Can Lyme/co-infections be transmitted sexually?

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DaveNJ41
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   Posted 3/17/2015 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Is there scientific evidence or studies that show whether Lyme bacteria as well as any co-infections can be transmitted sexually or via oral sex (I'm sorry for the graphic post).  I did some research on other possible routes of transmittion of Lyme other than a tick bite and I came across studies showing sexual intercourse could be a possible route.  Has anyone heard or read about this?

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   Posted 3/17/2015 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes. There are people on here and in the media that are pretty sure their spouses got the disease from them or their children were born with it.

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   Posted 3/17/2015 2:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes... Lyme, and bart can be. Babesia is probably not as likely though to be transmitted sexually. Some mycoplasmas are also transmitted sexually.

Anaplasma and Erlichia I am not sure but it is possible.

So yes for sure lyme and bartonella, babesia I am willing to bet is the only one that can't be transmitted sexually but I don't know for sure.
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   Posted 3/17/2015 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Even if you wear protection like a condom, can it still be transmitted sexually?

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   Posted 3/17/2015 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Dave - I think the condom would be as protective for lyme the same way it is protection for pregnancy and HIV etc. If it breaks or theres any leaks - then the safety is compromised.

Condoms arent "safe" - they're just "safer".

DaveNJ41
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   Posted 3/17/2015 3:49 PM (GMT -6)   
So is it the understanding that Bb and co-infects are transmitted through the semen of men and vaginal fluid of women, and not saliva through kissing, oral sex?

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   Posted 3/17/2015 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
It's been found in semen and I think vaginal fluid so its possibly transmitted through sexual contact. I havent seen anything about kissing being a route of transmission, but I dont think its known yet for sure.

There are people on the forum who think they either gave it tp their spouse or their spouse gave it to them.
I'm in that group - wondering if my husband gave it to me.
I think its being responsible to use protection if we have lyme and are engaging in sexual activity.

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   Posted 3/17/2015 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
If it's in bodily fluids then I think it could be in saliva also. I believe I gave it to my husband or at least I was the first one to show signs.
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   Posted 3/17/2015 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, we know that Lyme bacteria like the mouth, so whether or not there has been any scientific evidence of it as of yet shouldn't matter. They are there and so they can be passed.

We have to remember that we are living "ahead of the science" - meaning that the studies to show us what works, what is 'risky' behavior and more is yet to come for most things. The science is still changing for us as more studies get done.

So if you care for the person, then be extra careful, take all the precautions and - most importantly - talk to them!!! They need to know what they are potentially risking by being with you!! I told my hubby before we even got together. Not an easy talk to have, but it's only right to let them know.
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   Posted 3/18/2015 12:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Ya for what it's worth, I got lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma, and anaplasma from a tear... So it does happen, but it's probably not a good idea to go there as it creates a lot of conflict (my experience getting it from a tear, but what else am I supposed to say as that's how I got it).

I researched the whole internet trying to find answers to transmission... And yes both bart and lyme can be in the mouth.

I think traveler is right... The science has not caught up to the reality of the matter. So it really isn't clear. There are of course a whole bunch of things to take into considering when answering a question like this... As in did the person successfully treat the infection? What is the health of their immune system? How long have they been infected?

So there are some variables in the equation too.
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DaveNJ41
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   Posted 4/15/2015 5:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey all I want to revisit this topic- im dating a girl now and we had sex and kissed. Protected sex but we also stupidly had unprotected sex once. She just got back from St. Thomas on vacation and got bite by a bug on her hip and the next morning her hip and shoulder hurt. Last night we talked about

DaveNJ41
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   Posted 4/15/2015 5:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey all I want to revisit this topic- im dating a girl now and we had sex and kissed. Protected sex but we also stupidly had unprotected sex once. She just got back from St. Thomas on vacation and got bite by a bug on her hip and the next morning her hip and shoulder hurt. Last night we talked about how lyme could be potentially sexually transmitted. She knew I was freaked out about it bc I did not want to send her running for the hills. I don't think I handled the convo as well as I could have...it's just really unfair this is happening. She's going to see her doctor about the bug bite but I also told her to tell her doctor about my lyme and Bart and that we had sex. I told her how the Elisa and WB are inaccurate blah blah which I probably shouldn't have done bc it may have freaked her out a bit- she doesn't even have lyme or Bart for sure so why bring it up? Haha. Should I have her send her blood to igenex? Or test for viruses and bacteria in the Caribbean like chikungunya first and see what comes back?

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   Posted 4/15/2015 6:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Dude. That's almost like having unprotected sex knowing you have HIV/AIDS (assuming you told her you had Lyme and co after the act and not before). I would say the best course of action to be safe is 4 to 6 weeks of 3 or 400mg Doxy per day. If you did infect her, waiting 3+ weeks for results will not help her situation.

DaveNJ41
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   Posted 4/15/2015 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
I asked my LLMD and he said if she starts presenting symptoms then take action on it. And no- it's not like having unprotected sex if you had HIV- where hiv is proven to be sexually transmitted, lyme is not. My point is- you should still have protected sex regardless, however, to indicate that lyme is sexually transmitted without a shadow of a doubt is wrong. It's possible but it's not proven. Regardless im going to have to her tested anyway and start treatment.

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   Posted 4/15/2015 8:39 AM (GMT -6)   
DaveNJ41-

You went a teen in the early 80's when HIV entered the spotlight. Nothing was proven with that either. Look what happened with that.

Dont risk it again with someone. Try to be more responsible, just saying.
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DaveNJ41
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   Posted 4/15/2015 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Astro- I understand. You have a good point. I just wasn't thinking clearly. I would never, ever be irresponsible purposefully with someone with giving them lyme. I also told her about how it could be potentially sexually transmitted prior to us having sex, so at least she was aware. I'm really worried about this. She's going to call her doctor today.

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   Posted 4/15/2015 9:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Dave:

There is some evidence (small studies done by some doctors in their office) that it can be transmitted sexually (both husband and wife had the same strains of the infections). However, you have been treating and have a smaller bacterial load than if you weren't treating. So chances are smaller and she is probably ok especially if she is a healthier girl. I have gave birth to 2 children and they were fine, no symptoms.

If we think that way, we should never touch or be around another human being: what if a mosquito bites us and then them?

If I were you I would tell her to take astragalus and Houttounia tinctures to cover both infections and maybe cats claw to raise immune system function as a precaution. It is practically impossible to leave in the world like this. What am I supposed to do when I get bitten by a mosquito?

I don't think you were irresponsible--you just got carried away as we all do when we are/were young. No need to panic. She will be ok. I'd do the tinctures as a precaution. A lot of us have those infections and we just don't know it. I personally think at least half of the population is infected.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 11:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Well, we know that Lyme bacteria like the mouth, so whether or not there has been any scientific evidence of it as of yet shouldn't matter. They are there and so they can be passed.

We have to remember that we are living "ahead of the science" - meaning that the studies to show us what works, what is 'risky' behavior and more is yet to come for most things. The science is still changing for us as more studies get done.

So if you care for the person, then be extra careful, take all the precautions and - most importantly - talk to them!!! They need to know what they are potentially risking by being with you!! I told my hubby before we even got together. Not an easy talk to have, but it's only right to let them know.


I just saw this in my quest for information. After my 6 spinal fusions and Mastectomy (yes men DO have them too sadly), I asked my surgeons, all 4 of them for a Doctor's Excuse to excuse me from sex forever or at LEAST one year :-) They refused leaving me as fair game for my younger wife to lay waste (hey, a pun?) to what was left of me. But this? THIS is just the excuse I was looking for! There is a God after all.... smilewinkgrin yeah
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Post Edited (lucynethel (OR Just Mike)) : 10/13/2016 10:40:26 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 10/13/2016 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
She's fine. I have been **** my old lady for years with no transmission. Not saying it's impossible, but it's generally unlikely.

Post Edited By Moderator (Girlie) : 10/13/2016 12:21:49 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 10/13/2016 12:50 PM (GMT -6)   
lol....many men and women had STD and shyphillis and have recovered....are those still contagious? Because if it leaves in the mouth all you need is a dog lick on face or a sneeze. Although spirochete has poor life airborne.
Contracted lyme in 2015.
First bite untreated. Second bite treated according to CDC guidelines and within 10 hrs from bite.
April: ELISA & WB positive (2 bands)
May & June: Oreganol, Eulueothero, Magnesium and some cats claw.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
lucynethel (OR Just Mike) said...
Traveler said...
Well, we know that Lyme bacteria like the mouth, so whether or not there has been any scientific evidence of it as of yet shouldn't matter. They are there and so they can be passed.

We have to remember that we are living "ahead of the science" - meaning that the studies to show us what works, what is 'risky' behavior and more is yet to come for most things. The science is still changing for us as more studies get done.

So if you care for the person, then be extra careful, take all the precautions and - most importantly - talk to them!!! They need to know what they are potentially risking by being with you!! I told my hubby before we even got together. Not an easy talk to have, but it's only right to let them know.


I just saw this in my quest for information. After my 6 spinal fusions and Mastectomy (yes men DO have them too sadly), I asked my surgeons, all 4 of them for a Doctor's Excuse to excuse me from sex forever or at LEAST one year :-) They refused leaving me as fair game for my younger wife to lay waste (hey, a pun?) to what was left of me. But this? THIS is just the excuse I was looking for! There is a God after all.... smilewinkgrin yeah


Well, you can use protection....although I guess that's not 100%
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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
dogsblood - I edited your post...this is a family friendly forum...
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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Something to keep in mind. We know these bacteria migrate. Spirokeets have been found in the testicles of men, so they do get there. They also infect the lymphatic system which does drain to the external as well as internal, sexual organs of women.

We also know that in general, infection finds it's route through the most minute skin tears/openings. Aside from genital transference, as has been mentioned, the tick bacteria(all bacteria really) love our teeth and gums which are the easiest place in the body to trade off to someone else by way of saliva which is also a glandular sourced.
I would bank on sexual transference equating Russian roulette.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
artermix said...
lol....many men and women had STD and shyphillis and have recovered....are those still contagious? Because if it leaves in the mouth all you need is a dog lick on face or a sneeze. Although spirochete has poor life airborne.


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   Posted 10/13/2016 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Then ...lyme is just as contagious as the common cold. Only not that easy to treat.
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First bite untreated. Second bite treated according to CDC guidelines and within 10 hrs from bite.
April: ELISA & WB positive (2 bands)
May & June: Oreganol, Eulueothero, Magnesium and some cats claw.
July: Amoxicillin 4000 mg a day for 30 days in July 1 ended in Aug 1.
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September: Basic Buhner protocol + specific herbs
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