Opinion on CBD oil to treat depression and anxiety as well as Lyme?

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SnowAngel22
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   Posted 10/12/2016 10:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I am seriously considering going on CBD oil. Mainly to treat the depression and anxiety, I have also read that it has an antipsychotic effect as well which could be good for me. I am just worried that I will herx and in turn this will cause the depression and anxiety to worsen. I live in Canada so I would have to go to my MD and get a referral to a clinic. And from what I've heard from friends and family (who do not have Lyme) is that they make up your own little recipe that is tailored to your needs. Ive heard nothing but good stories about pure CBD oil and can't find anything bad about it on the Internet. I am very sensitive to medications though... Which I am assuming is because of the Lyme.

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   Posted 10/12/2016 10:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I have read of good results with CBD oil. I have not tried it.

Our moderator, Girlie has and she will be along soon to give you her opinion.

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   Posted 10/12/2016 10:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I would encourage you to try it. As with all things Lyme, start off on a very low dose, and do NOT increase it until you know you are responding to it. There are cannabinoid receptors in the body that need to "learn to recognize" the cannabis and 'take it up', so that it can be utilized. Once you've had a few doses, you should notice some response - at that time, you can start raising your dose to your specific health care needs.

Different strains will affect you differently, so do be sure to talk to them about what you need it for, and what you do not want to have happen. Many don't want any psychotropic effects (getting high), and you can ask for one that will not do that to you.
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   Posted 10/12/2016 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks PeteZa

And yes that is exactly the kind I would like traveler, the kind that does not make you high and it also apparently has no other side effects (to the normal person) which is also a huge plus.

I wonder, wherever I would end up getting this stuff, what their stance on chronic lyme would be and if they would be willing to acknowledge it and start on a very small dose.

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   Posted 10/12/2016 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
You don't need to know what their stance on chronic Lyme is - you are there to only buy their product. Just be sure to let them know what you "actions" you need it to have, and what "actions" you don't want it to have.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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   Posted 10/12/2016 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
klwxo95 said...
I am seriously considering going on CBD oil. Mainly to treat the depression and anxiety, I have also read that it has an antipsychotic effect as well which could be good for me. I am just worried that I will herx and in turn this will cause the depression and anxiety to worsen. I live in Canada so I would have to go to my MD and get a referral to a clinic. And from what I've heard from friends and family (who do not have Lyme) is that they make up your own little recipe that is tailored to your needs. Ive heard nothing but good stories about pure CBD oil and can't find anything bad about it on the Internet. I am very sensitive to medications though... Which I am assuming is because of the Lyme.


I am in BC Canada. You don't need to see a Dr. for CBD oil. CBD oil has very very low THC, but high CBD.
There is research being done on the CBD for lyme treatment. There is a growing number of testimonials.
I tried it for about 2 months...and didn't have any results...probably should have stuck it out longer. But, the oil was hard on my throat.

If you're wanting the marijuana - then you do need a Dr. note.

Here is where I purchased mine - I believe they ship across Canada.

greencrossofbc.org

If you call the store..they are very helpful - they will tell you about their products.

My husband told me that we have a marijuana dispensary in our small city...and there is a Dr. set up to give everyone a prescription for it...

I think pretty soon...no prescription will be necessary, though.
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SnowAngel22
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   Posted 10/12/2016 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Hmmm okay I didn't know that girlie. Both of the people I know got it through their dr.
I will look more into it!

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   Posted 10/12/2016 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
The issue with CBD oil is you must, must, must, know where it came from, organic is the way to go. They use hemp to clean up toxic waste sites and it has been reported that the contaminated hemp has been used to make CBD oil. That's stuff you do not want.

Do a search on contaminated CBD oil

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   Posted 10/12/2016 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
klwxo95 said...
Hmmm okay I didn't know that girlie. Both of the people I know got it through their dr.
I will look more into it!


From their website:
"If you have a medical doctor’s written permission to use cannabis as a medicine or are in need of assistance in acquiring permission or Health Canada Licensing medical marijuana access regulation (M.M.A.R.), we can help !

The Green Cross of B.C. is for verified medical cannabis patients only. Those wishing to sign up to become a member need both a confirmation of diagnosis and acknowledgement of medical cannabis use from a licensed medical practitioner or active membership with select medical cannabis dispensaries.

We are the only dispensary that Tests our cannabis for THC% CBD and CBN. These are extremely important numbers in determining the right medicine for what our clients need."
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   Posted 10/12/2016 9:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I got some for my dad at the coop...it has helped with his mood ...

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   Posted 10/12/2016 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Does anyone know where you can get it online in the u.s?
Depression and anxiety are by far my twins and i worst symptoms. If i could fix that id no joke new 75% functional 😍
Currently with LLMD planning on doing modified Cowden Protocol and Buhner
Switched to this route after very bad herxing on rifampin
Diagnosed with Bartonella and Lyme. Twin has Bartonella and Mycoplasma and Lyme.
Twin improving on rifampin, zithromax, and tinidazole. Anger, rage, explosivity, emotional volatility, head and bone squeezing, sense of overheatedness all improved.

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   Posted 10/12/2016 10:30 PM (GMT -6)   
jennydancingfish said...
Does anyone know where you can get it online in the u.s?
Depression and anxiety are by far my twins and i worst symptoms. If i could fix that id no joke new 75% functional 😍


marijuana? or CBD oil?

CBD oil - Bluebird Botanicals.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 2:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Keep in mind there is a difference between cbd from hemp and cbd from cannabis. I dont recommend hemp as a medicine. Its a gimmick and many across the usa are taking advantage of folks with the cbd craze. Just be careful where u buy. Cannabis is medicine.
Muscle Test Dx for:
Babs,Bart,Chlamydia,Myco & RMSF
Sprinkled with Heavy Metal toxicity.
Negative for Borrellia
Igenix testing next.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 2:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Its important to use an oil from Cannabis rather than Hemp. A higher thc works better for most with Lyme, or at least a 1:1 ratio. Most with Lyme start with very small doses, a gram of the oil mixed with a cup of coconut oil or some other carrier, then start with just 1/8 teaspoon of that dilution, several times a day. So it is not enough to cause a high, but enough to help with symptoms.
There are a couple of informative facebook groups that help with information, it is a private group so you would need to join and be accepted for privacy and safety.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 4:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok cause they dont allow med mar in illinois for lyme
Currently with LLMD planning on doing modified Cowden Protocol and Buhner
Switched to this route after very bad herxing on rifampin
Diagnosed with Bartonella and Lyme. Twin has Bartonella and Mycoplasma and Lyme.
Twin improving on rifampin, zithromax, and tinidazole. Anger, rage, explosivity, emotional volatility, head and bone squeezing, sense of overheatedness all improved.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Hemp derived CBD oil can really be dangerous. It is greatly preferred as the medicine because the less THC, but hemp really absorbs stuff from the ground much more readily than cannabis. So I so agree with making sure that you get hemp from a very reliable source.

Best scenario is to grow it yourself in some good soil not near any type of runoff from anything.

ireadculture.com/hemp-derived-cbd-vs-cannabis-derived-cbd/

/healthyhempoil.com/hemp-cbd-vs-cannabis-cbd/

Two views you can read that have different endings.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Navigator said...
The issue with CBD oil is you must, must, must, know where it came from, organic is the way to go. They use hemp to clean up toxic waste sites and it has been reported that the contaminated hemp has been used to make CBD oil. That's stuff you do not want.

Do a search on contaminated CBD oil


The hemp from the source I mentioned in Canada is grown in Kelowna, BC. I spoke to the Green Cross Rep and was told that the hemp they use and grow is food source hemp...not industrial hemp (hemp used for clothing, etc)

He also told me he supplies the cbd oil to an Indy race car driver - she had a car accident (not while she was racing) and had daily afternoon seizures since then. He has been supplying her with the CBD oil (hemp derived) and hasn't had one since.

The studies/research that the retired LLMD Dr. Murakami and Dr. Eva Sapi have been doing is the cbd oil (for not symptom relief, but for killing the spirochetes - in vitro)
The cbd oil comes from hemp because the marijuana has a low amount of cbd oil.

Another reason people are willing to try the CBD oil (from hemp) is they don't want to get high...it's not practical for them to be high all the time.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Randy Eichner said...
Keep in mind there is a difference between cbd from hemp and cbd from cannabis. I dont recommend hemp as a medicine. Its a gimmick and many across the usa are taking advantage of folks with the cbd craze. Just be careful where u buy. Cannabis is medicine.


Nope, that's not true. The people I know are using the CBD from hemp. There is a very low amount in the marijuana.
It's no more gimmicky than the many, many things "we" try when treating lyme disease.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
Hemp derived CBD oil can really be dangerous. It is greatly preferred as the medicine because the less THC, but hemp really absorbs stuff from the ground much more readily than cannabis. So I so agree with making sure that you get hemp from a very reliable source.

Best scenario is to grow it yourself in some good soil not near any type of runoff from anything.

ireadculture.com/hemp-derived-cbd-vs-cannabis-derived-cbd/

/healthyhempoil.com/hemp-cbd-vs-cannabis-cbd/

Two views you can read that have different endings.


I quickly looked at the links.

It's also the type of hemp -- food grade vs industrial grade. I think that's what people are missing when they say that the hemp is contaminated.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
So, Green Cross Rep said he recommends CW Botanicals if you're in the U.S. and want to try cbd oil.

Have you heard of Charlotte's web? (little girl with daily seizures) - CW Botanicals provided the cbd oil. (from hemp)

He recommended them, not Bluebird Botanicals...so that was good to know.

www.cwhemp.com

And to clarify - the couple of people I know who have had success with their lyme treatment - were using CBD oil from food grade hemp, not from marijuana.

Also, there have been testimonies on Dr Murakami's fb page. One woman has gastroparesis and is now able to eat food (slowly) since taking the CBD oil.

If you call the Green Cross Society (the Kingsway number) - you can ask your questions...unless you just get one of the receptionists...who don't know a lot.
I think calling first thing in the morning is best before they get busy - at 10:00.
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   Posted 10/13/2016 12:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Girlie, that is helpful :) I am looking for pure CBD. I react very badly to THC (mentally). For anybody who has seen my last post you can see that I even had a bad reaction to a low dose of curcumin. I might try giving them a call.

I have always been sensitive to ALOT of things... Problem is that I am also dealing with post-withdrawal syndrome from an antipsychotic. I am even more sensitive now :( It is also hard to distinguish between problems due to the lyme and problems due to antipsychotic and antidepressant usage. The antipsychotic that I was taking landed me in the hospital, also since I was not technically "psychotic" prior to going on the medication, there was no reason for me to be on it in the first place (Dr.'s words). My family may be looking into a medical malpractice lawsuit because of this. Anway, totally off topic, sorry about that!

Either way I will speak with a psychiatrist about these issues and I will research extensively! The Green Cross sounds like a good option so far though!

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   Posted 10/13/2016 12:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie,
The cbd crew created "cbd therapy" its a 24:1 ratio. The highest available currently. There are also growers breeding hemp & cannabis together and marketing it as hemp.
Muscle Test Dx for:
Babs,Bart,Chlamydia,Myco & RMSF
Sprinkled with Heavy Metal toxicity.
Negative for Borrellia
Igenix testing next.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
klwxo95 said...
Thanks Girlie, that is helpful :) I am looking for pure CBD. I react very badly to THC (mentally). For anybody who has seen my last post you can see that I even had a bad reaction to a low dose of curcumin. I might try giving them a call.

I have always been sensitive to ALOT of things... Problem is that I am also dealing with post-withdrawal syndrome from an antipsychotic. I am even more sensitive now :( It is also hard to distinguish between problems due to the lyme and problems due to antipsychotic and antidepressant usage. The antipsychotic that I was taking landed me in the hospital, also since I was not technically "psychotic" prior to going on the medication, there was no reason for me to be on it in the first place (Dr.'s words). My family may be looking into a medical malpractice lawsuit because of this. Anway, totally off topic, sorry about that!

Either way I will speak with a psychiatrist about these issues and I will research extensively! The Green Cross sounds like a good option so far though!


I think it costs $20 to ship the CBD oil. So, if you end up liking it, order a few syringes at a time to reduce your overall shipping costs.

Do you mind me asking what your post-withdrawal symptoms were?
I'm so sorry that happened to you.

It happened to my elderly father. He was fine (was on an antidepressant since my mother died) and then fell and broke the socket of his hip. Had 'robotic' surgery in victoria...was doing well...but we didn't know they were giving him sleeping pills every night for 6 weeks.
After discharge....he had sudden onset of anxiety...his GP prescribed sleeping pills and ativan.
He was never the same. Ended up in ER and then the Psych ward. and...anti-psychotic medication. He was suicidal for awhile on it...then they kept changing it...he was on seroquel, olanzapine (which sent his blood sugar level into double digits), haloperidol, and at least one more.
He had sudden dementia - according to them...not one would believe me that it was the psych meds.
there's a lot more to this story...but we never got him back. He was in his mid-70's at the time...

I hope you have an understanding Psychiatrist...
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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Well it is a very long story but I was only on the medication for a little over a month and on the lowest dosage as well. A day or two after I stopped I got extreme akathisia, like to the point where I was almost running around the house because I was SO restless. Then extreme anxiety set in like something from complete hell and then a complete loss of all emotions except for depression. It was the scariest thing I went through and I am still going through it. In the hospital they put me on Clonazepam and Remeron. All of this happened around the beginning of may and I think I was released from the hospital mid-may. I am completely off of the clonazepam at this point and have halfed my dosage of Remeron although I am still totally and completely depressed. I am slowly getting some feelings back so I am hopeful.

I haven't seen this psychiatrist yet but I really hope it is a compassionate one.

Do you think that your father could have had lyme disease? It feels like a similar story to mine.

I am very sorry to hear that about your father, my grandfather has severe dementia and Alzheimer's disease and I can emphasize. I feel like there is nothing worse than seeing somebody lose themselves like that :(. Ever since I came across Lyme Disease I have worried that this is what my grandpa has possibly that is causing the Alzheimer's and dementia. However at this point I feel like it would be to late to do anything about it even if this were true and that just kills me.

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   Posted 10/13/2016 1:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, I'm not sure if my father had lyme disease.

In July of 2010, he and my 16 year old son went to Paris together. At that time my dad was living independently.

He fell in September - off a ladder - the surgery was not a hip replacement - the surgeon pinned the broken acetabulum (socket) of the hip...but he had to non-weight bearing on that one leg for 8 weeks.

He went home in October....and by December he was in the psych ward. (after taking 4 ativan daily plus zopiclone at night for sleeping)

by beginning of January - I was told he needed full care...full blown dementia - nothing showing on the CT scan.
When I would visit him at that time...they would give him a plate of food...he would look at me and say "Lori, what do I do?" and I would give him a fork...and tell him to eat.

We fought with the Dr.'s for a few years...and got him weaned off of a lot of meds...and he passed the 'brain' test and was allowed to get out of a full care facility. My son and I took him to Hawaii for a week's vacation..and he had his own room...was able to take care of himself.
Then a little while after that - I don't know what happened...all of a sudden he had anxiety 'through the roof'....and then went downhill from there. They probably slipped him an ativan...and a sleeping pill...who knows?
He was never the same...and passed November, 2014.

People don't have sudden onset full blown dementia like that - and then improve to the point that he can care for himself...

I hope you also find a compassionate Psychiatrist..to help you.
Good luck, and please keep us updated on your progress.
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