Shin pain - shin bone sensitive to touch

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Delmar
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   Posted 8/22/2014 9:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Those of you who have shin pain... Is the bone ever sensitive to touch?

I've had the pain off and on but just today started massaging my leg and noticed that the bone, just below the knee is actually quite sore when I touch it. Should I be concerned or assume its bugs playing games?

Anyone?

AML94
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   Posted 8/22/2014 9:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Definitely! I forget and lay one leg over the other. Ouch!! It's the entire front of my shins. My ribs are the same way.
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Delmar
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   Posted 8/22/2014 10:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks AML, so you've felt around and it is actually the bone itself that hurts to touch?

Kind of scared me this morning!
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   Posted 8/22/2014 10:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh yes! But interestingly, it's gone away! I was on rifabutin for four weeks, but I had to stop antibiotics on Aug 4th due to pancreatitis and liver disease. Right now I'm only on flagyl, because early on when I go so sick my LLMD was suspicious of c-diff, and the ER didn't test for it. Now, I don't think I had it, but I've continued the flagyl. And I feel the best I have in months! I just checked my ribs. They still hurt to the touch, but not as bad as before.

Hopefully I can restart treatment soon. I'm feeling so much better. We're just waiting to see if my lab work gets better.
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Delmar
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   Posted 8/22/2014 10:34 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh man, sorry to hear about that, but I'm glad you're having some relief now!! I hope things continue to improve.
Thanks so much for the response :)
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Delmar
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   Posted 8/22/2014 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
So is this issue likely due to bone/marrow inflammation from Bart?
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AML94
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   Posted 8/22/2014 12:36 PM (GMT -7)   
My LLMD said so. I haven't seen my test results yet. We had a delay in Bart testing due to a sample problem. But either way, I'm almost positive I have it.
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Delmar
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   Posted 8/22/2014 12:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, I was negative for Bart but my LLMD is going to treat me for it. I think the Bart symptoms are my worst at this point.
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   Posted 8/23/2014 12:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Delmar, I was going to ask you have you been diagnosed with bart and then I read the rest of posts and see you mentioned it!

My test was neg for bart also but bart testing is really inaccurate. There are SO many strains of that as well that the tests just cover all...or maybe your antibodies did not develop to the bacteria so the test could not pick up.

When my llmd was performing a physical test on me...he was running his fingers up my shin bones in a pressing manner. My shin bones are sore mostly all the time, but as he was doing it, there were like 3 places I was like "OWW". Apparently this is a big indicator for bart.

Do you have any crazy anxiety? Any swollen lymph nodes (front/back neck, armpit, or chest area)? Sore or burning feet/heel pain? Streaked rashes? Rib pain? Any nodules/bumps along bone extremities (along fingers, toes, shins, forearms etc)?

Its hard because the symptoms over-lap with lyme and other co's sometimes but the ones above have been from personal experience and they are pretty specific enough to point to a bart infection (I have all but not the streaked rash-*knock on wood!)


If it hurts really really bad, I would possibly be concerned if I were you. Otherwise, you got it....its proly the bugs playing games{as usual-unfortunately}


Gosh... its like "Pick a symptom, any symptom!" ...where will it hurt next :-/


xx's-Courtney

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   Posted 8/23/2014 12:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Oops meant to say *tests just DONT cover all strains

Delmar
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   Posted 8/23/2014 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks orchid, I have almost all of the symptoms you mentioned.

My anxiety is much better than it was in the beginning, but certainly not gone, I have the little bumps along my shins but that's the only place. I also have streaked rashes - come and go on my left arm and left side of my back (what is with my left side!? Everything is worse on the left side of my body!). My lymph nodes swell up (some have remained fairly swollen) in my neck an above my collar bone, and had one under my left armpit (can't feel that one at the moment though), foot pain - yes!, and lastly rib pain... Hadn't had it, that I remember, until a few days ago... It lasted a couple days in a row and, wow! Was that uncomfortable. Not sure they were sore to touch, but they just ached - made me feel so toxic.

The shin pain is uncomfortable but not unbearable... I can touch it but it's just tender (like when you press on a bruise) and again only on my left leg. I pressed on it so much yesterday, I now have a bruise. Ha!
Is that what yours feels like? Like pressing on a bruise?

I wish my doc would treat me for the Bart now, but she says, she treats it for approximately 3 months towards the end of treatment....

Thanks for the response! It helps to have people to "talk" to about this stuff... Eases my anxieties.
I hope you're feeling good today! Hugs!

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   Posted 8/23/2014 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh yes, that has happened to me for a long time. I definitely think it's bartonella. Rifampin really hit the bartonella hard.
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   Posted 11/24/2017 6:55 PM (GMT -7)   
I came across this old thread doing some research on shin bone pain and tenderness to the touch. Like the original poster I've got some areas on the inner front of my shins just below the knees that are at times so painful to touch. It feels like someone hit them with a bat and they are bruised, but no visual signs of anything. I've been having this off and on for a long time and never figured out what it was. I get it on the outside of the leg at times, too. Weird how it just comes out of nowhere.

This and other bart symptoms have flared since I added A-Bart to my abx regimen. Curious how many others have had this particular bart symptom?

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   Posted 11/24/2017 7:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I did have shin pain from Bart but also Achilles and the soles of my feet hurt like heck.

These symptoms have come and then go away over the past year or so since beginning treatment.

It seems to me that when I am herxing and/ or add anything new the bart symptoms really come out strong.

Bart is a tough one to tackle, that is for sure.

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   Posted 11/24/2017 7:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I think I have the same problem with bart symptoms rising when something is added. A-Bart really seemed to trigger it this time and I haven't dared trying to go over the 5 drops BID the LLMD prescribed.

Especially bad has been the pain in the soles of my feet and lower leg muscles since adding it. I hadn't had this bone tenderness in a while, but boy is it back the last few days.

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   Posted 11/25/2017 10:18 AM (GMT -7)   
I had a lot of bone pain in my shins from bart - entirely gone now. But it was deep within the bone. I like what another poster suggested that this could be bone marrow inflammation. Certainly could be nerve inflammation but why just deep inside? I like the bone marrow link.

I also don't have nearly the foot and lower leg pain that I used to before treating bart.

A-bart is pretty intense. It is expected that you will herx when introducing or increasing it. I even had some bart sx flare as I wound up Lyme tx, like it just new it was now center stage.

You also might try to incorporate an anti-inflammatory. My neurologist has suggested that most neuro pain is due to inflammation. That has helped me!

Hope you get some relief -

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   Posted 11/25/2017 8:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Pirouette said...

You also might try to incorporate an anti-inflammatory. My neurologist has suggested that most neuro pain is due to inflammation. That has helped me!
-p


Curious what you use for anti-inflammatory? I previously tried Japanese Knotweed but it didn't seem to help, nor did NSAIDs.

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   Posted 11/26/2017 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
I like turmeric and also had good luck with pure, high-quality JK at high doses (2 tsp twice a day).

If you want, you can start a new thread with anti-inflammatories as the subject... try to get more ideas.

-p
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   Posted 11/26/2017 6:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I used to have pain in my feet - upon waking in the morning.

I was also quite cold in bed sometimes so started wearing socks to bed and guess what? No more sore feet.

So is it a lack of blood flow that was causing it?
The socks keeping my feet warm - keeps the blood circulating ?
Bartonella affects our blood vessels - maybe it is connected?

I'm thinking of not wearing the socks one night and see if my feet hurt again - it could be just coincidence I guess.
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mudshark
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   Posted 11/27/2017 6:10 AM (GMT -7)   
I was getting a lot of cold feet myself along with the pain, but that has not been happening very much lately for some reason. It's odd because now we're getting into the cold weather.

Perhaps it is the A-Bart I've been taking as something in it is supposed to help with circulation. Not doing much for the pain yet however, which is all day for me and worse the more I'm on them.
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