EMF and Lyme disease?

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yellow_daisy
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   Posted 2/12/2015 5:36 PM (GMT -7)   
I have seem multiple posts about things like EMF and electromagnetic radiation on the forum and how it relates to Lyme disease and I think I even saw someone post about a study done that showed exposure to EMF and radiation and such makes it way harder to heal from Lyme disease. I think EMF and radiation and stuff like that can't be great and it definitely doesn't hurt to reduce exposure and if it were up to me we would not have a smart meter on the house and would not have wifi on. However, my engineer dad 100% does not believe EMF and electromagnetic radiation causes any sort of problems. He thinks it is totally fake and a myth that it causes harm.

So I am wondering if anyone can help me prove things like EMF and electromagnetic radiation is bad and hinders Lyme healing. Can anyone show me any real studies that have been done on the topic?

Or does it really not make a difference and EMF and electromagnetic radiation really are completely harmless even to sickly people like me with Lyme disease?

Thank you :)

rowingmom
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   Posted 2/12/2015 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   
EMFs cause problems for most people, changing heart rate variability etc. Your heart and nerves are after all electrical in nature.

http://www.magdahavas.com/microwave-radiation-affects-the-heart-are-the-results-real-or-are-they-due-to-interference/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-mw_nCJWs4
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

Garden Peace
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   Posted 2/12/2015 7:12 PM (GMT -7)   
I know of a young lady here who is so sensitive to it that she has to carry a meter with her to test places before she goes in. It makes things very hard for her. Not exactly the info. you're after, but it does show how hard it can impact some Lymies.
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momto6
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   Posted 2/13/2015 2:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi there. I am new to this forum as I had previously joined for my "Fibro"
My Lyme Elisa came back positive although my WB came back negative. My specialist believes i have chronic lyme. I am surrounded at home, and at work by wifi. When I go on vacation to the Carribean, I feel great. There is really no wifi there and definitely no EMF waves.

Garden Peace
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   Posted 2/13/2015 3:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Too bad you can't live there! :) Welcome!
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rowingmom
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   Posted 2/13/2015 7:41 PM (GMT -7)   
momto6 said...
I am surrounded at home, and at work by wifi.
Wire your phones and computer. Turn off the wifi and unplug the Xbox. Turn off the electric circuits to your bedroom at night. Install Stetzer filters in your home and replace CFL bulbs with incandescent. You will find a big difference just having a safe haven at home for a few hours.
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

astroman
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   Posted 2/13/2015 8:23 PM (GMT -7)   
There are proven studies that livestock doesn't like it. Proven.

Gia sells some sort of EMF absorbing pennant.
Lyme symptoms late 1980's, Dx'ed 2013 by LLMD. Doxy, Flagil ABX. Felt better for a while.

Garden Peace
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   Posted 2/13/2015 8:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Rowingmon, Where did you find incandescent light bulbs?
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astroman
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   Posted 2/13/2015 9:51 PM (GMT -7)   
They're just regular bulbs - the rounder soft whites ect. They are slowly phazing out some incandescent bulbs. But you can still get many sizes at most stores.

Obviously if you have fixtures that only take florescent tubes, that's what you have to use.
Lyme symptoms late 1980's, Dx'ed 2013 by LLMD. Doxy, Flagil ABX. Felt better for a while.

Tick Magnet
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   Posted 2/13/2015 11:48 PM (GMT -7)   
@momto6, did you stay out of the sun when your were in the Caribbean? Sunlight is a potent source of electromagnetic radiation. Are there certain spectra that are supposed to be bad? Perhaps there is some other environmental change at play here.

Garden Peace
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   Posted 2/14/2015 12:19 AM (GMT -7)   
They were phased out quite a while ago here and I haven't seen any more, except for some night lights. I'd rather use them and wish I had bought up a bunch of them. I just wondered where she found some.
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SpeyFisher
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   Posted 2/14/2015 11:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Not worth getting into a big thing trying to prove something to Dad, but the suggestions already given on simple things to do to lessen EMF exposure aren't hard to do, and don't require Dad's assent or approval.

Try going camping for a week!

rowingmom
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   Posted 2/14/2015 12:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Garden Peace said...
Rowingmon, Where did you find incandescent light bulbs?

We are Canadian, and although they are phasing them out here too, I can still find the 40W, 60W and 25W. I am stocking up.

Some of the LED bulbs (the non-dimmable ones) are OK as well according to Dave Stetzer:

http://www.electricalpollution.com/CFLlightbulbs.html

"Many LED light bulbs are not electrically polluting, are highly energy efficient, and won't break and contaminate your house with mercury. According to Dave Stetzer, President of Stetzer Electric, none of the non-dimmeable LED light bulbs he has tested thus far have radiated high frequencies or put high frequencies back on the wiring. Dimmeable LED light bulbs are highly electrically polluting. This makes non-dimmeable LED lights the best choice thus far for energy efficient lighting. (Dimmer switches are themselves extremely electrically polluting and thus must be removed so using non-dimmeable LED light bulbs is no hardship.)

There are two other potential problems to consider when purchasing an LED light bulb. One, be sure the light bulbs you purchase do not carry a warning like the following: "This product may cause interference with radios, televisions, telephones or remote controllers." Two, don't purchase an LED light fixture that has a transformer. The transformer is likely to have a large electromagnetic field polluted with high frequencies.

An interesting article (http://www.dolevltd.co.il/UserFiles/File/True%20Cost%20of%20Low%20Energy%20Lighting.pdf) discussed the much lower energy use and good power quality profile of LED lights. Not only are LEDs better for your health, but also better for your wallet. CFL lights claim a 75% energy savings over incandescent lights, but are mostly highly electrically polluting and also transmit radiofrequencies off the bulb, which can be heard as static on the AM dial of a portable radio. LED lights have about a 97% energy savings over incandescent lights without the power quality issues that can cause electric bills to increase - if electrically non-polluting bulbs are selected, see above."
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 2/14/2015 12:13:20 PM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 2/14/2015 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   
I still find incandescent bulbs in most sizes at regional big box stores as well as small town hardware stores. (North West Great Lakes USA region).

But Home Depot doesn't have much incandescent at all.
Lyme symptoms late 1980's, Dx'ed 2013 by LLMD. Doxy, Flagil ABX. Felt better for a while.

tonesg
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   Posted 2/14/2015 7:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Smart meters are really bad. Lyme as well as other bacteria have been shown to proliferate in the presence of electro smog. Seltzer filters help some people but can actually cause problems for others, as the filters themselves add their own dirty electricity and different frequencies can cause problems for different people. Dr. Klinghart has a really good video that goes into these issues, well worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_wxM6IAF1I
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