Lyme Disease clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico success rate

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Gismo94
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   Posted 10/7/2016 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi

Just wondering if anyone has had success in the Lyme Disease clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I heard (through my ART practitioner) its a relatively new clinic (2015) that is getting brilliant results. The difference with this clinic and St George Klinik in Germany is that this clinic treat all the co-infections which significantly increases patients odds of getting better (in comparison to the treatment in St George anyhow).Its also cheaper. Thanks!

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   Posted 10/8/2016 2:08 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know anyone who has gone to the Mexico clinic.

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   Posted 10/8/2016 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
interesting. are you talking about this clinic ? www.lymediseasemexico.com/treatments-lyme-disease-detailed/treatments-lyme-disease.html

they use UV as part of their protocol..

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   Posted 10/8/2016 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I like their approach in terms of immune remodulation.

Gismo94
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   Posted 10/9/2016 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Caramba. Yes I am. I was considering going to St George Klinik in Germany but as that clinic only treats Lyme, I thought this clinic may be better as it also treats co-infections. They also have interesting treatments and a hugh variety of treatments- which we all know is important with Lyme as something that works for one preson wont work for the other. If you get a hugh variety of treatments you have better chance of receiving a treatment that works for you specfically. I have'nt met or spoken to anyone who has been there though so no idea of success

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   Posted 10/31/2016 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Yea please can you please give feed back thanks

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   Posted 10/31/2016 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Gismo94 said...
Hi

Just wondering if anyone has had success in the Lyme Disease clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I heard (through my ART practitioner) its a relatively new clinic (2015) that is getting brilliant results. The difference with this clinic and St George Klinik in Germany is that this clinic treat all the co-infections which significantly increases patients odds of getting better (in comparison to the treatment in St George anyhow).Its also cheaper. Thanks!


If you have a good LLMD, you have a doctor who is treating co-infections.

Saying the clinic is different because it treats all co-infections sounds like marketing BS.

If it's a money thing I might understand that, but the best Lyme practitioners in the world are in the US... not sure why you'd want to go to Mexico.

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   Posted 10/31/2016 6:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Mustard Seed said...
Gismo94 said...
Hi

Just wondering if anyone has had success in the Lyme Disease clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I heard (through my ART practitioner) its a relatively new clinic (2015) that is getting brilliant results. The difference with this clinic and St George Klinik in Germany is that this clinic treat all the co-infections which significantly increases patients odds of getting better (in comparison to the treatment in St George anyhow).Its also cheaper. Thanks!


If you have a good LLMD, you have a doctor who is treating co-infections.

Saying the clinic is different because it treats all co-infections sounds like marketing BS.

If it's a money thing I might understand that, but the best Lyme practitioners in the world are in the US... not sure why you'd want to go to Mexico.


I would consider myself not biassed - as I don't live in the U.S....but if I had a ton of money - I'd head to the U.S. - most likely to Dr. Jemsek's clinic.

I wouldn't go to Mexico...or Europe...
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Gismo94
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   Posted 11/16/2016 3:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the replies

I understand where you are coming from Mustard seed, Im in Australia and as a result getting treatment for Lyme alone is a hugh hurdle let alone the co-infections too. Im trying to decide between two clinic St george in Germany (which just treat lyme which is ridiculous considering most people with Lyme have co-infections too) and Mexico which treat both Lyme and the co-infectiosn. I agree about the best doctors being in the US. Its just completly not affordable for me. Thanks for taking the time to reply. You too Girlie.

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   Posted 1/24/2017 11:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Yay..i was wondering if ivig from mexico has the same screening atandards as ours ?...glad you are still with us downwd ...keep searching never give up

Gismo94
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   Posted 12/28/2017 6:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All

I just wanted to follow up on this thread as I started it a year ago. My ART practitioner had suggested this clinic to me in Mexico as she had heard great things about it. I ended up having a skype with the doctor in this clinic. He was very professional and described the treatments that the clinic offered. It seemed to be impressive but was costly and invasive. The key thing for me was that I had not heard of anyone who had been through the treatment and had noticed improvements so I decided not to go there but to go to St George Klinik in Germany instead. I had spoken to three patients who had gone to the clinic in St George. Two were better and had made remarkable recoveries and one wasn't (she was worse). I went to the clinic and received three weeks of IV antibiotics, Hyperthermia, and plasmapheresis. There were also some other IVs , immune modulation and 2 or 3 ozone treatments. They put you on a 3-month post treatment protocol of medications and detox therapies. Unfortunately, I deteriorated after this treatment and actually became sicker rather than improving. Of the 4 patients who were there when I was there, 1 is better, 2 are worse off and the other person got sicker initially however another treatment for them eventually worked and pushed them into recovery(not sure they credit the clinic in Germany though).

After 4 months I heard of a clinic in Cyprus that does a 4 week ozone treatment program and decided to go there. after the 4 weeks of treatment I began to improve so I extended the treatment for another 3 weeks staying 7 weeks . I jumped from being 10% and mostly bedbound to being at about 40% which was a huge jump for me after being extremely debilitated for the 2 & 1/2 previous years. I jumped to around 60% a few months later and have maintained that level since then. This specific clinic really worked for me as I seem to be an individual who responds really well to ozone treatments,

Anyhow I just wanted to share with you all as I started this thread. I'm not promoting one clinic over another just sharing my own experience having considered three clinics and having gone to two of them!
Take care

Post Edited (Gismo94) : 12/28/2017 4:51:31 PM (GMT-7)


Evanston1
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   Posted 12/28/2017 10:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the info! I'm feeling very anxious after reading your post as I'm leaving for St George in about a week for treatment. I know that with every treatment and with every clinic, there are success stories as well as failures. I've talked to several people who say that St George saved their lives. I've also heard from a few that have said it didn't do anything. I'm just hoping and praying for the best. I'm fairly functional on most days, work full time and have three young kids. I was initially very very sick. I've responded very well to antibiotics but I can't stay on them forever so was hoping hyperthermia treatment would help me get off. And then when I return home, I start weekly IVIG infusions which I'm hoping will be the icing on the cake towards wellness.

I'm glad to hear you are doing much better!! And I'm so sorry St George made things worse for you. I'd love to hear any suggestions/tips/advice you might have for me. I'm so scared of the treatments!

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   Posted 12/28/2017 11:34 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks for coming back and replying after so long. these types of clinics have been coming up of late so any information folks with first hand experience can share is great.

from everything i know about these places my personal opinion is they're most effective when you've cleaned up the bulk of your infections previously and you are ready to get that extra 10-20% to get into full remission. not scientific of course but that seems to be the trend most folks seem to take.

Gismo94
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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Evanston, Please don't be discouraged. There are people who have been to St George who have made remarkable improvements and full recoveries ....so focus on those stories for now (not on the ones who did'nt work). One of the girls who was there when I was there had been extreemly sick for 10 years. She had made almost a full recovery by the end of the 3 weeks of treatment. It was amazing to see. For others, I heard of many stories of how it involved doing the 3-month post protocol and then they improved.
My suggestions around St George is to go in to it positive and optimistic. you will end up spendinga lot fo time in bed in your room. Bring tv series or movies to watch on your laptop. Even when I was too sick to watch them i would listen to them and it would pass time. Be determined to get all that you have paid for. They can be a bit laidback about patients missing some of the smaller treatments (only due to scheduling) and you might be double booked. Make sure you get all thats included in the package. In addition, sometimes the doctor visits are planned at a time when you are in treatment. Make sure you prioritise the doctors visit as you can catch up on the smaller treatments at a later time. They are flexible. Do you have someone travelling with you? id also advice you work with a practitioner when you return to ensure detox and drainage pathways are open as if anything is blocked you will not be detoxing at the speed needed to meet the die off reactions.Hope this helps! and more importantly I really hope you make hugh progress and full recovery!

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   Posted 12/29/2017 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Gismo! I really appreciate your advice and suggestions! I'm taking my 11 year old daughter with me for treatment, as well. She's been very sick. We were both bit on a hiking trip in a California in August 2016. My mom is coming with us and she is a nurse and will be our advocate. My daughter and I are staying in a room together and my mom will be staying at the hotel right next door. My husband will be holding down the fort with my two other kids while we are in treatment.

Do you feel that you were closely monitored during the actual hyperthermia treatments? Are they extremely careful?It seems so risky but I'm taking the risk because living like this the rest of my life feels like an even bigger risk.

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   Posted 12/29/2017 11:21 AM (GMT -6)   
can you tell us the specific type of ozone treatments you recieved?

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Gismo94
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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi evanston,

Glad you have your mom with you to help you and your daughter. I also had someone with me and really needed them and their support while I was there. You will spend time in the morning doing ionic foot spa, detox and light therapy, then in the afternoon, you will have a lot of IVs. Iv antibiotics and IV Vitamin C. I also had IV Chelation due to having heavy metal toxicity. You will then have two sessions of hypertermia, usually one each week. there is also colonics and Ozone Major Autohemotherapy.They are very vigilant during the Hyperthermia and I always felt like I was getting excellent medical care. You will feel exhausted after the treatments but they monitor you in intensive care unit until 24 hrs post where you will then go back to your original room. I never had concerns from that perspective. for me the issue was that they schedule the doctor appointments when you are in other appointments and you miss the 1:1 with the doctor. We had to chase down the doctor to make sure I had my 1:1. They didint seem to care that I had missed the appointment, A few other patients had the same issues.
The doctors are friendly and nice and willing to tailor treatment to your specific needs although 90% of the package is the same for everyone. The key thing is to ensure you have that sit down time with the doctor so that you get the 10% tailored for you and your daughters needs. The rooms are basic but nice. they have ensuite and a couch/balcony. If you love tea bring your own kettle. I loved having a cuppa when I was able. The clinic is really warm too. they have heating on at all times. I went last January and it was freezing outside (-20) but lovely and warm inside. There is a mix of Lyme and Cancer patients in the clinic and the food they serve is really nice (although I was too sick to eat most of the time).

Feel free to ask more questions !!

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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi lapis-29

The ozone treatments in the cyprus clinic included daily IV ozone, bi-weekly 10 pass ozone HOT, 3 rectal insufflation per week,3 ozone sauna per week.

I had done ozone treatments previously and had noticed some improvement so for me I decided it was worth going. Ozone works for some people very well and is worth it if you are in that category. If not, obviously it would be a waste for you.

Of the people in the clinic there the same time as me, (around 20 of us), 2 people did not make improvements but the rest of us made significant improvements. Some people full recoveries. Hope this helps!

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   Posted 12/29/2017 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Evaston1- One more thing make sure you mention you and your daughter were bit in California. I dont fully understand this but I have heard of doctors treating American Lyme different to European Lyme. Just in case its important!

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   Posted 12/29/2017 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Gismo94 said...
Hi

Just wondering if anyone has had success in the Lyme Disease clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I heard (through my ART practitioner) its a relatively new clinic (2015) that is getting brilliant results. The difference with this clinic and St George Klinik in Germany is that this clinic treat all the co-infections which significantly increases patients odds of getting better (in comparison to the treatment in St George anyhow).Its also cheaper. Thanks!


Do you know what co-infections they target and how they treat them

Gismo94
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   Posted 12/29/2017 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
St George in Germany target Borrelia only. This is done through IV antibiotics at specific times and hyperthermia followed by IV antibiotics. My understanding is that the hyperthermia draws out the bacteria that is hidden and targets the different forms of it. Then the IV antibiotics and the second hyperthermia session kill the bacteria fully. The dr in the clinic says that Hyperthermia works 100% with Lyme and that it often works for many patients with Bartonella too. He was clear to point out that it does not work for Babesia

With the clinic in Cyprus, the ozone does a combination of killing and building up the body.Ozone is meant o work for all types of co-infections including parasitic types. I was diagnosed with borrelia, Bartonella and babesia. Although the treatment in the clinic in Germany could have made a hugh difference in reducing my infections it wasn't until I went to the clinic in Cyprus and had consistent ozone treatments that my symptoms reduced, I started to feel better and I started to recover.

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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
so with traditional ABX the gut floral is wiped out and you need to supplement heavily with probiiotics

does the same thing happen with ozone treament?

Gismo94
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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:17 PM (GMT -6)   
We were advised to take probiotics post treatment However that could be as I had done a year+ of antibiotics. So to answer your question "sorry I dont know". I am taking them and will continue to for the next year

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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:44 PM (GMT -6)   
ok, thanks

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   Posted 1/1/2018 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I would love for someone who has been to the St George Klinik in Germany to contact me if willing, to share information about costs and your experiences there. It would be much appreciated as I am strongly considering going there. Thank you in advance.
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