Serrapeptase - A miracle pill for Herx's!

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tickonboard
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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
GOOD NEWS! I found something that took away ALL kinds of crazy Herx symptoms, full body pain, pressure build up in system, difficulty taking a full breath, nerve vibration and tingling, numbness, just feeling weighted down and like crap in general.. all GONE with these pills smile)))

Buhner mentions this on his website too..
"Serrapeptase" is the name, I got the "Source Naturals" brand on Amazon.

He mentions that it breaks down the biofilms in the body, I think mainly from Mycoplasma possibly, which helps them then get released from the body more easily. It reduces inflammation too, its a systematic enzyme.

You have to be careful when you start on these however, as they can make some people sick, so I was cautious and just started with one pill, on an empty stomach with a 8 ounce glass of water at first..

but the most incredible thing happened for me (and others according to the amazon reviews), all the pain and pressure in my whole body melted away COMPLETELY!

I should also mention one of the biggest most helpful things is that I can BREATH soooo much easier! Which got rid of a lot of anxiety, because its super scary not being able to breath/get a full breath in :'(

YAY!!!!!!!! smile)))

Now I am taking them every day, and I notice when it wears off in the evening, all the pain and pressure starts kicking back in, so I take another in the evening and 20- 30 minutes later, its ALL GONE again smile

just took two pills this morning and feel better than ive felt in a long time smile which also gave me more energy to do things, and function in ways I haven't been able to in months!

I hope it works this way for everyone's herx's!

Post Edited (tickonboard) : 5/31/2017 1:11:36 PM (GMT-6)


caramba
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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
how are you taking them? 3 times a day? with food? what dose?

Thanks

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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm so glad that the serrapeptase has worked so well for you, but it may not work as well for others. It's all in what they need.

"Serrapeptase is an immunologically active enzyme. It can bind itself to the alpha 2 macroglobulin in our plasma where it is shielded from the immune system while retaining its enzymatic activity, and in this way, it is transferred to the sites where the body needs it. It is this same type of powerful yet specific action that allows silkworms to eat its own protective cocoon, digest it without any side effects and fly away. Amazingly, serrapeptase has the distinct ability to digest only non-living tissue allowing the old toxic layers that clog the digestive system and the lining of our arteries to dissolve."

/www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/health-benefits-of-serrapeptase/
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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Oops, I was going to ask which Buhner's book you found this in? I'm not finding it in mine, so I was looking for guidance from you on that!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Many, many years ago, before I knew anything about lyme and I was healthier:

My husband had some leftover pain from a car accident - in the thoracic back area.

He read about Serrapeptase helping with injuries...so he bought it and said it did work. He used it for several months...and even tried to get his mother to try it for an injury she had.

So, it was interesting when I started treating lyme and saw that Serrapeptase was an option for biofilms.
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tickbite666
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   Posted 5/31/2017 12:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Usually Buhner doesn't suggest treatment of biofilms... I'ld like to see the reference as well.

Also note that if Serrapeptase is taken with or close to a meal it only works as a digestive aid.

tickonboard
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   Posted 5/31/2017 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
caramba said...
how are you taking them? 3 times a day? with food? what dose?

Thanks


Caramba- I started out taking one with 8 oz of water on an empty stomach (because it may make some people sick) then when I felt great and noticed it helped, I take 2 - 2x a day on an empty stomach with at least 8oz of water.

This may sound weird, but I even have more saliva in my mouth, and my whole body and tongue feels tingly, with a refreshing "coolness" sort of feeling, and alive!

I noticed when I Herx my mouth gets dry and feel it is clogging up my endocrine system, which controls things like saliva in your mouth, so it must be clearing away all sorts of channels.. hope it helps you!

Post Edited (tickonboard) : 5/31/2017 12:19:52 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/31/2017 1:07 PM (GMT -6)   
tickbite666 said...
Usually Buhner doesn't suggest treatment of biofilms... I'ld like to see the reference as well.

Also note that if Serrapeptase is taken with or close to a meal it only works as a digestive aid.


Yes - must be taken on an empty stomach...
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

tickonboard
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   Posted 5/31/2017 1:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Oops, I was going to ask which Buhner's book you found this in? I'm not finding it in mine, so I was looking for guidance from you on that!


tickbite666 and Traveler-
It's on his website in these posts:
(I found many helpful things on his website)

Under Mycoplasma: on this link - buhnerhealinglyme.com/the-protocols/
He states:

"MYCOPLASMA

Serrapeptase: 1 capsule daily on empty stomach – this will help break the mycoplasma cell walls open and make them more vulnerable to the herbs;"


Also found on this post: http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/serrapeptase/

Dear Stephen,
Can you tell me what dosage of serrapeptase I need to take while on your plan? Nutramedix has 500 mg in each pill and Sedona Labs makes Serraphase with 10 mg per pill. It states on the label that it is a potent systemic enzyme and to only take 3 a day max. I live in the UK. Can you tell me brands that are sold here, please? Thanks for all you do.

Stephen’s response:
Most people with lyme use serrapeptase to help break up biofilms; the supplement is also useful to help break up blood clots (making it useful in babesia and bartonella, for example), to lower inflammation in the body, and for certain kinds of pain. In general I don’t feel it an essential supplement in the treatment of lyme, though for some it is very useful. Most herbs, btw, will break up biofilms; I have a long list in the new edition of the lyme book.
Stephen

It may be more helpful for people who have a lot of Mycoplasma and Bartonella?
I do have those two co-infections most in my system.

Post Edited (tickonboard) : 5/31/2017 12:18:08 PM (GMT-6)


BJD55
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   Posted 12/17/2017 2:29 PM (GMT -6)   
tickonboard said...
caramba said...
how are you taking them? 3 times a day? with food? what dose?

Thanks


Caramba- I started out taking one with 8 oz of water on an empty stomach (because it may make some people sick) then when I felt great and noticed it helped, I take 2 - 2x a day on an empty stomach with at least 8oz of water.

This may sound weird, but I even have more saliva in my mouth, and my whole body and tongue feels tingly, with a refreshing "coolness" sort of feeling, and alive!

I noticed when I Herx my mouth gets dry and feel it is clogging up my endocrine system, which controls things like saliva in your mouth, so it must be clearing away all sorts of channels.. hope it helps you!

HI tick on board, are you still taking serrapeptase with good results? I have some on hand and am on the fence as whether or not to try it.

Amazon reviews for it seem pretty positive. It would be nice to find something to alleviate herx symptoms short of narcotics. (which I ain't gonna try)

BabsBunny
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Serrapeptase MADE me herx. Everyone is so different!
Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella. Symptoms began 5/2016, didn't start treatment until 9/2016. Slow but steady recovery.

*twitch twitch*

Eiren
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   Posted 12/18/2017 2:42 AM (GMT -6)   
tickonboard said...
Nutramedix has 500 mg in each pill and Sedona Labs makes Serraphase with 10 mg per pill. It states on the label that it is a potent systemic enzyme and to only take 3 a day max. I live in the UK. Can you tell me brands that are sold here, please? Thanks for all you do.



Just want to offer a general correction -

Nutramedix actually only has 100mg serrapeptase in each pill. The other 400mg is Jerusalem artichoke.

I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that mixture (or why the labeling suggests it is 500mg of serrapeptase).

I use it along with Cat's Claw (and also teasel). Not sure how much of an effect it's having. I'm not experiencing crazy herxes or anything, so maybe that's good.

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   Posted 12/18/2017 3:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Eiren said...
tickonboard said...
Nutramedix has 500 mg in each pill and Sedona Labs makes Serraphase with 10 mg per pill. It states on the label that it is a potent systemic enzyme and to only take 3 a day max. I live in the UK. Can you tell me brands that are sold here, please? Thanks for all you do.



Just want to offer a general correction -

Nutramedix actually only has 100mg serrapeptase in each pill. The other 400mg is Jerusalem artichoke.

I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that mixture (or why the labeling suggests it is 500mg of serrapeptase).

I use it along with Cat's Claw (and also teasel). Not sure how much of an effect it's having. I'm not experiencing crazy herxes or anything, so maybe that's good.


This Nutramedix product says 500 mg Serrapeptase on the label. The ingredient listing says "proprietary Blend 1000 mg" which includes the Jerusalem artichoke.

/www.amazon.com/NutraMedix-Serrapeptase-500-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B0058AC12M
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

BJD55
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   Posted 12/18/2017 9:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Interesting. I've still not tried the serrapeptase yet. The reason I asked is that I'm a big chicken and a herx wimp. I'd probably be well by now if I could tolerate a herx better. I recently experimented with isatis-houtuynia-alchornea. 1 measly drop caused me a crazy 2 week long herx. I'm still gun shy. I'll wait til after the holidays before I gamble with the serrapeptase.

I noticed you reported the strength of nutramedix serrapeptase in mg. That had me wondering if the stuff I bought was okay as nutramedix has a good name in the Lyme world.

The serrapeptase I bought is Dr's Best but uses "spu' as the measurement rather than iu or mg. The Dr's Best is 120, 000 spu. Here's a quote from what I read on the website : http://m.serrapeptase.org/?ref=https%3A%2F%2F

" Questions:
How does an IU compare to an SU?
Technically there is no International Units for enzymes, so you really cannot compare the two units of measurement. Many companies assume that the SU denotes or equates to the international unit for Serrapeptase. So they blindly use the IU to denote SU. As confusing as this sounds, most companies are mistakenly using IU instead of SU to rate their Serrapeptase product, thinking that they are the same measurement."

What is better an SU or an IU?
It's really hard to say. It is possible some companies think the IU is the international unit for Serrapeptase and in this case they would be the same. Since this is not always the case, it is better to simply stay away from companies that do not know how to properly label their ingredients. In short, only buy Serrapeptase rated in SU or SPU, as these are the recognized activity assays used to rate the Serrapeptase enzyme."

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   Posted 12/19/2017 1:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Eiren said...
tickonboard said...
Nutramedix has 500 mg in each pill and Sedona Labs makes Serraphase with 10 mg per pill. It states on the label that it is a potent systemic enzyme and to only take 3 a day max. I live in the UK. Can you tell me brands that are sold here, please? Thanks for all you do.



Just want to offer a general correction -

Nutramedix actually only has 100mg serrapeptase in each pill. The other 400mg is Jerusalem artichoke.

I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that mixture (or why the labeling suggests it is 500mg of serrapeptase).

I use it along with Cat's Claw (and also teasel). Not sure how much of an effect it's having. I'm not experiencing crazy herxes or anything, so maybe that's good.


This Nutramedix product says 500 mg Serrapeptase on the label. The ingredient listing says "proprietary Blend 1000 mg" which includes the Jerusalem artichoke.

/www.amazon.com/NutraMedix-Serrapeptase-500-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B0058AC12M


Yes, and the "proprietary blend" is a lot of Jerusalem artichoke.

This is the labeling of the same formula in Europe: /www.koopjesdrogisterij.nl/p/nutramedix-serrapeptase-500-mg-120vc-773192.html

I'm not sure if they think the Jerusalem artichoke "potentiates" the serrapeptase or what, but no, there's not 500mg of just serrapeptase.

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   Posted 1/15/2018 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
So what happens when you are breaking up biofilms and on antibiotics for a certain pathogen but biofilms are busted up everywhere and now you have multiple pathogens floating around without an antibiotic to erradicate it? Is that possible?

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Tsak11 said...
So what happens when you are breaking up biofilms and on antibiotics for a certain pathogen but biofilms are busted up everywhere and now you have multiple pathogens floating around without an antibiotic to erradicate it? Is that possible?


Excellent questions. I want to know, too. I'm on a bunch of herbs that have action on all sorts of stuff, but my doses are still very tiny.

I've been taking 2,000mg of NAC daily for a year now. I wasn't taking it to bust biofilm. I was taking it because the doctor I was seeing thought it would help boost my glutathione and aid with detoxification. I know Buhner mentioned NAC is effective on biofilm, but is it enough? Should I be thinking about biofilm? If so, at what point during treatment?

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   Posted 1/15/2018 11:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Tickonboard,

I'm glad that you found something that helps with your herxes. I purchased this product and tried it out, but, unfortunately, it did not work for me. I added it to my herbal regimen, but didn't notice any difference.

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   Posted 1/16/2018 3:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Tsak11 said...
So what happens when you are breaking up biofilms and on antibiotics for a certain pathogen but biofilms are busted up everywhere and now you have multiple pathogens floating around without an antibiotic to erradicate it? Is that possible?


You have an increase in oxidative stress which is what causes us issues in the first place. I have not been able to overcome that stress as my immune system becomes overloaded and I "suffer." Sleep goes down even more, severe depression (the really bad kind), headaches, and my entire system seems out of whack. I do not feel it is something I can push through. Some may be able to, but too risky for me.

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   Posted 1/16/2018 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I just posted this question on another thread. I guess I should have posted it here:

Are serrapeptase and serrapeptidase the same thing?

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   Posted 1/17/2018 1:10 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I just posted this question on another thread. I guess I should have posted it here:

Are serrapeptase and serrapeptidase the same thing?


According to the following, it seems they are the same:

"Serratiopeptidase is the enzyme silkworms make to dissolve their cocoons. The tongue-twisting name of this enzyme is often shortened to serrapeptidase, serrapeptase, serralysin, serratia peptidase, serratio peptdisase, or Serratia E-15 protease. I'll use the terms serratiopeptidase and serrapeptase interchangeably in this article."

Source: myserratiopeptidasesite.blogspot.com/2012/04/welcome-to-my-serratiopeptidase-site-my.html

Also, thanks to a link that Georgia Hunter shared with me, I was led to another link, which, in turn, led me to the following free e-book:

The 'Miracle' Enzyme Is Serrapeptase
/www.serrapeptase.info/wp-content/customcode/bookdownload.php?f=Full_Serrapeptase_eBook.pdf

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   Posted 1/17/2018 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I recently did some research on serrapeptase to find out what it was because my LLMD has it listed as part of my "possibly for later" treatment plan to address biofilms, along with something to offset the side affects.

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   Posted 3/11/2018 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
So I took some serrapeptase (Dr. Best brand 40,000 spu) this morning as it is supposed to eat up scar tissue and I have Schatzki's Ring and was hoping it would help with that. I only took one pill and I feel terrible.

Can that one pill make me feel bad? I really want to try it for the scar tissue in my esophagus. If I take activated charcoal as well would that help? Any suggestions on how a person with Lyme can take it for a different purpose?

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   Posted 3/12/2018 1:22 AM (GMT -6)   
serrapeptase is making standard antibiotics work even on resistant strains of bacteria

here, it was tested IN VIVO, on catheter staph infection, with rifampin or vanco:
/academic.oup.com/jid/article/212/12/1883/2911924


i am taking 250,000 IU serrapeptase twice a day on empty stomach, along with my rifampin and mino, every day...

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   Posted 3/12/2018 2:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Raleighgirlie said...
So I took some serrapeptase (Dr. Best brand 40,000 spu) this morning as it is supposed to eat up scar tissue and I have Schatzki's Ring and was hoping it would help with that. I only took one pill and I feel terrible.

Can that one pill make me feel bad? I really want to try it for the scar tissue in my esophagus. If I take activated charcoal as well would that help? Any suggestions on how a person with Lyme can take it for a different purpose?


RaleighGirlie,

I'm sorry you felt so terrible, after taking the capsule of Serrapeptase. Did you take it by itself - away from food? Was there anything else that could have possibly caused you to feel so bad? Or, are you pretty certain it was the Serrapeptase?

Regrettably, I can't advise if taking Activated Charcoal will help or not. I simply don't know.

But, should you need an alternate supplement for your scar tissue, the following two Systemic Enzymes worked for reducing scar tissue (Dupuytren's Contracture) and tightness on the tendon of my ring finger.

pHi-Zymes
/www.baselinenutritionals.com/phi-zymes-90.php

Zymessence
/drwongsessentials.com/zymessence-systemic-enzymes-blend
/drwongsessentials.com/zymessence-compared

I took the pHi-Zymes first and the scar tissue was noticeably reduced in only a couple of weeks. Also, the tendon wasn't as tight.

Once I finished the bottle of pHi-Zymes, I decided to try Zymessence, as the manufacturer stated it was the strongest systemic enzyme available. But, really, I didn't notice any difference. The scar tissue and tendon tightness did not get any better or worse than when I was taking pHi-Zymes.

Once I finished the bottle of Zymessence, I didn't order any more of either brand. I waited several weeks and noticed the scar tissue seemed to worsen a little and the tendon was a bit tighter. But, it was still better than it was before taking either brand.

Now, a few months later, it's still better than it was originally. So, I maintained most of the benefits gained from taking the enzymes.

I hope you're able to find something that helps your Schatzki's Ring.

Best regards,
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