Bart herx = sweats?

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Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2015 2:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had hot flashes and sweats - both at night and during the day.
My LLND didn't know for sure, but thought it was my adrenals (not my female hormones).

But, the last week and a half, they have gotten worse during the day.

I added Sida Acuta and cryyptolepis about 6 weeks ago - and am up to 25 drops of sida only 10 drops of Cryptolepis.
Two weeks ago I added Houttuynia - and have gotten up to 12 drops in the last few days.
Yesterday and today I had the worst sweats. Happened 3 or 4 times each day....and not just my face/forehead and neck, but my back was sweating.

Aren't sweats usually from Babesia. Could it be a Bart herx? My LLND doesn't think I have Babesia...
Has anyone had sweats as a bart symptom?
As I'm typing this, my left rib is throbbing with pain....that symptom has been gone for several weeks. I know rib pain is usually attributed to Bart.
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?)
Buhner's protocol May 15/14 to July24/14
Igenex positive July 3, 2014; Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14
Zithro July26-Aug.24/14
Amox 1000mg x3 + Probencid started Aug. 29/14; added biaxin 500X2 Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox and added Ceftin Nov. 20th
Probiotics, Gaba, milk thistle, VitC, B12,D, Cal/Mag, extra mag, Ashwaganda, Curcumin, back on Buhner (end Sept)

lymie mom x 2
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   Posted 1/25/2015 11:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Girlie-

I know Sida Acuta and cryyptolepis is part of Buhner's protocol for Babesia. Last year for several months I had severe night sweats but this was long before I knew I had lyme & co. I had this a couple more times when I first started treatment with Doxy, but I have yet to have them again when I treat specifically for Babesia which I think is weird.

Why does your LLMD think you don't have Babesia? Do they know about the sweats? I don't think you need to have a long list of ALL the most common symptoms to conclude that there is a good probability you have something be it Bart, Babs, or any other co-infection.
CDC positive IgM +23, +41.
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Tick bite spring/summer 2013

Utahgal
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   Posted 1/25/2015 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD doesn't think I have babesia either. I tested negative for all coinfections. But we all know how that goes.

about 2 weeks in after starting rifampin, I was getting drenching night sweats. And sometimes during the day too. LLMD said it was a herx to the rifampin.

I have no idea. I'm as confused as you! Lol.
43 yrs old, symptoms for 5 yrs.
(Anxiety/panic, weakness, fatigue, cognitive dysfunction, insomnia, hair loss)
Recent IGenex test: 8/14
IGM: 18+, 23-25 IND, 31+, 39 IND, 41+, 83-93 IND
IGG: 31 IND, 39 IND, 41++
Treatment: 10/1/14: 200 mgs minocycline, 2 tablets malarone
10/24: 200 doxy, 1000 flagyl
12/1: 200 mino, 300 rifampin, 1000 tindamax

lymie mom x 2
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   Posted 1/25/2015 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought this info was interesting comparing Babs to Bart....

http://www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/bartonella-like-organisms-blo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/
CDC positive IgM +23, +41.
Diagnosed Dec 2014
Tick bite spring/summer 2013

Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
lymie mom - He doesn't think I have Babesia, because my symptoms seem to line up more with bartonella.

I have read that Babesia usually (not always) - is more sudden onset and you feel really unwell.
Thanks for the link - listed under Bartonella symptoms - was sweats. So, it's hard to figure.

My Dr. is leaning more towards bart because I have a lot of nervous system issues. - nerve pain, buzzing/vibrations, shivers, anxiety (minor now since treatment),
Also, my circulatory system is affected. (I sometimes have venous pooling on the tops of my feet).


Utah - sounds like you herxed from the Rifampin - I would think that's leaning toward Bartonella?

It's all such a puzzle.
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?)
Buhner's protocol May 15/14 to July24/14
Igenex positive July 3, 2014; Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14
Zithro July26-Aug.24/14
Amox 1000mg x3 + Probencid started Aug. 29/14; added biaxin 500X2 Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox and added Ceftin Nov. 20th
Probiotics, Gaba, milk thistle, VitC, B12,D, Cal/Mag, extra mag, Ashwaganda, Curcumin, back on Buhner (end Sept)

LymePickle
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie, I've had this happen to me too. I don't think it's a bart herx, more of a flair up and a kind of symptom. I only had this symptom when I wasn't taking much of anything for bart and when it was coming back. As I got the bacterial load down it goes away.

To be honest when i first got sick, I actually thought I had Babesia too!!! Lol just because I was getting those hot flashes and sweats so often. But I really don't think that anymore. Both my docs said that the night sweats people with babesia have are pretty much every night and they are drenching. Mind you that did happen to me once when I first got sick. But I have had no evidence of any other babesia symptoms. Apparently those with babesia are 3 times sicker than those without it.

Post Edited (LymePickle) : 1/25/2015 12:14:39 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymepickle - that's not what I wanted to hear...lol. I was hoping it was a herx...not a ramping up of bart symtoms....yikes!
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?)
Buhner's protocol May 15/14 to July24/14
Igenex positive July 3, 2014; Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14
Zithro July26-Aug.24/14
Amox 1000mg x3 + Probencid started Aug. 29/14; added biaxin 500X2 Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox and added Ceftin Nov. 20th
Probiotics, Gaba, milk thistle, VitC, B12,D, Cal/Mag, extra mag, Ashwaganda, Curcumin, back on Buhner (end Sept)

LymePickle
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie, you are only on 1 bart specific antibiotic. Bart can still do what it does on just 1 antibiotic. It needs to be a combination in order to start reducing numbers.

Even when I was on minocycline alone, it was still very active!

Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes LP - just the biaxin antibiotic for bart.

But, I am on two herbals - sida acuta, and houttuynia for bart.

I'm really trying to convince myself it's a bart herx!
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?)
Buhner's protocol May 15/14 to July24/14
Igenex positive July 3, 2014; Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14
Zithro July26-Aug.24/14
Amox 1000mg x3 + Probencid started Aug. 29/14; added biaxin 500X2 Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox and added Ceftin Nov. 20th
Probiotics, Gaba, milk thistle, VitC, B12,D, Cal/Mag, extra mag, Ashwaganda, Curcumin, back on Buhner (end Sept)

LymePickle
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Lol I sometimes message someone that has lyme too... Omg he was on rifampin, minocycline, septra DS, clarithromycin, and plaquenil. Plus bart herbs. Lol and he still has bart! What the heck is the deal here with this bart anyways. He even used moxifloxacin for a month I think.
A pooper scooper trooper. Battling bartonella, Lyme, and mycoplasma.

Somewhere around 90% recovered... Not easy to get the last 10%! open to any advice I can get!

LymePickle
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   Posted 1/25/2015 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Maybe it is??? But for me, I experienced this "bart day sweats" thing only when bart is getting out of control. When it is under control I don't experience that symptom at all.
A pooper scooper trooper. Battling bartonella, Lyme, and mycoplasma.

Somewhere around 90% recovered... Not easy to get the last 10%! open to any advice I can get!

Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2015 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Anyone else - have a clue if my increase in sweats could be a bart herx (even though they apparently don't exist...lol)

- Considering I recently added houttuynia and increased it a few days ago?
Symptoms started Sept, 2013 (maybe sooner?)
Buhner's protocol May 15/14 to July24/14
Igenex positive July 3, 2014; Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14
Zithro July26-Aug.24/14
Amox 1000mg x3 + Probencid started Aug. 29/14; added biaxin 500X2 Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox and added Ceftin Nov. 20th
Probiotics, Gaba, milk thistle, VitC, B12,D, Cal/Mag, extra mag, Ashwaganda, Curcumin, back on Buhner (end Sept)

tbohl
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   Posted 1/25/2015 8:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I have sweats too... during treatment mostly, I think Lyme alone can cause these...i've that any of the lyme and co herx can cause sweats, when I do detox baths and sweat it gets better

Auspiciousbunny
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   Posted 2/23/2018 10:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I am on Augmentin longer term for Lyme but I have not determined what specific co-infections I have. I have some symptoms of bartonella and some of babesia. I am having drenching night sweats that started about 2 weeks into antibiotics. I have not had anything like this before.
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