Regarding exhaustion -
Are you just tired during the day, able to do less, going to bed earlier, waking up later… or are you struggling to stand in the shower long enough to wash your hair, stand in the kitchen long enough to make a meal, sleeping throughout the day, etc… some people say exhaustion when they mean fatigue, and vice versa.
If it is fatigue then it might just be one of those side effects of blasting your body with antimicrobials - regardless if it's Rx or herbs. You can play around w/ detoxing differently, less or more aggressively. And you can evaluate your sleep to make sure you're sleeping soundly (adrenal issues can also disrupt sleep even though we might not realize we're not sleeping well). Adrenal support is a must for anyone going through treatment. And I can't remember if you've explored thyroid/neurotransmitter levels but that also ties into fatigue if nothing else fits.
If it is exhaustion, and you aren't fighting a viral load, you might be too aggressive with your treatment and/or detoxing. So the first thing I would do is slow down to see if it helps. if it does, keep at a lower pace until your microbe load is lower and you feel a little less exhausted or until you find a manageable level of fatigue. I think it will be nearly impossible for people to omit all fatigue during treatment.
I've been thinking about your challenge w/ your strain. I misread something you posted previously, and I thought your level was very high. Since you're not really sure and are going simply by sx, I would maintain the anti fungal approach you're doing (titrate Nystatin as much as you can tolerate, according to Dr Nyhill's dosing schedule). And explore other issues.
Every time I have tested my yeast levels, they are the same—there are dysbiotic yeast levels (usually unidentified) regardless if I have significant or minimal sx. And the sx are always reduced with focused treatment but yeast ALWAYS registers in my stool tests and never in blood tests.
As I mentioned above, there are people who are yeasty—some have a lot of sx and have to be very careful about what they eat, others are yeasty and have no sx, people who can do and eat whatever they want and never have yeast problems. You might just have a "brewer's yeast" type biome.
But everything I've read about that type of yeast suggests you really need to be careful w/ carbs, lest you brew your own ethanol environment (haven't you heard the stories of people who don't drink alcohol yet keep complaining of feeling drunk after they eat, and they find high levels of your yeast strain in their guts?) Yeast problems are one of the key reasons why alcoholics have such a difficult time healing their addictions - the cravings are unmanageable.
If that's the case, I would maintain your anti fungal approach while you're treating (the antimicrobial herbs and the alcohols from some tinctures can also cause imbalance in the gut, which can lead to yeast overgrowth) but it might be that the sx you're attributing to the yeast might be caused by something else.
I'll think about it some more… thanks for sharing -
Thanks again for your thoughtful post!
For my fatigue, for me it means...
* tired during the day (all the time)
* able to do less (very much less!)
* going to bed earlier (sometimes - lately, I am falling asleep around 7-8pm but have to get up after that for kid stuff)
* waking up later (can't really say because I *have* to get up at certain times for the kids)
* sleeping throughout the day
* wake up never feeling rested (still tired)
* takes a long time for me to get out of bed in the morning
* some days, I just crawl back into bed because it feels like my body can't function
* can't stay awake at times (can sleep anywhere - over and under stimulated environments!)
I don't know how to describe it, but it's draining. It was really intense before I went after the yeast last year. The kids would ask to play a board game, and my body just couldn't. After I knocked back the yeast, I was able to do things like board games and had more energy.
This isn't related to treatment at all, as I was like this for years before diagnosis and treatment. It is "better" since I treated for yeast initially, but I still struggle with fatigue.
My functional medicine MD doctor was convinced it was thyroid related, but repeat tests over the years look good.
"I've been thinking about
your challenge w/ your strain. I misread something you posted previously, and I thought your level was very high. "
^ Sorry. I know why this was confusing. Let me try to explain. I don't have any labs to verify levels. However, I do "suspect" I was heavy load based on my symptoms, treatment, and response to treatment last year. This year, I suspect my load is lower because again based on less symptoms and responses so far this year.
"But everything I've read about
that type of yeast suggests you really need to be careful w/ carbs,"
"lest you brew your own ethanol environment (haven't you heard the stories of people who don't drink alcohol yet keep complaining of feeling drunk after they eat, and they find high levels of your yeast strain in their guts?)"
^ I have read stories about
this. Sounds pretty uncommon but fascinating really.
"If that's the case, I would maintain your anti fungal approach while you're treating (the antimicrobial herbs and the alcohols from some tinctures can also cause imbalance in the gut, which can lead to yeast overgrowth) but it might be that the sx you're attributing to the yeast might be caused by something else."
I do wonder about
that too. My fatigue may or may not be related to the yeast at this point. It could be caused by numerous things. Perhaps the lyme or coinfections cause it at this point. It's hard to know.
But I do know I am still testing positive for this strain, so I really would love to see the day when I'm not. That is what I'm striving for. I know I do/did have a pretty serious yeast infection, I know it's not fully cleared (yes, I know we will have some levels of it but I shouldn't be positive for it via culture), so I'm working to further reduce it.
When I first started this journey, I had absolutely no help at all from the my doctors at the time. I had kidney pain that made me sick, and it was VERY concerning. Repeat labs showed nothing of concern. I started wondering about
it and started reading about
yeast. I know I have been positive for yeast for my yearlys for a really long time, but the doctor and I really never gave it much concern. (Did a brief treatment and since I didn't have "obvious" symptoms, I didn't really think about
it.) So, then I figured... I would try to treat the yeast and see what happens. And sure enough - I felt much better after treatment. I don't get regular headaches anymore, my new symptom of menstrual migraines went away, and my kidneys are in much better shape (no longer make me sick or have pain - very infrequent nowadays).
I was concerned that I didn't treat it long enough (especially since I'm still positive), so I'm doing another round.
I do feel that I may be one of those people who may be dealing with this for a long time and am super sensitive to yeast/sugars.
Hope that helps explain the background a bit more.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues
Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 4/10/2017 6:35:43 AM (GMT-6)