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Jackie Moon
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   Posted 1/5/2016 1:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Ya'll

I have seen a lot of really good herbal remedies on here ( and I have used some with great success ) but I have to mention that I have had Phosphatidylcholine through and LLMD and it has helped me a lot on brain detox for my brain inflammation, "burning" brain, and brain "buzzing" which you can see from my other posts that bartonella really gives me issues with ( especially kills ). I was a very difficult process mentally when you start moving around toxins but I do feel it helped immensely. If you search about it together with lyme and co's you'll see some LLMDs and east coast clinics are using it more and more. Just wanted to pass along something that alleviate some peoples suffering possibly. Side note: I do not methylate well at all so I seem to hold toxins like a sponge.

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   Posted 1/5/2016 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm glad it's helped you!

I've been taking it orally, and it's also helped me. My LLND said its good for the brain and digestion, specifically fat absorption.
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   Posted 1/5/2016 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
What size doses are both of you taking? It sounds interesting!
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   Posted 1/5/2016 8:57 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLND has me on 1 capsule 3x a day. I'm using Thorne's. I think they're 500mg each. I'm super sensitive to stuff, so this might be the low side.
J. knotweed, motherwort, cat's claw, sida, alchornea, cryptolepis, hawthorne, cilantro, anise, nettle, C. senega, C. skullcap, houttuynia, kudzu, stephania, red root, vitamin C, E & D, calcium, Biosil, milk thistle, l-arginine, reduced glutathione, grape seed, curcumin, glucosamine MSM, magnesium citrate, salmon oil, green tea extract, hydroxyB12, methylfolate, B vitamins, CoQ10, selenium, zinc

Jackie Moon
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   Posted 1/5/2016 11:42 PM (GMT -6)   
I started low around 1000mg then went up to 5000mg. I usually have to take gluatathione later in the day to flush the toxins that come out of my brain. This seems to work really well for brain buzzing, burning,pressure, and concentration. For some reason my poor methylation always seems to store up toxins in the back side of my brain that nothing else gets rid of ( bartonella side effect? IDK ). I thought I was the only one using Phosphatidylcholine through my LLMD but it sounds like more LLMDS LLNDS are talking about its benefits lately.
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   Posted 1/6/2016 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the information!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Jackie Moon
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   Posted 1/7/2016 12:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Thanks for the information!!



Hey Trav I know you have methylation issues just as I do. Did you LLND give you an herbal "equivalent" to this for aggressive detoxing your brain after bart / babs kills??????????

Just wondering. Phosphatidylcholine is some strong stuff and I would think some herbs have similar detox properties for brain.

JMoon
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   Posted 1/7/2016 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
No, since I was the first Lyme patient she had knowingly treated, she pretty much left the detoxing up to me other than what she could help with by using acupuncture. I just had to work extra hard to detox as fast as I could in order to get my brain detoxed as well. Not a pretty picture! LOL!

But I have been told that kudzu can be helpful - just 1/4 tsp a day though.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15
*I can usually post a link to any info that I post. Wish to see a link? Please just ask!

Jackie Moon
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   Posted 1/7/2016 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok thanks!

I could see acupuncture or even a chiropractor helping ( get your spine in line ) a lot with detoxing more efficiently.

I have a couple of links to LLMDs using Phosphatidylcholine IV if anyone is interested. It is a very difficult process ( like EDTA ) but the end result for me is night and day better with nightmare brain symptoms. I was suffering from bartonella encephalitis as you can see in my old posts. The more I mentioned Phosphatidylcholine the more Lyme patients I have connected with that also find it helps them. I really hope it can help some other people find relief.
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Leecarol
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   Posted 8/20/2017 7:53 AM (GMT -6)   
My son has improved on oral phosphatidylcholine. I give him the brand BodyBio which is $200 per bottle. Has anyone had success with another brand taken orally?
More importantly, what is the cost of the iv phos? And could you share the names of the doctors who do this treatment?

Thank you.
Lee

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/22/2017 12:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Leecarol said...
My son has improved on oral phosphatidylcholine. I give him the brand BodyBio which is $200 per bottle. Has anyone had success with another brand taken orally?
More importantly, what is the cost of the iv phos? And could you share the names of the doctors who do this treatment?

Thank you.
Lee


bump, in cased OP is still around

Girlie
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   Posted 10/22/2017 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis - are you talking about Jackie Moon? (The OP) He comes around now and then - the last time was in August of this year.

or Leecarol? Leecarol hasn't been on since this post.
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Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/22/2017 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Lapis - are you talking about Jackie Moon? (The OP) He comes around now and then - the last time was in August of this year.

or Leecarol? Leecarol hasn't been on since this post.


yes, J moon. curious about IV choline

Aerose91
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   Posted 10/22/2017 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
darn, i did very high dose PC for a few months about 3 years ago. Didn't do squat for me. Congrat.s on seeing improvement tho!

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/22/2017 6:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
darn, i did very high dose PC for a few months about 3 years ago. Didn't do squat for me. Congrat.s on seeing improvement tho!


try combining it with Hyuperzine A + EGCG

also, was it alpha GPC or plain old choline? choline by itself does almost nothing, research shows.

Jackie Moon
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   Posted 10/23/2017 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
IV Phosphatidylcholine is pretty pricey. I think it was like $400-500. I am not aware of an oral version.

I was at a couple of long term Lyme clinics that gave it to me. Most LLMDs don't love to give it because it is caustic ( it eats the IV bag if you don't mix it just right so you need to know what you are doing with it ).

It worked pretty good for me but I am at a Bartonella specific doctor now that said to avoid IV Phosphatidylcholine if you have Bartonella because of a chemical it removes from your brain that CAN give Bartonella patients a lot of problems.

I can't remember the name of the chemical but this information was based on some recent studies on Bartonella only. People that have just Lyme can have pretty good success with IV Phosphatidylcholine.

Hogwild
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   Posted 12/16/2017 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Jackie Moon:

Please, could you elaborate on that warning about when not to use choline? I could really use that information right now.

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   Posted 12/16/2017 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Howdy Hogwild. Glad you joined us. Jackie Moon has not been on for a long time. But I think you may be able to send an email See the blue envelope under the screen name? Click on that and see if the email address is still active.

Glad you joined us.
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