TIME! I'm either crying/emotional and depressed, or hateful and angry. Being around people is overstimulating and exhausting, but being alone with my thoughts is not enjoyable at all. I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown. I just want to be happy again.


pmm73,

I completely understand. I don't have the hateful and angry stuff going on, but I can be brought to tears for no reason at all. I work in a university and there is nothing that makes an 19 year old male more uncomfortable than meeting with a 52 year old woman that starts crying for no reason. I just explain that I am going through some physical stuff that effects my emotions and I am not really sad. Most are understanding, but a few just want to get the heck away from me! smilewinkgrin Heck, I just want to get away from me too!

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   Posted 10/26/2016 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Sissy63 said...
pmm73 said...
I know this is an old thread but this is exactly what I go through ALL THE TIME! I'm either crying/emotional and depressed, or hateful and angry. Being around people is overstimulating and exhausting, but being alone with my thoughts is not enjoyable at all. I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown. I just want to be happy again.


pmm73,

I completely understand. I don't have the hateful and angry stuff going on, but I can be brought to tears for no reason at all. I work in a university and there is nothing that makes an 19 year old male more uncomfortable than meeting with a 52 year old woman that starts crying for no reason. I just explain that I am going through some physical stuff that effects my emotions and I am not really sad. Most are understanding, but a few just want to get the heck away from me! smilewinkgrin Heck, I just want to get away from me too!


Omg, Sissy, you just made me laugh! Mostly because my coworkers are the same way! I have to explain that they didn't make me cry and I'm crying for no reason lol I definitely need my hormones/adrenals checked: for the first two weeks of my cycle, I'm sad, depressed, nostalgic, and sappy. The last two weeks, I'm just so angry (about things that happened YEARS ago) and irritable. I don't know how much longer I can go on like this without having a complete mental breakdown (or being a recluse). Nothing seems to help. I can work through anxiety for the most part, and the depression too. The crying? Nope, no solutions. The anger? No clue what will help that permanently (it just keeps appearing out of nowhere).

Sissy63
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   Posted 10/26/2016 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
pmm73 said...
Sissy63 said...
pmm73 said...
I know this is an old thread but this is exactly what I go through ALL THE TIME! I'm either crying/emotional and depressed, or hateful and angry. Being around people is overstimulating and exhausting, but being alone with my thoughts is not enjoyable at all. I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown. I just want to be happy again.


pmm73,

I completely understand. I don't have the hateful and angry stuff going on, but I can be brought to tears for no reason at all. I work in a university and there is nothing that makes an 19 year old male more uncomfortable than meeting with a 52 year old woman that starts crying for no reason. I just explain that I am going through some physical stuff that effects my emotions and I am not really sad. Most are understanding, but a few just want to get the heck away from me! smilewinkgrin Heck, I just want to get away from me too!


Omg, Sissy, you just made me laugh! Mostly because my coworkers are the same way! I have to explain that they didn't make me cry and I'm crying for no reason lol I definitely need my hormones/adrenals checked: for the first two weeks of my cycle, I'm sad, depressed, nostalgic, and sappy. The last two weeks, I'm just so angry (about things that happened YEARS ago) and irritable. I don't know how much longer I can go on like this without having a complete mental breakdown (or being a recluse). Nothing seems to help. I can work through anxiety for the most part, and the depression too. The crying? Nope, no solutions. The anger? No clue what will help that permanently (it just keeps appearing out of nowhere).
 
I am glad I made you laugh for at least a moment!
I had a hysterectomy several years ago and I am also in hormone hell! I am currently off all hormones and I probably need some, but my doctor doesn't want too many changes going on right now.  
I am getting better and better at taking my  thoughts captive and analyzing if they are worth my time or not. Before Lyme nothing really rattled me. UGH! I am only 1 month into treatment, but must say I do see a tiny bit of improvement.
I have a nice imaginary flowing stream that goes everywhere with me. If a thought comes up that I can't get rid of, I pick a leaf from an imaginary  tree, put the thought on the leaf, and send it down the stream. Sometimes it works.  
 
 

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   Posted 10/26/2016 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Sissy,
It seems like so many of us say we were always happy and calm pre-Lyme! It really seems to take its toll on every aspect of our being. I honestly never had anger issues before Lyme. I feel like I'm possessed sometimes. Sometimes I can control it with saying to myself "I don't want to be angry." Sometimes I pray. And sometimes, nothing works but waiting for it to pass. It's as exhausting as any other physical symptom.

I like your leaf idea!
Tick bite in 2011, possibly earlier.
Diagnosed with Lyme 8/2016.
Positive for IgM 41, 38 and IgG 93/83,66, 58, 41, 30 and IgM and IgM/IgG AB

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   Posted 10/26/2016 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Sissy - I know what you mean...people are not comfortable with someone crying out of the blue.

(I guess I can't blame them!!)

I really try hard not to cry...I am an 'ugly crier' - lol - must be awful to watch me...haha
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grdner
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   Posted 10/26/2016 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I love the leaf! I am practicing meditation and sometimes the brain will not turn off. This may help thanks.

I have used st johns wort to lessen the depression troughs and the instantaneous crying. It does have some interactions though.

thanks for this post i didn't realize how many other people had this and it makes it much more bearable knowing.

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   Posted 10/26/2016 5:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone tried 5HTP? I thought about asking my doctor is opinion on it.

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   Posted 10/26/2016 6:23 PM (GMT -6)   
For me it is! I get super kooky!!!! Its like my brain goes on fire. 😭
Currently with LLMD planning on doing modified Cowden Protocol and Buhner
Switched to this route after very bad herxing on rifampin
Diagnosed with Bartonella and Lyme. Twin has Bartonella and Mycoplasma and Lyme.
Twin improving on rifampin, zithromax, and tinidazole. Anger, rage, explosivity, emotional volatility, head and bone squeezing, sense of overheatedness all improved.

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   Posted 10/26/2016 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I get so kooky that im certain ill have to go to the psych ward my depression and anxiety start spiraling like crazy i hate it so much.
Currently with LLMD planning on doing modified Cowden Protocol and Buhner
Switched to this route after very bad herxing on rifampin
Diagnosed with Bartonella and Lyme. Twin has Bartonella and Mycoplasma and Lyme.
Twin improving on rifampin, zithromax, and tinidazole. Anger, rage, explosivity, emotional volatility, head and bone squeezing, sense of overheatedness all improved.

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   Posted 10/26/2016 6:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Same with me, Marie - It doesn't help if I hold it in and hope it goes away. It's actually less stress for me if I just have my cry.

Maybe that's why I watched the Justin and Christa story again. I needed a good cry.

I've always liked sad movies...even before Lyme. And I'm usually a very happy person. It's a release I guess.


I seem to run through cravings for it too. I've been an easy cryer, you know, when some celebrity dies, or even some main character in a movie dies.

Not sure if I've always been that way, but I've accepted being a sensitive person, it goes along with being empathetic, I guess. But I've cried much more since getting sick, I know that, because I was talked into taking Paxil a couple of different times while in the midst of these infections.

It gets kind of funny, if embarrassing in public or when some person starts being really nice to me, I just fall apart.

I discovered years ago that happy tears are sweet tasting, sad/other tears taste salty.
Some where along the line I read that they are partially meant to be therapeutic. I have found that a good cry really does make you feel better. There is a difference between a good cry or bad one. I've had both. The bad one makes you physically sick at the end.

ETA: I think we may be more susceptible to crying jags when we have been sick for awhile. May all be linked to our adrenals/hormone dysfunction.

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   Posted 10/26/2016 8:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I've always been an easy cryer, too...even though I was very happy.

I seem to be able to feel someone else's pain. If someone else cries...I cry. It can be embarrassing.

Oh - sad movies...look out...tears are flowing.

And..yes...when my husband talks to me in his 'feel sorry for you' voice...tears flow.
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   Posted 3/13/2018 1:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread.

I have severe depression and sadness, I was wondering if this could be a herx?

I don't understand because usually my herxes were physical pain, they never were emotional herxes.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Rainy cloud said...
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread.

I have severe depression and sadness, I was wondering if this could be a herx?

I don't understand because usually my herxes were physical pain, they never were emotional herxes.


Yes. Babesia and bartonella can cause emotional herxes, sometimes pretty bad ones.

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   Posted 3/13/2018 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you WalkingbyFaith

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   Posted 3/13/2018 4:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm so glad this was brought back to the top. I've been an emotional mess the last few days...along with other issues. I cried for the majority of yesterday. Today, I have been teary eyed, for no apparent reason, several times. Maybe something is finally killing the bad guys...but man, I'm over the top a mess. I have babesia and bartonella. Ugh.

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   Posted 3/15/2018 11:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to hear that momem3, are you feeling better today?
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