Dr. Rawl Vital Plan Protocol

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bmoberg337
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   Posted 5/24/2017 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey All,

Curious if anyone here has tried the Dr. Bill Rawls protocol. His vital plan mix is a bit pricey (around $300 for a month supply). Seems like you could get individual herbs from Green Dragon Botanicals for much cheaper.

If you have tried it and are seeing results, about how long did it take before you started to see symptom improvement?

There are over 100 reviews on his website for these supplements and not 1 of them is bad, which seems to good to be true. Like to believe this guy is honest, but there is always some new face showing up promising this community the next miracle drug.

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   Posted 5/24/2017 11:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I think you are wise to be skeptical, but Dr. Rawls plan is based on Buhner's protocols basically and there are a few that are using it on here. Hopefully they will be along to post soon.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

Girlie
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   Posted 5/24/2017 11:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I took a quick look at the Restore Kit and my concerns would be that you're not able to start one herb at a time.
Each bottle has several herbs in it.

Also...is there a 'kit' for the co-infections?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

PeteZa
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   Posted 5/24/2017 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I would suggest reading his book Unlocking Lyme and maybe just go with the protocol in that book. You can buy each herb individually.
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bmoberg337
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   Posted 5/24/2017 5:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I started with the suggested core protocol, which I believe is similar to the Buhner protocol, and also taking suggests herbs for stress/adrenal support. about six weeks in along with improved diet but have had no change in symptoms

PeteZa
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   Posted 5/24/2017 8:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Hang in there bmoberg337, six weeks is nothing in treating lyme. Sorry to mention this.
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Purple Tulip
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   Posted 5/24/2017 10:10 PM (GMT -7)   
I started about 6 weeks ago. I have noticed improvement. I am giving it the entire summer Before I make any real judgement. You do, however get great member care. I get encouraging emails informational newsletters everyday. There are checkpoints where they send you a survey you fill out that will mark your progress. I've gone up 10 per cent.

The kit has basic Lyme protocol, mitochondria repair, quality multi vitamin formulated for Lyme and adrenal recovery. At the recommended dose you are taking 24 capsules a day. 3 from each bottle twice a day. I found that this protocol includes everything that has been recommended to me in the past all in one place. I had so many bottles, lots of on line ordering and no member-care help if I had a question. And btw, I take his probiotic too. I noticed a difference right away.
I get a discount for commiting to reorder (since I promised myself I'd be consistent for three months). I get all that for under 300.

I think it's a good deal. I was buying: NAC, skull cap, ala/alc, vitamin D and c, magnesium, cats claw, JP, andrographis, probiotic etc and driving myself insane trying to remember it all and when to order and stay consistent. This makes it easy and has all this stuff and more!

I will let you know how I do after a good 90 days. But so far I like it.

PeteZa
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   Posted 5/25/2017 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Purple this is so encouraging!!!

I can't even imagine how much I spent on me and now with hubby. Honestly yours sounds like a much better deal.

I have a huge bag of empty amber bottles. I am going to take a picture of all those tinctures I took and then donate the bottles to the local herb shop.
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Purple Tulip
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   Posted 5/25/2017 9:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I know!! And I went through those bottle of tinctures so quickly!! not to mention trying to down the JK and Cats claw when I bought in bulk. I would always run out of Andrographis and try to find a store that carried it! this has simplified my life - which is a good investment and has kept me consistent. I take the right amount at the same time and I do not forget to something. I am especially encouraged about the personal care you get. They have a facebook page for memebers as well. plus a chat on the website and more.

Kat1000
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   Posted 5/25/2017 1:18 PM (GMT -7)   
24 capsules a day! I'm not good with pills, but I'm not good with hurting either. Such a frustrating illness.
Symptoms started early 2016 - possibly earlier?
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Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
LLMD first visit March 2017 - symptoms for borrelia, bart, babs?
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy

Purple Tulip
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   Posted 5/25/2017 11:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Kat, with Greek yoghurt they slide down easier.

Kat1000
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   Posted 5/26/2017 6:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I just ordered a new book to read about treatment. I'm hurting again and not happy, so will look into this.
Symptoms started early 2016 - possibly earlier?
pos for MTHTR single mutation
Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
LLMD first visit March 2017 - symptoms for borrelia, bart, babs?
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy

1000Daisies
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   Posted 5/26/2017 8:13 AM (GMT -7)   
We are over the bazillion pills per day. My kids just can't do it anymore. sad

They are on minimal pills nowadays. Instead, we are currently using tinctures. I dread the day where we need to go back to pills.

I'm in the middle of reading Rawl's book. I like what he says about a lot of things, but I also don't agree with everything either. I put the book down and need to head back to it.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

running wild
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   Posted 6/7/2017 3:48 PM (GMT -7)   
I missed this post, originally.

Have been on the Vital Plan since May 14. Started very slow as I've always been sensitive to medicines/herbs. So it has only been three weeks, but I'm not close to the recommended doses. The support people at Vital Plan are good with working with that and making suggestions.

Have felt better on some days, as some of you already know, and not so good on others, That is to be expected. The main problem I am having is with my stomach/digestion, so today a very helpful lady who takes phone calls for the plan told me to stop part of the program to see if that particular one may be causing problems.

Have had a couple of good days since starting this. Must say I do not have a lot of typical symptoms on this relapse most of you are experiencing. Mine center around anxiety, depression, tingling, skin breakouts, fatigue and some dizziness, at times. While it bothers me, I know things could be a lot worse.

It is too soon to know how well this will all work, but, as mentioned, I have felt some improvement. I believe even though I eat next to nothing trying to heal the gut, that is the area holding me back. Dr. Rawls, like others, believes the gut has to be good before healing can truly take place.

Just for the record, I have no business interests in the Vital Plan, and the only thing I have to gain is health. But I can tell you, like Purple Tulip mentioned, the support is excellent. With no current LLMD now, they are invaluable.

And as far as taking 24 pills, if you get to that dose, I find that task a pee in the ocean compared to all I have gone through with this. If I had to take 50 - no big deal.

Hope this helps some, and enjoy your night.

bmoberg337
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   Posted 6/7/2017 4:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the response! Definitely curious and hopefully to hear how you guys respond to the protocol. I've personally started to rework my protocol and restarted with one herb at a time to see if what I react to.

Part of this is because I don't want to take something if it doesn't work and also because I believed there is some truth to the th1/th2 balance in chronic illness patients. Following that theory there are some herbs that will be good for you and some that can make your symptoms worse.

I definitely have a positive and quickly noticeable reaction to andrographis. My mood is definitely more stable on this for some reason.

running wild
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   Posted 6/7/2017 4:57 PM (GMT -7)   
bmoberg - That is great to hear. Mood is so critical and an area that can make a huge difference in getting better. Not sure if it is Japanese Knotweed making things worse on stomach, andropraphis or either.

Going to stop the Advanced Biotic for a few days to see if that will make any difference. I asked if the three other bottles would still treat borellia, bartonella and babesia, and was told yes. So we'll see.

Like all this, it's trial and error. Hope you keep posting on your progress. I believe in this, though I did get about 80% better once with Bicillin shots, collodial silver and protease.

Like the herb approach much better, though I'm hungry smile.

bmoberg337
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   Posted 6/7/2017 6:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Runningwild,

I hope switching that stuff out helps your GI issues. I think I've been one of the lucky ones that hasn't had a whole lot of GI issues and haven't noticed anything with abx or herbals. I think the only thing that ever upset my stomach was garlic with acillin, but it would only last for about 30 minutes. Not sure if they put that in any of their formulas, but even if they did it might be in a small does, maybe not enough to cause GI issues. Best of luck!

Hoagie
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   Posted 10/19/2017 6:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Any updates on this protocol?

bmoberg337
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   Posted 10/19/2017 8:32 AM (GMT -7)   
I've been taking Cat's Claw, Japanese Knotweed, and Andrographis for about 7 months now and haven't noticed any benefit. Personally I have seen more benefit from LDN and for the brief period that I was on a low dose of testosterone with HCG.

I will say the Andrographis seems to help my mood and it was noticeable within a week of taking it. I literally stopped taking all my med's and started taking them 1 by 1 to see how they effected my body. I felt that Garlic was making me feel worse, Cats Claw keeps me up at night if I take it past 5 in the afternoon, Cordyceps and Chinese skull cap do not seem to do anything for me and the others I've stayed on purely because they seem to be a staple in a lot of protocols. One of the biggest challenges of dealing with this disease is that almost all of the treatment options out there take time to determine if they will work or not. Unfortunately, if they don't work it takes you at least 6 months to figure that out.

Pianist
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   Posted 11/4/2017 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Purple Tulip and running wild,

Can you please report on how you're doing on the Rawls protocol? Did it work?????

Girlie
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   Posted 11/4/2017 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Pianist - if they don't post on this thread - you can always send them an email - I see both have theirs' enabled.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Purple Tulip
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   Posted 11/5/2017 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone!

I have now completed over 6 months on the Rawls plan and I am doing quite well. I had a busy summer and I have had many stressers since September I sold my house (downsized to an apt while the market is good) traveled to take care of my pre school grandgirlies, traveled to speak at a ladies conference and completed papers and oral exam for a course I was taking. My energy level has been good and I kept even. My joint issues are improved. In some ways I am much improved but think if I were only working on my health I’d be doing amazing.

I seriously doubt I would have able to do all I have accomplished without a crash, had I not been taking the “vital plan.” I am on my way to China (with my husbands Job, an opportunity I just couldn’t turn down!) and I made sure I had my supply arrive before I left. I look forward to a time of rest-eventually. But in the mean time, vital plan is enabling me to do life without saying no. I will, however, take time to rest soon!!

Post Edited (Purple Tulip) : 11/5/2017 3:25:09 PM (GMT-7)


goshawk
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   Posted 11/5/2017 3:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Glad to hear you are doing well, but please do take care to rest so you stay healthy.

Take care and enjoy your trip sounds exciting!!!
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Girlie
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   Posted 11/5/2017 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Great news, Purple Tulip! Sounds like the Rawls plan is working for you!

As goshawk said - make sure you get your rest!!!
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Purple Tulip
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   Posted 11/6/2017 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks! Ive got 15 hours on the first flight (this afternoon). I’ll be sleeping and resting.
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