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jboy145
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   Posted 1/29/2017 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello
Does detox methods(sauna and Epsom salt baths) really mobilize toxins?
Why do feel worse after incorporating these detox methods?

Is there anything I can do?
Camping trip in May 2016
Symptoms since June 2016
Diagnosed October 2016 with Bartonella and possible lyme through Igenex test(positive for Bartonella); Band 41+

Mostly neurological symptoms

Feeling slightly better

Randy Eichner
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   Posted 1/29/2017 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
this happen to me at first but it got better over time. keep in mind sauna will also do some killing cuz of the high heat and increase in blood flow and your body will only purge so much at one time.
go low and slow at first.
Igenix+ bands 23-25,31,41,58,66
Muscle Test Dx for:
Babs,Bart,Chlamydia,Myco & RMSF
Sprinkled with a lil Metal toxicity.
Detox- fir sauna, epsom soak,earthing,Ionic Bath & Lemon Water
Nutition- paleo diet & ro water
Apitherapy-Bee Pollen,Propolis & Royal Jelly
Herb Treatment- Misty Meadows Chronic Tonic
My thread for CT:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3760786

Traveler
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   Posted 1/29/2017 3:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, there is such a thing as over detoxing. This happens when we move more toxins than our body is capable of processing out effectively. Many toxins are stored in our tissues, and by detoxing, we move them to the bloodstream where we can process them out of our bodies through the lymph system, then on to the liver and kidneys as so on. We have to be sure to add in more detoxing routines slowly and carefully, or we will end up herxing just like we had never been detoxing. This article helps to explain that some: www.tiredoflyme.com/4-reasons-why-you-still-feel-bad-despite-detoxing.html

How hot was the water for your Epsom salt soak, and how long did you stay in there? I have found that I can't use them, and must use a foot soak only because it mobilizes too many toxins for my body to process out fast enough to keep me from being completely miserable.

You can use binders short term. I like using activated charcoal, but there are others that other members prefer to use as well. If you use binders, you will need to keep them at least 2 hours away (before and after) anything you wish your body to utilize - food, medicines, herbs, supplements. I try to find a 4 hour period of time where I am not scheduled to eat or take anything, and take my binder in the middle of that time. Usually though, I end up taking it in the middle of the night when I get up to use the bathroom.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

jboy145
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   Posted 1/29/2017 6:50 PM (GMT -6)   
It was not too hot but I stayed in a while.
I believe it is the sauna,that I just introduced, that escalated my symptoms. Mostly my Bart/neuro symptoms.
Camping trip in May 2016
Symptoms since June 2016
Diagnosed October 2016 with Bartonella and possible lyme through Igenex test(positive for Bartonella); Band 41+

Mostly neurological symptoms

Feeling slightly better

Randy Eichner
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Date Joined Sep 2016
Total Posts : 381
   Posted 1/29/2017 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
yeah i still have issues with my hands every time i get out of the sauna they become almost useless. but this happens when i do almost any detoxing.
Igenix+ bands 23-25,31,41,58,66
Muscle Test Dx for:
Babs,Bart,Chlamydia,Myco & RMSF
Sprinkled with a lil Metal toxicity.
Detox- fir sauna, epsom soak,earthing,Ionic Bath & Lemon Water
Nutition- paleo diet & ro water
Apitherapy-Bee Pollen,Propolis & Royal Jelly
Herb Treatment- Misty Meadows Chronic Tonic
My thread for CT:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3760786

mudshark
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   Posted 1/28/2018 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm reviving this thread after wanting to search on this very subject . . . can you detox too much?

I have not been doing nearly enough detox throughout my whole ordeal, other than the occasional epsom salt foot soak and infrequent dose of burbur when things are particularly bad. Skip forward a few months to now where my symptoms have been flaring and intensifying for a few weeks after starting bart treatment. I just got finished watching a Dr. Rawls webinar on detoxing for lyme, which put in my mind I need to start doing this more consistently.

So, I ramped up the detox with things on the shelf - burbur (4-5x day), milk thistle (2x day), chlorella (1x) and drinking a lot more water. Within 24 hours my symptoms had diminished and took on a change. I started getting more rejuvenating sleep and waking up with more energy than I have for a long time. I was experiencing greater mental clarity throughout the day, which is something I didn't really realize I was lacking until I experienced this sudden renewal. I was feeling great and upbeat, and thought to myself "why have I not been doing this all along?".

This good feeling lasted for a few days until yesterday evening and later in the night when weirdness came out of nowhere. After my normal evening workout I always feel good, but last night I experienced hot burning skin on my legs and arms, feeling hot and flushed, hyped up and anxious, and shaky. It went away after about 1 hour and I didn't think much of it. Then throughout the night I was unable to get much sleep with my mind racing. It took a long time to fall asleep and as soon as I did my mind would wake me up with racing thoughts again, and the the hot flushing and burning skin along with it. It would fade and I'd eventually fall back asleep and do this all over again several times, until I eventually was able to sleep a few hours.

Could this amount of detoxing agents I was using have overloaded my system after a few days? I have no way to gauge if I'm doing a lot or a little. I've seen others with so many things on their detox lists.

I'm thinking going from basically zero to a consistent routine is too much. I'm hoping this is all it is and backing off will keep things going in the right direction. I have read that there are no real side affects from these supplements in themselves, so I am hoping that this is just a toxin overload and not a reaction to something that was helping me. Maybe it's continued proof that I'm on the right track with treatment.

Post Edited (mudshark) : 1/28/2018 8:46:55 AM (GMT-7)


Traveler
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   Posted 1/28/2018 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Mudshark,
I'm so sorry that you experienced that! I know that type of misery. Detoxing is nearly as important as the treatments to kill the bacteria - as is supporting the body and the body systems as it goes through this. Many of us can't get through treatments without doing all of this.

It sounds like you added all of those things into your routines in one day? If so, then that's exactly what happened. You overloaded your bloodstream with too many toxins and your body couldn't clear them fast enough to prevent issues.

The majority of toxins are in our tissues, not in our bloodstream. Detoxing is designed to release those toxins from the soft tissues and into the bloodstream - but we must do this slowly so that we don't overwhelm the bloodstream with toxins, causing possible serious issues. Cytokine storms can and do happen to Lyme patients, and they can be deadly, so we need to pay attention to these things.

That you were feeling the improvements, then days later had a set back shows that you indeed did start something your body needed, you just moved too fast with it. We all need different levels of detoxing, depending on what all our body is dealing with, so don't gauge yourself against others too much. The amount of detoxing I need to do daily is not what many others need - and yet I don't need as much as some others still.

Backing down on the doses and holding the doses steady until you feel more stable is a good idea - then watch your symptoms. If you try to add in one more dose or drop of something, wait and see how your body responds. You now know that it will take several days to know what your body thinks of it. You can use this to your advantage now.

Personally, I only raise my doses one drop at a time per day. I can be that sensitive to changes, and many of us are. So, go slow, listen to your body carefully and let us know how you are doing!

Anytime you get an overload of toxins, you can also incorporate binders, as long as you learn the best way to use them. You need to be sure to keep binders at least 2 hours away (before and after) from anything you want your body to absorb, except water - drink lots of water to help avoid constipation, as it will keep those toxins you were trying to remove from your body in your intestines longer, and give them more of a chance to get reabsorbed through the intestinal walls - and then you are right back to where you started.

Essentially, you need a 4 hour window where you aren't taking anything, or eating to take a binder. Take the binder after 2 hours of nothing more than water, then stick with nothing more than water for the next 2 hours. Because of this, and my pill/tincture schedule, I usually take my binders in the middle of the night when I get up to use the bathroom.

Best of luck!! And please do let us know how you are doing!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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mudshark
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   Posted 1/28/2018 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler,

Thanks s much. Yes I started the milk thistle and burbur in one day, taking multiple doses as directed on the bottles. Prior to this I hadn't done enough of either or consistency enough to likely cause a reaction. I was thinking the toxin level is why my symptoms have ramped up and getting rid of them would help. That was the case for the first few days as I felt so much better, but then wham!

It makes sense that while in the tissues my symptoms ramped up. If the action of these supplements is to pull them into the bloodstream then it makes sense why this happened. I've given it a rest today and felt back to normal. I will begin again and take things much slower and more gradually. So much to learn with this stuff.

Note to self: baby steps you dummy

Traveler
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   Posted 1/29/2018 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
LOL! Most of us have to learn that the hard way, so don't beat yourself up!!! I'm just happy to hear that you see what happened and now know how to avoid it!!!!

Best of luck and do let us know how you are doing!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/
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