Joint damage (hip labral tears/detachemt) should I add a natural protocol?

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ShmilyKate
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   Posted 5/15/2016 9:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been dx with Lyme and Babesia, though I have some symptoms of Bart as well. Overall I have improved about 50% in the past 7 months but I am now facing hip arthroscopy next month due to my hip issue (partial thickness labral detachment and another labral tear, both in right hip. So I KNOW there is damage being done, not just felt.

I am wondering if it is time to try a 'protocol' like Beuhners or Jernigans, in addition to my antibiotics but I know nothing about them or how to get them. I feel like the Lyme is winning, I just can't get ahead of it. I think I have a left rotator SLAP tear, and now my other hip is starting to hurt! It really NEVER ends does it?

Help and advice would be appreciated.

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   Posted 5/15/2016 9:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh my I am so sorry about your surgery and possibly another surgery??? Goodness sake!

I am assuming that you are on antibiotics right now and it will not hurt you to be on Buhner's herbal protocol at the same time.

However, you need to check for possible interactions with whatever they give you for the hip surgery. I do not know about that. I am thinking you will have to look up the herb and see what it says.

ShmilyKate
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   Posted 5/16/2016 6:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Where do I find out about the protocols? Do I need to buy a book or are they online somewhere? Thanks

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   Posted 5/16/2016 8:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I bought Buhner's books. His latest book is Healing Lyme, second edition and it has his protocol in it. He has a web site and that has a lot of information too, but it was created before his new book came out. Great information though.
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evianangel
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   Posted 5/16/2016 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi I'm doing buhner's protocol and I have bad joint involvement too. I'm doing his core lyme protocol, well working my way into it. I can't find my book at the moment but I think he recommends teasel root tincture for arthritis. I want to try that soon.

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   Posted 5/16/2016 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Teasel is very helpful for arthritic type issues for many people.

I too would encourage you to give Buhner's protocol a try as he's said that it's very safe to use with pharma abx while treating these infections. As PeteZa cautioned though, you will have to check as some may be an issue if you are having surgery as some of the herbs have a blood thinning property to them, plus there may be other concerns with meds that you are given during or after surgery.

You also might want to consider adding a collagen support. Lyme does love collagen. "Collagen is the most abundant protein in the human body and is the substance that holds the whole body together. It is found in the bones, muscles, skin and tendons, where it forms a scaffold to provide strength and structure."
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/262881.php
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

ShmilyKate
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   Posted 5/16/2016 11:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Collagen support like glucosamine and chondroitin?
RN with Hashimoto's, Lyme Carditis and co-infections. Known tick attachement/bite April 2015, illness 'started' September 2015.

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   Posted 5/16/2016 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Those are more for joint support. Here are Buhner's recommendations: buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/collagen-support/

Some people will just take a collagen powder. Here is a search I did for posts on here about it: goo.gl/Kn9UZU

I hope it helps!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

ShmilyKate
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   Posted 5/16/2016 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Traveler =)
RN with Hashimoto's, Lyme Carditis and co-infections. Known tick attachement/bite April 2015, illness 'started' September 2015.

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   Posted 5/16/2016 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
You're very welcome! Hopefully, I was at least able to give you some food for thought!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

bleepitybleep
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   Posted 10/28/2017 7:22 AM (GMT -6)   
ShmilyKate
How has your hip issue been? I hope you are doing better.
I too have multiple tendon/cartilage problems including a small tear in my hip from a MRI 6 months ago. I've been doing PT w/a PT who specializes in manual therapy, but I still cannot walk far or do any other exercise. I'm thankful to just get around with my young kids at all. I can only do the basics.

Did you look into PRP? I'm scared to dicuss anything about Lyme w/the ortho docs b/c the ID doc listed on my chart that I don't have Lyme even though my WB from their hospital showed positive for Lyme & active Rickettsia (AKA rocky mountain spotted fever, but ELISA was negative so, of course, ID docs basically say you're "crazy" & do not have Lyme). I am concerned the surgery just wouldn't work well for me b/c I'm too compromised and couldn't handle crutches. I know hip replacement surgery rehab time is much less than labrum repair, but then can Lyme patients handle a hip replacement? I'm in my early 40s and don't care if a hip replacemebnt only lasts 15 years b/c 15 years getting around decently to care for my children at this point would be a Godsend. I don't expect to make it 5 years at this point if I don't get some relief.


Any thoughts?

ShmilyKate
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   Posted 10/28/2017 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Bleepity,
Well, the hip I had surgery on is ok, the issue I had initially is resolved. However I was diagnosed 4 months ago with Psoriatic Arthritis, which explains my constant joint issues and constant fatigue. I have had adverse reactions to leflunamide, methotrexate, plaquinil and now Enbrel so right now I am waiting to see my rheumatologist next week to find out the next step as the Enbrel made me neutropenic.
The hip labral repair and trochanteric bursectomy that I had was done laproscopically. The first couple days were rough, but overall it healed quickly and again, solved the problem...at least for now. I tried PT and steroid injections prior to the surgery, and neither offered any relief. If you have an MRI which shows damage (my MRI did too), then I recommend you try to find an orthopedic doc who specializes in laproscopic hip procedures.
The only thing that helped my hip was surgery. Hang in there and keep looking.

bleepitybleep
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   Posted 10/28/2017 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
ShmilyKate,
Thanks for the update. I am sorry about the psoriatic arthritis. My brother in CO has it and somehow he went from pain to finding the right medicines (injections?) so that he has been able to run marathons, 10Ks, etc. on a regular basis. I hope you find the right medicines from your provider.

Your surgery sounds like it went pretty well for the hip. I've heard (and read on the surgeon's website... near me who is considered the area's best) to expect crutches for 3-4 months! How long were you on crutches? I don't think I'd handle crutches for 3-4 hours let alone months b/c I have tendinosis (beyond tendinitis) in my opposite achilles. Pretty sure I'd be in a wheelchair. That's why I'm so hesitant about surgery.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/28/2017 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
here is how to support the connective tissue lyme eats

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3934933

ShmilyKate
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   Posted 10/28/2017 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Bleepity,
I couldn't do crutches much at all as I had a torn rotator cuff on my left shoulder. I used a walker for the first few days and then went to one crutch and then a cane within a week. I probably rushed it a bit, but with the rotator cuff tear I had to pick my battles. I actually only NEEDED the walker for the first couple days, so I kept moving to a minimum for the first week.
I started PT I think the second week and by the end of the second week I didn't even need the cane. I guess I had a great surgeon, and I healed quick. All in all it was a very quick recovery for me. Of course, that is just my experience...and actually my only quick surgical recovery. I had my R rotator cuff repaired twice in 2003, and again in 2004. My left shoulder in Sep 2015, and I need it done again as it is torn in 3 places in addition to the labrum and I am putting it off as long as I can as the recovery from that was nearly unbearable.
Hashimoto's, Lyme Carditis and co-infections. Known tick nymph deer tick attachement/bite April 2015, illness 'started' September 2015. Labral injury and repair R hip (post infection), R shoulder labral tears, calcific tendinitis, bursitis (post infection), Chronic T-wave inversions in all leads on EKG with 'perfectly normal angiogram'

bleepitybleep
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   Posted 4/13/2018 9:38 AM (GMT -6)   
ShmilyKate,
May I ask in which state did you have your hip labral surgery? Thanks for you info. I've been holding off b/c I had other issues slowing me down (neck locked up & vertigo following a dose of doxy... literally vertigo everyday and pretty extreme head/neck pressure for 6 months until a new PT helped me!). Started to slowly exercise and it flared up my feet. PT sent me to doc... doc says he's more worried about my hip. Only 3 docs in this state NC do that surgery...
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