The truth about heavy metals toxicity

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sweetpeaisme
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   Posted 7/23/2015 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Our environment is toxic...from leaded gasoline used up until the 1990's(I THINK that's when), to mercury in the amalgam(tooth fillings), to lead in the paint, to aluminum cookware!!! Oh, and let's NOT FORGET, the chemicals in pesticides-eeeeeek!

Then there's the hard-proof that mercury is in vaccines.

For me and MANY chronically ill individuals, our immune systems FIRST attack was by heavy metals toxicity that we accumulated over years.

THEN when we're infected we cannot fight the bugs and we end up chronically ill!!!

The good news is Dr' s data provides the testing kit for only $60!!!

Deejavu
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   Posted 7/23/2015 5:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes Sweetpea, that is so true! Mercury is also found in certain fish, medications, etc.

Below is what Dr. J. says about detoxing from heavy metal toxicity and low body temperature:

In order to effectively detoxify the body, it stands to reason that the doctor and healthcare team must address the low body temperature. Restoring the normal body temperature will then restore the normal liquid-fluid flow dynamics that would allow the detoxification medicines to reach and remove the metals and toxins.

davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2010/11/heavy-metal-toxicity-and-low-body.html

Denise
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I still detox even though healed. I come back to help others for others helped me when I was sick. Pay it forward! :-)

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   Posted 7/25/2015 7:33 AM (GMT -6)   
I was intrigued by this thread because I've become aware of the fact that many of us have toxic metal issues - even if we don't know it.

The testing kit sweetpeaisme mention piqued my interest and I began to investigate.

I found this concerning information:

www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/doctors_data.html
7/14/14 removed nymph deer tick and started 200mg doxy for 3 wks per PCP the next day
9/18/14 met LLMD who clinically dx'd me with Lyme due to Bells Palsy and started me on ABX
10/23/14 Igenex/CDC positive for Lyme
Feb 15 weaned off ABX/started Cowden Protocol and LDN
Symptoms mostly related to peripheral nervous system except when I herx

Razzle
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   Posted 7/25/2015 8:37 AM (GMT -6)   
For those who are interested in the truth about the quackwatch.com website, see tinyurl.com/asuqq4
-Razzle

Chronic Lyme, Bart., Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut dysmotility & non-specific inflammation, Lupus, Osteoporosis, etc.; G-Tube; TPN-dependent
Meds: Flagyl, Cefazolin, Essential Oils, Homeopathy, etc.

Post Edited (Razzle) : 7/25/2015 8:41:34 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/25/2015 8:51 AM (GMT -6)   
You should see what Quackwatch says about chronic Lyme!! It will definitely raise the hairs on your head - and anger in your mind.

Never give that site any credit for anything that is said. I believe the dude has a mental illness or something.
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CD3764
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   Posted 7/25/2015 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Razzle

Thanks so much for sharing this! I had no idea.

I'd stumbled upon the quackwatch.com site in the past when Googling and was obviously duped.

This forum is the best :)
7/14/14 removed nymph deer tick and started 200mg doxy for 3 wks per PCP the next day
9/18/14 met LLMD who clinically dx'd me with Lyme due to Bells Palsy and started me on ABX
10/23/14 Igenex/CDC positive for Lyme
Feb 15 weaned off ABX/started Cowden Protocol and LDN
Symptoms mostly related to peripheral nervous system except when I herx

gkamom
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   Posted 7/25/2015 1:11 PM (GMT -6)   
So is Doctor's Data a reputable source for testing?

Just the little I read regarding Barrett and quack watch was enough to discredit him. I don't understand how he can use MD after his name and be an "expert" witness if he never passed his board. I also don't understand how some organization can claim to be a plaintiff when they don't represent real people.

But regardless of them, does anyone have real experience with Doctor's Data and are they for real or are they another person/company looking to make money off of desperately ill people?

Kim

sweetpeaisme
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   Posted 7/25/2015 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Yah, that 'quack' on quackwatch is such a quack...

I had to put with SO MUCH CRAP from my husband reading that B.S.!!! My hubby calls my Dr. A quack...it made me feel so alone and rejected that my best friend, my husband didn't have my back for my chosen treatment course. He's since come around in support, but I often feel like he's just doing so to prevent a melt-down(on my part).

I've found that the majority of people, Americans ESPECIALLY are SO unreachable-because they supposedly already know EVERYTHING, that when they hear something they don't know, they cannot admit they 'don't know', so it's easier to call it quackery...

It's ignorance!!!

Santanita
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   Posted 7/25/2015 2:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Just read an article about a woman with high levels of heavy metals, which were, thallium and cesium and they found out it was from eating lots of cabbage, which sucks these metals out of the ground when growing!!! The woman stated she ate cabbage everyday and also did juicing with kale which also sucks those metals out of the ground while growing. They also stated that broccoli, cauliflower and collard greens will give you high heavy metal readings if you eat it as a regular diet everyday. I remember when the fad of the cabbage diet came out and eating it everyday for months just to lose weight.

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   Posted 7/25/2015 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
gkamom said...
So is Doctor's Data a reputable source for testing?

Just the little I read regarding Barrett and quack watch was enough to discredit him. I don't understand how he can use MD after his name and be an "expert" witness if he never passed his board. I also don't understand how some organization can claim to be a plaintiff when they don't represent real people.

But regardless of them, does anyone have real experience with Doctor's Data and are they for real or are they another person/company looking to make money off of desperately ill people?

Kim


I haven't heard anything bad about them, but that doesn't really say much - sorry!!!
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Santanita
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   Posted 7/25/2015 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Herb all the way, since when is Mother Nature against the law... That's why they made it illegal in the 1950s so the pharmaceuticals can make money along with the Drs who push meds with such bad side affects that they make you sicker and put a toll on your kidneys and liver. My friend was in 4th stage pancreatic cancer until one of his family members gave him hemp oil ( Phoenix Tears) and it cured him. You can go to Rick Simpsons Facebook page and read it. They also use it for Leukemia and brain tumors..

Toronto_M
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   Posted 7/29/2015 9:16 PM (GMT -6)   
which metals do they tend to test for?

gkamom
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   Posted 7/30/2015 8:44 AM (GMT -6)   
How do you get the testing done? I mean other using Doctor's Data.

I've come across "Doctor's Data" several times in doing research. Heavy metals has been discussed here many times, but I have only seen people mention that they are treating it, not how they tested for it.

Do people treat for Heavy Metals the same as some of the confections, meaning go by symptoms and treat accordingly? This area in particular is really fuzzy because there doesn't seem to be any real data out there. I do believe that I probably have some mercury in my fillings because some are very old, but my symptoms started way before I had any fillings.

I may get beat up, but I have to say that there is NO mercury in any current vaccines. It's possible (and probably likely) that there was mercury in vaccines when I was a kid (decades ago) and therefore have gotten some mercury in my system that way, but the medical community now believes all of that has been fixed. Vaccines are safe on that front.

Oh, well, darn the torpedeos. By refusing to get vaccines, especially for childhood diseases, we put not just our children but other people with a compromised immune system at risk. Pregnant women, children to young to be vaccinated, cancer treatment patients, and so on.

The measles epidemic this past year is a perfect example. The person who brought it into Disneyland was likely a foreigner from a country where vaccination programs are voluntary. It spread so far because what better place to ensure that people would touch lots of surfaces or sneeze on them or transmit in another fashion. I was once waiting at the condiments station to get ketchup and watched a little girl watching her mother. When the Mom's head turned away looking for another child, the little girl stuck her finger up the inside of the ketchup spigot, then quickly put it in her mouth. Ever since then I eye every ketchup dispensing station everywhere and debate if I really want ketchup.

I had a friend who's son had childhood lukemia. She told me stories about how difficult it is for the family. She couldn't even bring him to the Grocery store. She explained it this way: your kid is sick with something like the chicken pox. You need to go get groceries and can't leave them home. No problem, right. It's just a childhood illness that all kids get so if someone gets it a little sooner than expected, it all works out because they get the chicken pox and it's over and done with. You don't have to worry anymore about taking time off deal with a sick child. It's over and done with.

Except, that in the next isle over there could be someone with a compromised immune system. Someone for whom the chicken pox is not just a childhood illness, but has the very real possibility of doing serious harm including death. Now that measles is under control, whopping cough cases are on the rise and will be the next disease that makes a comeback after having been eradicated in the Western world.

Sorry for the soapbox. I understand that we all have reason not to trust doctors but I personally have found that my Pediatrician is definitely trustworthy. The myth that mercury is used in vaccines has been debunked except that it keeps getting perpetuated by desperate people looking for answers.

Fish is a different story. There is mercury and other toxins in our waterways and oceans. Fish do take in that mercury and it stays in their body. Some fish more so than others. So if we eat the fish we are consuming the mercury. Farm raised fish is the worst because if they are ocean fish, the "farm" is a pen in an area where the "farmer" grows their "crop". If there is mercury deposited in the soil/sand and plants, the fish are continuing to consume the mercury and take in a greater amount over their life span. A wild fish eats from many different areas and therefore is less likely to have high enough mercury levels to be toxic (one fish by itself).

Kim

rowingmom
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   Posted 7/30/2015 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Even the CDC admits that there is thimerosal in the multi dose vials of flu vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/vaccine-decision/ingredients.html

So my immunocompromised child should risk an encephalitis reaction to a vaccine for a common childhood illness so someone else's immunocompromised child who can't get the vaccine doesn't get the illness?

Vaccines do not necessarily produce immunity to infection, especially in children/people who's immune systems are already compromised (ie by lyme/co) and are not actively producing antibodies.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/07/21/failing-vaccine-injury-compensation-program.aspx

" For example, 90 percent of the children who contracted whooping cough (pertussis) in the 2012 outbreak in Vermont were vaccinated.4 Of 178 confirmed cases of pertussis in children aged six months to 18 years, 160 of them were vaccinated with DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis vaccine):
•One child had received one to two doses
•Eight had received three doses
•Nine had received four doses
•74 had received five doses, and
•68 had received six doses

The recommended number of doses DTaP vaccine before entering kindergarten is FIVE, yet 38 percent of these kids who had received SIX doses - one more dose than recommended - still contracted whooping cough!

This seems to confirm findings published in The New England Journal of Medicine,5 which showed that a child's odds of contracting whooping cough increases 42 percent each year after receiving their fifth dose of the DTaP vaccine. California also experienced a whooping cough "epidemic" last year. According to the California Department of Public Health (CDPH):6"

These outbreaks are not the result of people not vaccinating. They are the result of vaccine failure.

Fully vaccinated individuals should not be getting sick, but this is happening more and more, especially with the MMR.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/mumps-in-nhl_b_6351358.html

The live attenuated viruses in vaccines can also be passed to others even though the vaccinated person is not experiencing symptoms.
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Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved

Post Edited (rowingmom) : 7/30/2015 12:35:50 PM (GMT-6)


sweetpeaisme
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   Posted 7/30/2015 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
1st)

The SO-called measles epidemic was scare tactics. Fear is what drives people to get vaccinated. Also, IF you believe IN vaccines, and are vaccinated against measles then how does that put you & the vaccinated at risk for measles from those infected-it doesn't IF YOU believe vaccines work!!! Purportedly, the only people who got measles DID NOT get vaccinated...MANY who fell ill from the SO-called measles outbreak WERE VACCINATED-vaccines havent been scientifically proven to work.

2nd)
In Oregon, a few winters back we had an epidemic of whooping cough IN VACCINATED individuals. I have family in Medford, ALL who were vaccinated with the D.T.P., & were quarantined in their homes as they had whooping cough!

3) in comparison of my two kids=1 had chicken pox vaccine, the other did not
Both of my kids had chicken pox-the vaccinated one STILL GOT a mild case of the illness. Yes, I said 'mild', but the other non-vaccinated child had a longer course of the illness but has a natural immunity to the illness

& I digress as this thread was about heavy metal toxicity not vaccines!

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   Posted 7/30/2015 3:48 PM (GMT -6)   
There are heavy metals in some vaccines too! :)
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   Posted 7/30/2015 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone here (besides me) ever passed an infection to a child under the age of 7 that was going through Chemo for cancer? It was a simple mistake really. I picked up my step-son at the time, and his mother forgot to tell us that he had been exposed to chicken pox. No big deal for healthy children - I was even slightly relieved that my kids had been exposed - but we didn't find out that we had all been exposed until AFTER we had gone to visit this family that we were friends with and their youngest son - 7 yrs old at the time - was going through cancer treatments at that time.

Well it got pretty ugly - and scared the pants off of me that I might have been responsible for killing that child - no he didn't die, but it was close. And it was from a simple childhood illness that won't kill most.

So, let's take something that we who are relatively healthy usually get vaccinated for. Imagine the damage that would have been done to that child had we had exposed this child to measles, or mumps - or pick any one of the bad ones.

I would like to know how someone would live with themselves knowing that they had played a role in infected a child with cancer with something that could or would kill the child.

I almost did.

So there has to be better answers out there for the protection of those that don't have a good immune system to protect them and for those of us that have no desire to have immunizations.

By the way - I don't get them any more either.
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sweetpeaisme
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   Posted 7/30/2015 6:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Well...Mycoplasmas and CPN are VERY contagious-before my diagnosis, I exposed a good friend of mine who was going thru ovarian cancer. Mid-way thru her cancer(she's now deceased), she mysteriously contracted myco infection...

I lived in SE Asia for 3&1/2 yrs and often worried about several very deadly diseases of which there ARE NO VACCINES!

Of all the scariest, deadliest diseases responsible for MASS deaths-there are NO VACCINES!

We vaccinate for diseases that typically don't result in death(w/exception of the illness the vaccine itself causes). In FACT vaccines can cause seizures in infants as well as death. I, along with ALL OF MY FAMILY & friends my age, had measles AND/or chicken pox as a child & didn't even come close to death.

Our bodies were designed to fight infections & environmental exposures but 'something' has altered that natural ability=vaccines are unnatural. It's expecting too much of our immune systems to create antibodies-ALL AT ONCE! In nature, our immune systems create the antibodies as exposed to them-with vaccines it's forcing the immune system to respond to a replication of that pathogen=the result is AUTO-immune!!!

Dr. Garth Nicholsen found the causal link to Gulf War syndrome-the vets received way too many vaccines all at once right before deployment-its a very interesting read!

gkamom
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   Posted 7/30/2015 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
rowingmom, I did not intend to say that you should get your immunocompromised child immunized to protect another immunocompromised child. If I did, I apologize.

My intent was to point out that some people decide not to vaccinate their healthy child without realizing that if the child got sick, they could unknowingly put another child at risk. Exactly the situation Traveler described. My best friend had a 3 year old with Leukemia and this was exactly the type of situation that could cause a problem.

Obviously, this is a very touchy subject so I'll never mention the word vaccine again in this forum. One thing to remember though is as with Lyme there is still a lot of controversy regarding this subject.

My post was not meant to offend.

Kim

VfromCT
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   Posted 5/15/2018 6:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I know this is an old thread, but I just want to add to what Santanita said, about the women eating cabbage/kale, etc and having high metals, especially thallium and cesium.

I just got my Dr Data (DMSA 800mg large one time dose provocation) results, and my Thallium is sky high, through the roof. Higher even than Lead, which is about halfway through the yellow reference section. The other high ones for me were Tungsten and Barium. Then nickel, cesium and cadmium all about the same. Then mercury well within the green.

The reason I wanted to mention the Thallium though, is that for the last 6 years I have been on a mainly cruciferous vegetable diet, with some protein, little carbs. But thats basically all I eat - cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, (carrots, onions, rutabaga, turnips, etc). Not much kale which I'm glad bc that seems to be a big offender. No SUGARS, little diary, NO WHEAT! So in my mind it was suppose to be really healthy.

I was astonished to see these random, uncommon ?!, metals so high. I thought I was doing myself a favor by eating so healthy.. guess not?!?!. What else am i suppose to eat? It seems everything is toxic these days.

OH whats best, I had an entire amalgam CROWN until recently, chewing with it for years, and just had that taken out. Additionally since 12yo (I'm 34) I have a metal post in my front tooth (that the porcelain crown is built on) bc I broke my tooth in half. SO MY POINT is you'd think my mercury would be high, but no. It was lower than 6 other metals, well in the green.

So where are all these other metals coming from, other than our environment.
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