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nbabz
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Posted 7/25/2016 8:50 AM (GMT -7)
Fist - I am so thankful to have found this forum!! I have been suffering from mystery illness for 3 years (severe) probably since childhood with many other things.

I grew up in a wooded area and was bit by ticks and other lovely things throughout my childhood and into my teen years. My mom would remove 1-2 ticks off of me per week. She does not remember any of the bites resulting in a bullseye but I did get bit often for many many years. I have had some severe reactions to spider bites and am severely allergic to bees and wasps.

My symptoms started with chest pains, panic type symptoms when I was younger. I also started having back pain at age 14. I played a lot of sports and also noticed shortness of breath, stiffness and just couldn't keep up like everyone else despite daily workouts ect. I had chronic urinary tract infections, bacterial infections, gastro issues, ect. They thought for a while I had an ulcer.

I joined the Navy out of High School and while in bootcamp I was always way behind the pack - and it was painful to my body to run. I never got used boot camp training in the 8 weeks I was there. My body would burn and my lungs and chest would hurt. My toes would go numb and I would get very weak. Ofcourse I went to the dr who never gave me any real answers.

Fast forward and now I am 35 years old and feel like the walking dead. 3 years ago my symptoms went in a downward spiral. I was a swim coach working an an indoor pool environment with very poor air circulation and was heavily exposed to chloramines. It was summer championships 2013. I have never been the same since. I tried going back to coaching after that season but by December 2013 I was very ill. Just the slightest hint of a chloramine gas in the pool air sent me into bronchiospasms, hives, dizziness, panic, shortness of breath, ect. I have since quite my coaching position but some of the symptoms continued. As long as I am away from indoor pools I typically do ok with breathing (although still not great). However I started with new worsening symptoms. The worst is vertigo, and trouble initiating the swallowing reflex. My body burns (hips) I have this strange heart palpitation things that happens where it feels like I am being suffocating around my neck and my heart skips beats. I have been diagnosed with Silent GERD and take meds for that with little improvement. I have severe chest wall pain deep in my chest with ribcage pain. I also have lumps and bumps all over my body that my primary care just calls limpomas. They are tender and hurt to touch. I also have these in my chest area - Dr thought they were breast lumps. Went for Ultrasound and Mamogram but they found nothing - not even fibrocystic breasts. My voice is hoarse and raspy, sometimes I feel like my body is vibrating. I have tendinitis, plantar faschitis, degenerative disc disease, insulin resistance, chronic anemia (that no one can figure out), low vitamin D, and high testosterone. I have lost 1/2 my hair in the past 3 years. I have to pee every 30 minutes (sometimes 10-20), I have terrible body odor and bad breath. I have had so many tests all normal with the exception of the blood work I just named. This past January Dr's removed my gall bladder thinking a large stone was causing some of my issues. Symptoms did not improve.

I currently take:
Flinstone vitamins with iron
Prilosec 20 mg 2x's per day
500 mg metformin
400 mg ibuprofen for pain
ativan .5 mg as needed for vertigo and sleep issues

I am now searching for a Dr. I am concerned with the cost. I live in the Cincinnati Ohio area and have 3 options. All of which are $450.00 and up and none that have great reviews. I was wondering if I should have primary care run the Lyme test to save on the costs. Also what if the tests are negative? Then where do I go from there? If I don't have Lyme than so be it - but I have so many of the symptoms and given the fact I have been bitten many times It seems likely I could have this.

Desperate for answers and for my life back!
Blessings,
NB
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robby vieira
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:07 AM (GMT -7)
Igenex is the test that you have to take... it will cost you around 300. Don't even waist your time with the other ones. Google it get the kit take to your doc to sign it for you and wait for the results. I tested negative 2 times using Elisa. I'm not a doctor but I think that you have Lyme.
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k07
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:25 AM (GMT -7)
If you can't talk doc into it you can order it yourself through true health labs. On their website you can see if they have a lab near you. It's a little more expensive than going through your doc but you won't have to mess with the stress of convincing your doc.

www.truehealthlabs.com/searchresults.asp?Submit=Go&Search=Lyme

Also, I'm aware of a decent lyme doc in columbus but I think he's about $700 for first appt.
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Girlie
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:33 AM (GMT -7)
Welcome to our community, nbabz. I'm glad you found us here.

Wow, you've had such rough time...so sorry!

I think it is wise of you to get tested for lyme disease with Igenex Lab.

Since money is tight, the best 'bang for the buck' is the Lyme Western Blot IgM and IgG for a total cost of $210.
(plus extra if you have to pay for the blood draw)

Do you think your Dr. will sign the lab req? If not, then you can look at the link that k07 posted (True Health Labs)

The results from Igenex will take about 3 weeks.
You can post your results here on the forum and we can help decipher them.

Because you are new here, it would be helpful for you to read through the "New to Lyme?..Start here!" thread - at the top of the page. It's packed full of useful information.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14; added biaxin Sept. 26/14 Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.; Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin); Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif; Nov. switched mino to biaxin.
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Girlie
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:34 AM (GMT -7)
Here is the link to the Igenex website - you can call them and have them send the test kit.


www.igenex.com
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14; added biaxin Sept. 26/14 Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.; Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin); Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif; Nov. switched mino to biaxin.
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nbabz
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:58 AM (GMT -7)
Thank You all so much!! When I go to my Dr do I request the Igenex testing? I did find a regular MD here in Cincinnati but he only uses the ELISA tests ( I want to stay away from him right?)

It is this guy:
https://www.trihealth.com/dailyhealthwire/miscellaneous/Lyme-Disease--What-You-Need-to-Know.aspx
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sebreg
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Posted 7/25/2016 9:59 AM (GMT -7)
Given your history and symptoms I would strongly suspect borrelia and or coinfections. Testing is very imperfect for these pathogens, but getting the igenex test would be a good first step. And if it is not possible to see an llmd/llnd, I would recommend looking into pursuing some sort of herbal treatments. Stephen Buhner has some great protocols and books on treating lyme and coinfections. One thing that can be indicative of underlying infections is if you take an antimicrobial and herx (your symptoms flare or get worse). Not everyone herxes, but if you do, it can serve as confirmation of infection.
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Little Bear (LB)
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Posted 7/25/2016 10:02 AM (GMT -7)
Hi nbabz!-

Welcome to our community! I am so sorry to hear about all your health issues. A lot of us here can relate.(((Hugs!)))

Please take a look at the "New to Lyme?....Start Here!" thread. It is located at the top of this forum. It has a lot of information about symptoms, co infections, probiotics, and detoxing, and so much more.

The following information, I copied from Traveler. She is a moderator here.:

"For information on finding an ILADS (International Lyme and Associated Disease Society) trained Lyme Literate Medical Doctor (LLMD) in your area, you will need to enable your email option in your profile in order to receive any recommendations, as we don't allow doctor's names and contact information to be posted on the forum for several reasons.

To enable your email:

1. Click on "my profile"
2. Click on"edit profile"
3. Click on "show my email"
4. Click on"submit"

You can email the Tick -Borne Disease Alliance at medicalinfo@tbdalliance.org for LLMD referrals and you can go to tbd alliance.org to learn more about these infections.

You can go to The Lyme Disease Associations and search for LLMD's 3 times in a month. You have to register first. Here is the link : www.lymediseaseassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=277&Itemid=74

ILADS has their own referral system as well: ilads.org/ilads_media/physician-referral/

And a new resource: www.LymeDoc.org

You will want to find a well trained doctor, not one that has self proclaimed themselves as a LLMD or an ID Doctor (Infectious Disease Doctor), as ID docs believe Lyme is hard to catch and easy to treat, and don't believe it be reality of chronic Lyme. Go to the ILADS site to read the new (2014) Treatment guidelines to get you started on your healing journey: www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf "
___________________________________________

You can also start a new thread and ask: Looking for LLMD in/around ___________.
Fill in the blank with your closest city or state.

Best Wishes!
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Girlie
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Posted 7/25/2016 10:04 AM (GMT -7)
When you go to your Dr. ask him if he will sign the Igenex Lab test req. for Lyme. Have the lab req with you.

The ELISA test isn't good enough - especially from a lab that isn't Igenex. The 'regular' MD most likely isn't using Igenex.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14; added biaxin Sept. 26/14 Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.; Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin); Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif; Nov. switched mino to biaxin.
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Pirouette
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Posted 7/25/2016 10:22 AM (GMT -7)
Hi nbabz--

All good input already. I just wanted to add:

It can often take months to get into see a lyme specialist - but this is not time lost - there are several things you can do while you are waiting that can help you get a great start:

Self-education
It is VERY probable that you have many dysfunctions and system failures going on, with very probable underlying tick-borne infections. So, you're doing the right thing by investigating the cause but make no mistake - you are going to also have to address the various system issues going on, which could be even more complicated.

It's important to keep the complexity of your health systems in mind because lyme is most often a clinical diagnosis--meaning, tests are roughly inaccurate 50% of the time (producing false negatives) and MDs are supposed to diagnose you based on your history, proximity to endemic areas or history with tick bites and use the test results as a backup - not as sole indicators. With your VERY complex health issues, this might not be easy for even the best lyme specialist. It's best for you to do your homework... we can help! This is something you can work on "while you wait". Like Girlie mentioned--I'd start with the "New to Lyme?" thread and then ask any questions that help you with your unique conditions.

Documentation
A good lyme specialist will focus diagnosis on a clinical review that includes an in-depth health history AND very detailed symptom review. Some MDs have forms you fill out--many don't. You can jump start this by filling out the Jernigan's symptom evaluation and take a copy of it with you to your appt--or mail this info into your LLMD a few weeks before (my LLMD required new lyme patients to mail in info weeks beforehand, which gave her an opportunity to review the information and prepare beforehand so that during your appt she could focus on specific questions and dialogue with you).
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3033860

These symptom lists also help prompt you to identify other symptoms not listed. It's also important to identify your history with ticks much like you did in your post. And a more detailed explanation and sequence of your symptom history will be very beneficial to your MD.

I've yet to see a symptom questionnaire as good as my LLMD's but it's copyrighted so I can't share it publicly. The difference was that she had the patient identify the severity of the symptom and the frequency ---this is important for helping to identify the dominant tick infection, which cues which treatment to start with, and the frequency can also indicate which infection is dominant due to the life/reproduction cycles understood about various pathogens.

Underlying causes
Most ticks carry more than just the lyme microbe - they carry numerous other pathogens including bacteria, fungus, viruses, protozoa, the list goes on. tick borne infections. There are generally a few categories of the origin or cause of symptoms for lymees and having a good idea of where your symptoms fall into these categories is helpful to understand what infections or underlying causes you might be dealing with and what body systems need priority to facilitate the most beneficial response from treatment:

1) the symptoms caused by pathogens transmitted from the tick bite - lyme, babesia, erlichiosis

2) viruses like EBV or herpes strains that most people carry but lie dormant until the immune system becomes weak, these can also really overwhelm your body and be dominant and can also be carried and transmitted by the ticks

3) impact of the infections can disrupt body systems - it is very common for lymees to have endocrine issues, gut issues, etc. Since 70% of our immune system IS our gut and everything we eat and all supplements and medications are taken orally and need to be absorbed properly, gut health is absolutely critical.

4) the illness itself and the treatment as well can often cause significant inflammation, which can trigger other symptoms and autoimmune problems, or mast-cell disorder; many people develop yeast/fungal problems from the tick infections or from antibiotic treatment that can mimic lyme & co symptoms and disrupt healing.

Testing
I also highly recommend getting some IGeneX testing done ASAP. That will help get your foot in the door (not always--even ID docs refute positive lyme tests, but a good lyme specialist will know how to interpret your results correctly as well as most members here!)

Detoxing
You can also start detoxing to help your body with some of the issues you're currently dealing with and also to better prepare it for treatment time (this is beneficial regardless of whether or not you end up treating for lyme & coinfections or something else).

Diet
Again, since our gut is really the gate keeper for being and regaining health, it's sometimes helpful to focus on this first. Diet is important for anyone with a chronic illness but critical for lyme & co treatment. Many people overlook this thinking it's just a thing people say, but most members here can attest to feeling improvement--sometimes dramatically--when certain foods are eliminated and other foods are prioritized. Lots of good info in the "NtL?" thread.

Hope this is helpful!! If not, just keep asking questions...

-p
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k07
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Posted 7/25/2016 10:26 AM (GMT -7)
You should definitely call and request a kit from IGeneX right away. In my experience it takes a week to get it. Look it over and make sure you take it with you to doctor. Fill it out in advance too. The doc only has to fill out a small portion. If they have lab in office you can draw then. Or he will send you to lab. You will then have to package up and drop off at fedex.
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nbabz
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Posted 7/25/2016 11:17 AM (GMT -7)
I am sitting here almost in tears at the amount of support and information that you all have given me in just a few hours!!

I just emailed my primary care requesting the Igenex test. If he won't order it for me then I will order it myself and ask him to sign it for the lab.

I have read over the New To Lyme area - so much great information!!

I will be taking this week to go over everything. Next week we will be on vacation so will have more time to study, pray, research and start a budget savings for this new path to answers!
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nbabz
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Posted 7/25/2016 11:25 AM (GMT -7)
I forgot to mention I had shingles this past February. I thought I was little young to be getting shingles but now this would help answer that one. I've also developed eczema, and other weird skin rashes and allergies.

When I was tested for allergies my total Immunoglulin E was High at 404. I also tested positive for mold, dust and cockroach allergy. Not sure if they are related at all.
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Little Bear (LB)
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Posted 7/25/2016 1:01 PM (GMT -7)
Hi nbabz!-

I am so sorry to hear that you also had shingles, and suffer from other skin issues. My goodness!!!

I am glad that you got tested for mold. Lyme disease and co infections can weaken our immune systems. I have seen other's post here about getting tested for mold.

When you get an appointment with a LLMD, please take along all this valuable information. So they will know more about your health and how to better treat you.

I also wanted to mention that some people here see a Lyme Literate Naturopath Doctor (LLND). I think that they do an herbal protocol.

There is also a Lyme and co infection protocol by Buhner. I think that he has 3 books about treating Lyme disease with herbs. There are some people here that are treating themselves.

So, there are many different ways to go about with treatment.

I know that this is a lot of information to take in, and can be overwhelming!

Please try to not get stressed out! I know that it is easier said than done, but Lyme and stress are best friends. Stress can cause your symptoms to flare up.

Best Wishes!
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Posted 7/25/2016 1:27 PM (GMT -7)
Here is a recent post by astroman that talks about Advanced Labs. They are supposed to be very good...in fact may take over the Igenex top spot. It seems as though people are gravitating here.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3260300
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robby vieira
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Posted 7/25/2016 5:23 PM (GMT -7)
Go to the Igenex website call them... and they will send it to you right away. Don't wait for your doctor.....
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nbabz
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Posted 7/26/2016 6:41 AM (GMT -7)

Krimpet said...
Here is a recent post by astroman that talks about Advanced Labs. They are supposed to be very good...in fact may take over the Igenex top spot. It seems as though people are gravitating here.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3260300

Thank You! I went to the advanced labs website but don't see a lymes test kit. Maybe I am not looking in the correct place.
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nbabz
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Posted 7/26/2016 6:59 AM (GMT -7)

robby vieira said...
Go to the Igenex website call them... and they will send it to you right away. Don't wait for your doctor.....

We don't have the extra $$ right now - so I emailed the Dr in hopes he could possibly order it for me and bill my insurance. As you can imagine we already have tons of medical bills racked up from all the different issues I have. Fingers toes and eyes crossed my primary Dr will at least help me with the testing!
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Little Bear (LB)
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Posted 7/26/2016 9:28 AM (GMT -7)
Hi nbabz!-

If your GP does agree to order the Igenex test for you, please make sure to get a copy of the Igenex test results for yourself!!!

The doctor might not be familiar with reading these results, and tell you that you tested negative.

I have read other people's posts about getting their Igenex signed by a Chiropractor. Just another thought if your GP is unwilling to sign.

There are bands on the Igenex test that are specific to Lyme disease.

Here are some website that people here go to check Igenex results:

lymetwistontherocks.blogspot.com/2011/01/western-blots-what-do-all-of-those-darn.html

www.oocities.org/hotsprings/oasis/6455/western-blot.txt

On the bottom of my Igenex test it says: " Diagnosis should not be based on laboratory tests alone. Results should be interpreted in conjunction with clinical symptoms and patient history."

Best Wishes!
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nbabz
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Posted 7/27/2016 7:44 AM (GMT -7)
Thank You Little Bear! I did hear from my primary care Dr today and he is looking into the testing for me and said he would follow up with me on Friday. Praying that in his research he finds the test reliable and will order it for me!

I appreciate that he is open to researching it for me - I feel like that is a step in the right direction.

A friend of a friend has Lymes. Her primary care suspected it after she complained of knee pain and aching.. I am not sure what test she had but it came back positive and she was treated with antibiotics. She does not live in a wooded area nor does she ever remember being bitten by a tick. I admire that her Dr even suspected as it seems most wouldn't even think of it! I told her she must have an amazing Dr!!

I spoke with another holisitic Dr's office yesterday. Seems they do a lot of "selling" the customer on their packages. I don't like this at all. Not that I like having drugs pushed on me either by traditional docs, but this MLM type of infomercial feeling does not sit well with me and all of the holistic approaches have been this way. They first try to sell you on their models and beliefs do alot of marketing and persuasive tactics. I spent 30 minutes on a the phone with a women yesterday giving me her whole shpeel(spelling?)---- it was terrible. Pushy salesman type and is very unsettling. Feels cultish.

I just want to get the needed treatment and get better. That should not cost 850.00 (not including testing) out of my pocket - Why my insurance that I pay 450.00 a month won't pay for is beyond me. I dont' know the answer but this is really frustrating! Our healthcare system is a mess! Anyone here with better insurance options that cover more than just traditional medicine or ideas please chime in!

Rant over. Sigh!
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Little Bear (LB)
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Posted 7/27/2016 11:16 AM (GMT -7)
Hi nbabz!-

I also hope that your primary doctor will order the kit for you!! I'm sure that Friday can't come soon enough for you!!!

Your friend of a friend was very fortunate to treate for Lyme. I hope that she was on a high enough antibiotic and a long enough treatment for her Lyme disease.

Yeah, you don't have to live in a wooded area or be in a forest to get Lyme disease. There are people who have pets that might carry the ticks unknowingly. There is evidence of mosquitos having the Lyme bacteria, odds are high that it can be transmitted sexualy.

Ticks live on rodents. So every cute fluffy squirrel, mouse, or wild bunny running through our yard might brush off ticks on plants and shrubs around the house. Birds can also have ticks.

I am glad that you stuck with your gut feeling on the phone consultation with the doctor. We have to be very careful, because some people don't know how to treat Lyme disease properly. And want to sell us a bunch of magic that doesn't work.

It is okay that you rant! That's what we are here for also! :)

Lyme disease is a very frustrating disease financially, mentally, physically, and emotionally.

It is extremely sad how much we pay out of pocket for a doctor who can finally help us, medication, supplements, vitamins, herbs, and so much more.

And like you said, " I just want to get the needed treatment and get better."
We can ALL relate to this.

Best Wishes!
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nbabz
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Posted 7/29/2016 8:44 AM (GMT -7)
Dr. Called and will order ELISA testing - claimed that Is now the gold standard and that Igenex is no longer reputable and is too hard to read. I did share with them what I have learned here but since cdc and fda recommend ELISA that is what I will go with for now. She said that it will detect an old bite. We will see. I will still order igenex when money is available. My insurance will cover ELISA so no money out of my pocket.

You all are amazing here! I'm headed to the beach for the week and will get tested when we return! Blessings :-)
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Posted 7/29/2016 9:11 AM (GMT -7)
Hi, I just read that your Dr. finds Igenix unreliable.

Most Drs. say that. I could go into a lot of information about why you should not believe that.
You definitely need to find a LLMD because your Dr. does not know enough about Lyme.

I was told the same thing. And wasted a lot of money on tests. I was given the Elisa twice. Both times it read negative. I was encouraged by my Chiro to test through Igenix. I did and was positive for Lyme. I wasted years without treatment as I got worse. Now the treatment will take a lot longer. But I am in treatment and it is helping.

I am sorry that your Dr. will not do what you ask. Depending on where you are he may have his hands tied. In my state Drs. have lost their license for treating Lyme. I have no reason why, but there is a bias that is hard to overcome. My own Dr. told me he is glad that I am getting the help of a LLMD and agreed that his hands are tied.

Be sure and ask to see the copy of the test.

I wish you the best in your research.
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nbabz
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Posted 7/29/2016 10:35 AM (GMT -7)
Wow! That is incredibly sad to think they would lose their license over treatment methods! To me if the patient is choosing that testing then why in the world would a Dr get in trouble? We live in a time where patients are educating themselves so well that often they are educating the Dr and patient and Dr become a team to ensure best treatment.

Thankfully the ELISA tests will be covered, but like you said it does Prolong treatment. In my case I need time to save up and budget for the igenex so it will take time either way.

Blessings!!
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Posted 7/29/2016 10:44 AM (GMT -7)

Denikeef said...
Hi, I just read that your Dr. finds Igenix unreliable.

Most Drs. say that. I could go into a lot of information about why you should not believe that.
You definitely need to find a LLMD because your Dr. does not know enough about Lyme.

I was told the same thing. And wasted a lot of money on tests. I was given the Elisa twice. Both times it read negative. I was encouraged by my Chiro to test through Igenix. I did and was positive for Lyme. I wasted years without treatment as I got worse. Now the treatment will take a lot longer. But I am in treatment and it is helping.

I am sorry that your Dr. will not do what you ask. Depending on where you are he may have his hands tied. In my state Drs. have lost their license for treating Lyme. I have no reason why, but there is a bias that is hard to overcome. My own Dr. told me he is glad that I am getting the help of a LLMD and agreed that his hands are tied.

Be sure and ask to see the copy of the test.

I wish you the best in your research.

I'm sorry it took so long for your diagnosis :-( that is the most frustrating! Hopefully you will have a full recovery or at least feel mostly better!

I know even if I got 80% improvement I would have my life back. Dr claims ELISA 70% accurate. I wonder where their stats come from.

I'll be sure to get a copy and post results! Take care. Praying for us all!
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