Essential Oils and herbs for Lyme and Bart - Any suggestions?

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HippieChic50
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi,

I am trying to find out if anyone has had success using Essential Oils as a treatment plan for their Lyme Disease? Has anyone used raindrop therapy? Also looking for good, quality herbs that help and help with herxing?

My joints and muscles hurt all the time. My nerves are tingly and painful and the brain fog at times is terrible. I am 1 year and 4 months into treatment with a ton of different antibiotics and have been using Byron White A-Bart, Alka-Zelter Gold with a squeeze of fresh lemon, and Milk Thistle and Sarsaparilla Tea. My LLMD also has me on Lyme Factor Plus.

I eat a very healthy diet due to a lot of digestive issues and still have problems with my stomach and bowels.

Any help would be much appreciated !

project
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
I've used essential oils topically against Lyme for several years and have made a lot of progress with them.
For me I found that Thyme was the single most powerful oil based on herxing. However I generally combine it with others such as Lavender, Clove, Geranium, Black Pepper, and Rosemary.

I think the essential oils do have broad spectrum activity against Borrelia, and other bacteria, protozoa, fungi, and viruses. However after experience with various treatments I think where they really shine is in breaking up biofilm. I don't think any other anti-biofilm treatment (enzymes, cistus, etc) comes close. Although I haven't tried EDTA or serious chelators like it. There is an essential oil blend that is sold specifically for this purpose:

www.supremenutritionproducts.com/BFB/

I've also come across an old thread from someone who healed using essential oils primarily, it might be of interest to you:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/54139?

HippieChic50
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Artermix

Girlie
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Before I had the Lyme diagnosis - I bought some EO for my nerve pain.

I put them in my bath...and still do...not sure if they help or not:

Helichrysum, Marjoram, Lavender

You could also put them in a carrier oil and lightly massage on an area that you're having nerve issues.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14; added biaxin Sept. 26/14 Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.; Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin); Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif; Nov. switched mino to biaxin.

3HumpedCamel
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
I love raindrop therapy. There isn't anyone around us who does it anymore, which is sad. I actually have had my spousal unit do a couple on me since I've been treating Lyme, but the massage part is lacking and I don't get the result I did with the trained masseuse.

We were introduced to oils when our dog got sick. They helped tremendously with him... and I figure the dog isn't making it up, LoL... so we started using them for specific things, like my anxiety issues. If I diffuse the peace & calming at night, I am out like a light, with no anxiety.

That being said, I don't see them working alone to fix Lyme. I think they are more of a tool to help control certain symptoms like anxiety and boost your overall immune system with Raindrop.

HippieChic50
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   Posted 9/12/2016 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks project

I have tried raindrop therapy twice and the therapist used oregano oil and thyme. This first time I had a huge herx reaction. The second time I didn't notice anything at all, so it made me wonder if it was really working?
DX in 2008 - Lyme / Bart - was not treated properly and systems got worse. Finally found a doctor in 2015 who would listen and confirmed Lyme Disease. Treated with antibiotics and supplements since 2015. And Byron White A-Bart formula for past 8 months. Seeking more natural / holistic approach to beating this disease and getting those little buggers into hibernation.

HippieChic50
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   Posted 9/12/2016 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Girlie and 3HumpedCamel.

I'll give the oils in my bath a try and will try the rain drop therapy again.
DX in 2008 - Lyme / Bart - was not treated properly and systems got worse. Finally found a doctor in 2015 who would listen and confirmed Lyme Disease. Treated with antibiotics and supplements since 2015. And Byron White A-Bart formula for past 8 months. Seeking more natural / holistic approach to beating this disease and getting those little buggers into hibernation.

project
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   Posted 9/12/2016 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
@artemix - I think using them topically anywhere on the body in a carrier will cause them to absorb. The soles of the feet are just a bit tougher so can handle stronger oils. I find that I can use oregano oil on my soles but not elsewhere.

3HumpedCamel
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   Posted 9/12/2016 2:07 PM (GMT -6)   
The soles of the feet have all the systemic meridians. That's why many topical applications are there. I use oils in my epsom soaks, and diffuse them at night. We also swear by lavender for burns or insect bites, directly on the burn or bite. Also, my hubby used oregano on a wart and it went away in a couple days. So, we use them specifically.

I think they're a great addition for another detox, but I don't see it as a cure all. I could be wrong, but for me multiple modalities seem to be needed together

ArtAngel
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   Posted 9/12/2016 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I took an enteric coated capsule for Oregano Oil and I did herx from it. Although a few months on I could feel it burning sensitive areas internally after taking it so I had to stop. I have used them topically and with a carrier oil on my feet and over my wrist where I have tendonitus. I think it is helping with the tendonitus. I have never found the big changes people say you can get. I do think it helps a little in some cases and is worth trying. These things all add up.

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 9/12/2016 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been using essential oils for some months now, and, while I can't say that they're given me a whole lot of my health back, I can say that there's a strong possibility that they could.

I, like many here, have many issues, there's not just one aspect to my health situation that I need to focus on in order to get better, and I feel that some of those things are standing in the way of the oils doing all that they could for me.

What I can say about them is that they are the best alternative method of combating these infections that I have used thus far. I've tried a slew of different herbs, in whole or pill form, made into teas, tinctures, etc. Nothing has worked as well or as consistently as the oils have. For whatever reason, I'd start taking a certain herb or tincture, and it'd work just fine, but then start to taper off, and I would eventually begin to feel the infections creeping their way back in. But, again, in their defense, there are many things that could play a part in something not working for you.

Anyway, I don't get that with the oils. Right now, at the very least, they've gotten rid of or lessened a few of my symptoms, and are keeping me in one spot, which gives me the opportunity to try and figure things out. I'm praying that this continues to be the case, because I have just about run through all of my options. I can't use tinctures anymore due to fungal/mold issues, multiple chemical sensitivity, something. I have tried so many different herbs. I can't afford a doctor/pharmaceutical medications, like ABX, parasite medications, etc.

I'm kind on my last leg. So, yeah. They've kept me alive, and could ultimately go on to maybe even give me a good level of health back, while I wait until I can afford a doctor and/or the world's response to Lyme changes. One day, I might be able to say that essential oils saved my life. In a way, they already have, but you know what I mean.

But, to wrap things up, what I WAS using for a few months:

Thieves or, if using doTerra's products, On Guard, peppermint, tea tree oil (have heard it's good for biofilms), oregano, lemon, Frankincense.

They worked okay, but I wasn't sure if I was doing things right. Too much can be counterproductive, too little just right, depending on the oil. Combining them could be a good thing, or could render certain oils useless. I didn't feel comfortable throwing things together without some type of order or structure, beyond X amount of drops X times a day.

So, I started looking into the protocols put together by others.. with more of that structure, I kind of drew something up (and am still in the process of doing that actually), and started from there.

I'm using these to try and put something together:

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3512208

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2788898

http://livininthelymelight.blogspot.com/2013/12/essential-oils-for-lyme-disease.html

Essential Oils and Lyme (support group)

That's a Facebook group for people with Lyme who're using essential oils to treat. There's a protocol pinned to the front page of it. I would start there.

The protocol listed on the Facebook group is what I'm doing now. Once I get to a certain point with it and other aspects of my health (getting detox and methylation measures more consistent), I plan on using the other links provided to slightly alter what the protocol will have me doing (basically, I am just gonna add an oil or two).

The protocol has you starting on an oil called DDR Prime, which is a blend of a few different herbs. It's strong stuff. Smells like the pink bubblegum too.

You start with one drop on your foot at night, for a week, then two drops the second week, etc. Once you hit 4, then you start doing 1 drop in the morning as well, all the way up to 4. If you find you are herxing too much, it's advised that you stay on the amount of drops or decrease until you feel you can handle more.

Once you get up to 4 in the morning, 4 at night, you start taking them internally.

After a certain amount of time with that, you add in other oils on a 2 week cycle, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off (this is where I plan to do some modification, with different oils and pulsing schedule).

It's like a 7 month thing, all charted out.

If I had to start treatment all over again, I would skip everything else, and start with the oils, joining that Facebook group.

But, again, as you may be aware, it's more than just killing, and, while some of these oils have supportive qualities, you will probably need a number of other supplements along the way. I take a lot of things for digestive issues, methylation, any possible vitamin or mineral deficiencies, etc, and I think a need a lot more, if I'm gonna wanna get much better. That, or just different combinations, timing, something. There's a lot of ways to look at the health picture.

Anyway, I hope that this helps you a little bit. If not, apologies.. and apologies, if it's messy or whatever.

Best wishes!

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   Posted 9/12/2016 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been dabbling with EOs these past few years. I'm definitely on the fence for them. For some things, they haven't helped at all. For other things, they do help!

For lyme in general - we have seen no benefit from using various ones over the years. For general viruses, again - no real noticeable benefit.
For skin issues, I have tried tea tree oil for numerous things, and I have seen no benefit from using it. (I don't get it because tea tree oil is often raved upon, but it just never really seemed to help us.)

I have used EOs for some nerve damage done by a bad dental experience (after daily pain for several weeks and dentist failed to help me resolve it)... this was like a "miracle" cure for me, to be quite honest, because nothing else worked. I was quite impressed!!

I have used diluted peppermint oil for insect/mosquito bites, and this seems really effective. I have used various EOs for repellants, and they were epic failures (as evident by the insane amount of bites).

There is a lot of controversy about using EOs appropriately. I just dove into research and figured out how I was comfortable using them.
We don't take them orally (in general), but they are in a few supplements we have taken in the past.
I will throw them into our Epsom salts (for foot soaks/tubs) occasionally.
I will use them in the car too.

So, we have mixed experiences and opinions about using them! :)
I definitely appreciate the fragrance though (as I do not like or use any chemical fragrances!).
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, improved now but not fully well
Kid#2: Very very sick now despite being treated for years
Kid#3: Was doing very well (ironically had the least and shortest treatment) - but is starting to relapse
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, and yeast issues

LizBee
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   Posted 9/14/2016 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello!

ARTHRITIS& MUSCLE PAIN: try an oil called tei fu. It has been a life saver for us. My boyfriend and I both have lyme, he uses it for joint pain in his hands, we both use it for muscle aches and it even works wonders on menstrual cramps. I don't take OTC pain meds any more and I used to be woken up from the pain, in tears, nothing would help and then we found the tei fu!

STOMACH & BOWELS: Not an oil, but you could try intestinal soothe and build from a company called nature's sunshine. It can literally rebuild and regrow digestive tissue. Lyme can cause ulcerative colitis aka IBD. IBD is thought be cause by the body reacting to an illness with inflammation which would normally go away when the threat is gone. IBD occurs when the body doesn't reduce the inflammation OR one could assume when the body is in a permanent state of inflammation due to chronic lyme. My boyfriend is scheduled for tests for that later this week actually.

Good Luck! <3

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   Posted 9/15/2016 12:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi LizBee - Although this is your third post on the forum, I don't think you've been welcomed yet!

So...welcome to the community!


I hope you find this to be a great group of people ....lots of support and knowledge here.
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   Posted 9/15/2016 2:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Thieves has been a staple ...and trying frankensence on joints ...herbs for parasites maybhelp gut ..neem helped clear giardia ..and sweet annie for ascaris ...you can use dmso to carry them in its intense though be careful..on herx dan shen and palo azul have helped with red root and butterbur ..also mangosteen and royal jelly ...bee stings and ozone injections have helped joins some ..they are eating me alive ..msm ,glucosamine, high dose efa

Rasikan
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   Posted 1/24/2018 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All,
Ive heard about essential oils helping for many conditions but not sure how much is true.

/bloomingbreeze.com/pages/about-essential-oils

Do diffusers and these essential oils really help for this condition?

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   Posted 1/24/2018 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Rasikan - welcome to our community!


I think some people are actually taking some of the EO's internally, in addition to defusing .


I think it's a good adjunct...I haven't heard of anyone healing with just EO's alone.

I use some EO's in my bath - particularly lavender, Helichrysum, and Marjoram. - for nerve pain.

Are you currently in treatment with a LL Dr.?

Because you're new here, it would be helpful for you to read through the information in the thread: "new to lyme?...Start Here!" it's packed full of useful information.

Keep reading, posting...and ask any questions you have.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 1/25/2018 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
"Five Essential Oils for Stopping Relapsing Symptoms Caused by Lyme Disease That Thrives Despite Multiple Antibiotics" by Greg Lee.

"Microparticle “liposome” essential oils have demonstrated greater antimicrobial properties in lab studies In a recent study, five essential oils: oregano, clove bud, cinnamon bark, citronella, and geranium were more effective at eliminating persister forms of Lyme disease than the antibiotic daptomycin[17]. Many of these essential oils have been used safely for years in our food supply[18] and to help patients with Lyme disease to reduce relapsing symptoms[19]. These oils have multiple healing and infection fighting properties in lab and animal studies. [20]."

can't find the link to this article and its too large to cut and paste here.

Also see:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-five-essential-oils-cool-burning-pains-bartonella-greg-lee/

Greg has lots of good stuff on alternative treatment.
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