Anyone know how to remove alcohol from herbs/tinctures on the stove?

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sunny40
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   Posted 9/21/2016 1:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I have not done this in several years and forget. I use Byron White and Beyond balance formulas.

Do I put the drops in water in a cup and put the cup in a pot of boiling water for one minute?

Thanks in advance!

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   Posted 9/21/2016 1:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I actually put my herbs in hot (not boiling) water and let them stand for 10 minutes.


But, when it was discussed on this forum...there were some comments that it doesn't really work - there isn't an effective way to remove the alcohol .

I'm on the fence about it. i stopped doing it because I am currently not taking as many tinctures as I was previously...so I'm not getting a lot of alcohol.


I'm interested in what others have to say about it.
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Alchool evaporates.....so if you let it stand about one min or a little more ...it should evaporate.
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Artermix - Are you talking about one minute in boiling water - as Sunny posted?
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
no...just let it stand in the glass with water
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
What are the concerns with the alcohol?
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I think the main concern is that if you take Flagyl or Tindi as it can bring up nasty side effects

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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
From what I read, you should avoid heating tinctures, they will lose their effectiveness. Measure out your dose, close the bottle, and let the glass or whatever you're taking your dose in sit open for awhile. How long I could not find out.
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   Posted 9/21/2016 2:48 PM (GMT -6)   
it is usually 60 sec in a glass of water....
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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Artermix - 60 seconds can't be long enough?


Otherwise, when we're having an alcoholic beverage...one minute after it's poured...the alcohol is dissipated?


July - I don't think putting the tincture in hot...or very warm water does harm them...boiling them...might, though.
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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone actually had bad reactions when using tinctures along with flagyl or tini? I have been putting my tinctures in warm water out of paranoia, but unsure whether the amount of alcohol in a few droppers of tincture would actually cause issues.

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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Good conversation. Love hearing everybody's thoughts on this. I've been wondering this myself.

Admittedly, I wasn't waiting the minute or two. But after reading about it over and over, I've been waiting some minutes now. But I never fully understood whether a couple of minutes really made a difference in the alcohol amount?
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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Just did some rough calculations and each tincture dropper would be the alcohol equivalent of 1/30 of a beer (assuming 50% alcohol).

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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
It could be a problem when we're taking several tinctures - example if you take 10 tinctures - 1 1/2 dropperful 3X daily... then that's 45 droppers daily - equivalent to 1 1/2 beer a day. (using Project's calculation)
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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
No wonder Buhner is now writing books with titles like "Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm: Beyond the Doors of Perception into the Dreaming of Earth"

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   Posted 9/21/2016 3:58 PM (GMT -6)   
project said...
No wonder Buhner is now writing books with titles like "Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm: Beyond the Doors of Perception into the Dreaming of Earth"



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NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 9/22/2016 1:08 AM (GMT -6)   
I am of the opinion that it cannot be removed entirely and that doing so diminishes the effectiveness of the tincture anyway. I have no "evidence" to back up the latter portion of that statement though.

I have tried all the popular methods out there, varying temperatures of water, allowing it to stand for periods of time, hours even, etc. There were times where I could either still taste the alcohol, albeit faintly, or that my fungal/mold sensitivities were set off. It's very similar to when I eat problematic foods.

It definitely was not due to herxing or anything like that.

I deal with many food/chemical sensitivities, so maybe I am more in tune with its presence? Maybe it is not the alcohol at all? I don't know, for sure. But, there is something in tinctures that my body does not like.

Also, my other point, isn't the alcohol both what helps to extract the medicinal constituents of an herb, as well as preserve and make them more bioavailable? I feel like getting rid of it lessens the potency, and that, at that point, you would be better off just making teas, taking capsules of herb powder, etc.

I really don't know though. Sadly, I do not put enough time into educating myself when it comes to Lyme, both in terms of new and retaining old info, a potentially grave mistake in the future.

Also, what Girlie said, if you are taking a number of different herbs in tincture form, all that alcohol adds up when you get to max dose. Even if you manage to get rid of 80% of the alcohol, it could still end up being a like shot or something? They put a lot of darn alcohol in some of those things, I just remembered.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 9/22/2016 1:11:22 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 12/29/2016 6:24 AM (GMT -6)   
when you take 10 tinctures, say 1/2 tsp each 3xd as max dose, it becomes 60 ml a day, for a year, even if it is 25% alcohol most of them! Is this a lot? what about 20 ml in the morning before driving to work? I am now thinking of taking the morning dose in a small bottle to work and drinking it after I arrive there.
I usually prefer powders which in their turn are about 10 but some herbs I can only get in tincture form.
is the 60 sec in open air really enough to decrease the alcohol quantity enough to not be a problem?

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   Posted 12/29/2016 9:25 AM (GMT -6)   
When the alcohol is really an issue, then it's best to switch to tinctures made with glycerin instead.

If you put a shot of alcohol (say whiskey) in a shot glass and allow it to sit out for a minute, or put it in a cup and then put the cup in boiling water - the alcohol is still there. You will only be changing the "plant parts" - not the alcohol. (sorry, my brain isn't really awake yet).
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   Posted 12/29/2016 10:04 AM (GMT -6)   
All of the Beyond Balance remedies are made with glycerin.

For Byron White formulas -- If you need to decrease the amount of grape alcohol: place drops in a small glass of warm filtered water and let it sit for 10 minutes. Hot or boiling water should never be used with the formulas. Please do not use a microwave to heat the water. www.byronwhiteformulas.com/formulas/about-the-formulas/
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   Posted 12/29/2016 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
There are so many rumors about this that simply aren't true. Since my brain isn't doing so good today, I finally found where the reality of trying to remove alcohol is already written out. Sorry, I'm in school for this stuff, so I've learned.

"Can I evaporate away the alcohol in liquid herbal extracts by mixing the extract drops into hot water?


A small amount of the alcohol can be removed this way but most of it will stay intimately mixed with the hot water and will remain so even if the water is boiled. That's because alcohol and water are extremely difficult to separate once they have been mixed.

While adding extracts to hot water will not eliminate their alcohol, it can, in some cases, actually damage the extract. Many extracts are heat stable (e.g., Goldenseal) and adding them to hot water does no harm. However, other extracts are damaged by heat (e.g., Valerian) and can be weakened by adding them to hot water.

Also, essential oils found in certain extracts (e.g., Lemon Balm, Chamomile) will be at least partially vaporized by hot water. Here you are left with a compromised extract, but the alcohol remains."

(the only thing I did was add extra spacing for ease of reading - yep, my eyes are messing with me today too!)
/www.herb-pharm.com/faq/product-info
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   Posted 12/29/2016 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
All of the Beyond Balance remedies are made with glycerin.

For Byron White formulas -- If you need to decrease the amount of grape alcohol: place drops in a small glass of warm filtered water and let it sit for 10 minutes. Hot or boiling water should never be used with the formulas. Please do not use a microwave to heat the water. www.byronwhiteformulas.com/formulas/about-the-formulas/


No alcohol whatsoever? If that's the case, I may have to give their products a try. I paid the fee to be able to purchase them without being under the care of a doctor, but then never followed through with the purchase of anything, because I'd started having reactions to the alcohol in tinctures, assuming that theirs contained alcohol. Plus, money. Some of their products are a bit... whoa.

Still, not wise to so quickly disregard them, I guess. Also, knowing me, it probably say so right on their front page, but... I don't pay enough attention, sometimes.

Thank you! :D

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   Posted 1/22/2018 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
artermix said...
Alchool evaporates.....so if you let it stand about one min or a little more ...it should evaporate.


I'm using several BW tinctures, tried the recommendation from them, 10 min in warm water, still reacting to the alcohol. I'm putting tomorrow's doses in open jars in a dark cabinet to use tomorrow morning, expecting that should be sufficient time for a few drops apiece to evaporate. My concern is that some of the herbal constituents might evaporate as well. Do you have any knowledge about this or a resource?

I can't use the honey preservation, sugar of any kind is a problem.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi pattykaykes - welcome!


I don't think that leaving the jars open overnight will reduce the alcohol significantly.
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   Posted 1/22/2018 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
The biggest issue with trying to reduce the alcohol content in a tincture is that in doing so (no matter the process used), you will loose some of the volatile oils that were trapped in the alcohol. This may reduce some of the effectiveness of the tincture.

If a person honestly needs to avoid the alcohol, then it's best to stick to glycerin tinctures, as they do not contain alcohol, but have been processed without and only use glycerin.

There are people that prefer to use glycerites (as they are known) and people that prefer to use alcohol tinctures - I prefer the alcohol tinctures based on what the alcohol can extract from the plants compared to what the glycerin can extract.

Here is a pretty good article on the differences: www.theintegratedbody.org/tinctures-vs-glycerites/
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