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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Alison8 said...
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602246&g=3865764#m3865764

This is the post I read, but I read it again and if I'm correct, this herbal protocol might be a personalised one instead of a generic-already-mixed one.

We have quite plenty of Chinese doctors here, we usually go there they check our tongue and pulses, listen to our symptoms and give personalised prescription with combination of herbs...

If it's a already-mixed prescription that can be applied for generic use, then I can ask the shops to just get the herbs for me. But if it's personalised, maybe it doesn't help after all...


I think that's more of a personalize protocol - but it would be a place to possibly start.

Another thing you can do is to take these articles with you about Gu syndrome as well:
/classicalchinesemedicine.org/gpa/driving-out-demons-and-snakes-gu-syndrome-a-forgotten-clinical-approach-to-chronic-parasitism/


/classicalchinesemedicine.org/gpa/gu-syndrome-in-depth-interview-with-heiner-fruehauf/


I was seeing a TCM doc that helped me to heal and she found these article to be helpful. Maybe it will be helpful to the TCM doc's that you see as well?
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 8:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Girlie, yes, then I know what is Japanese knotweed then. And it is readily available in just any local herbalist shop, in fact it can be used on it own by boiling water for some usual troubles.

One question though, if I'd try that should I do it after I finish the extended doxy or I can use it together?

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   Posted 6/17/2017 8:17 PM (GMT -7)   
You can start taking it now...but start at a low dose...and slowly increase.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Alison8
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   Posted 6/17/2017 9:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks traveler,

Along the way when I was reading all these, I was thinking to find a TCM doctor here at a hospital too. As in fact the only time I have taken drugs in these 5 years, was for malaria prevention last year and this time. I have always been a TCM person, but with this Lyme thing I have not thought about it at all before...

I'll still go back to the Western doctor for extension of the Doxy. At the same time I would ring up the hospital to look for a TCM doctor who has Lyme experience, I start to think that could be possible, as many of the TCM doctors there come from China. And Lyme is not at all that rare in China, comparing to Hong Kong. So possibly they could be more literate than the Western doctors.

I'll pass the articles as well, probably they cannot read it (since it's in English) but their assistants would be able to. Thanks a lot! I'll keep you guys posted. And if I manage to find a lyme literate TCM doc here, I hope I can help Kev as well...

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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Allison, sorry for late response...

I was mentioning, exactly ART Autonomic Response Testing in Singapore (the address given by Girlie).

I also found an article about Returning Sick Travelers from abroad, mentioning Borrelia and Babesiosis:
Dr. Samson SY WONG
Assistant Professor, Department of Microbiology, The University of Hong Kong, Queen Mary Hospital, Hong Kong


This is the author of the article:
http://www.hkcpath.org/article/sick-returned-traveller

I guess you have read all these articles below... Just in case, I'm posting them again.

http://chp.gov.hk/files/pdf/prevention_of_lyme_disease_in_hong_kong.pdf

https://hub.hku.hk/bitstream/10722/44717/1/8838.pdf?accept=1

In case you don't want to go chronic and you find no one that knows how to treat it, I would buy all Buhner's books (they are very inexpensive), and start from there.

I would also, parallel, continue on TCM. Chinese are very smart for finding herbal combinations for many infectious diseases. In fact, many of herbs people use against lyme are Chinese, from TCM.

Dr K (the guy who created ART) uses acupuncture (in the form of acupressure....) to ALL his patients, so that their organs keep working well. I tapped my meridians and acu points for years, and I still do, to keep healthy.

You could slowly add things, but I think starting on both Buhner and TCM is already a good start. Meanwhile, you can still try to find help.

I'm sure you can find practitioners there in HK using electrodermal testing, or something alike.

They can pick up many diseases using energy testing, and also find the exact herbs you need to use.

Plus find the acupuncture points to be treated, etc.

I met one practitioner from HK using quantum devices (from Prof Meyl, Germany) in a conference, here in Germany about a year ago or so.

He looked a serious guy, but I'm not sure he's treating lyme.

Why not giving him a call?

I'm not sure I can place his phone number here...

Gary Lim (naturopathic parctitioner)
gary AT oasisofhope.com.hk

If I may not post his phone here, try to find him in the phone book!.

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   Posted 6/18/2017 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Alison8 said...
Thanks traveler,

Along the way when I was reading all these, I was thinking to find a TCM doctor here at a hospital too. As in fact the only time I have taken drugs in these 5 years, was for malaria prevention last year and this time. I have always been a TCM person, but with this Lyme thing I have not thought about it at all before...

I'll still go back to the Western doctor for extension of the Doxy. At the same time I would ring up the hospital to look for a TCM doctor who has Lyme experience, I start to think that could be possible, as many of the TCM doctors there come from China. And Lyme is not at all that rare in China, comparing to Hong Kong. So possibly they could be more literate than the Western doctors.

I'll pass the articles as well, probably they cannot read it (since it's in English) but their assistants would be able to. Thanks a lot! I'll keep you guys posted. And if I manage to find a lyme literate TCM doc here, I hope I can help Kev as well...


It was a TCM doc that helped me heal the first time, and once I came across these articles and took them to her, things made more sense as to what we needed to do and what we were fighting for her. She actually studied some under Fruehauf, so she was excited to see some articles by him addressing this.

With the support she was able to give, and the targeted treatments we chose, I healed a 40 year old set of infections in two years of treatments. Now that was a TON of work for both of us to do during that time, but the LLMD I saw said we had to assume I had every single tick-borne infection there was, due to my symptoms and symptom severity and told me I would be in treatment for 10 years or so. Seems like I found a bargain!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New Lyme case 8/2014 - Healed 1/31/15 - unknowingly had Asymptomatic Babs and Asymptomatic Bart, being treated now though (2/2016)

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   Posted 6/19/2017 6:18 AM (GMT -7)   
I have contacted the first GP that prescribed me the Doxycycline, and he was very reluctant to extend my course of antibiotics even after I showed him the ILADS treatment guidelines. His reason was that he would follow the guidelines of CDC, and he does not know for sure if ILADS shall be more trusted concerning treatment guidelines.

In the mean time, I have found that I made a mistake in my previous posts - in fact my prescription of Doxy is only 100mg twice a day. Now it makes me even worry more.

I have contacted Dr Samson Wong that Jinna found (thanks a lot!), however he cannot admit patients for consultation due to his current practice - but he recommended a doctor specialise in infectious disease. I guess that is as close to an expert in Hong Kong. I will see him tomorrow, and I hope he would be more literate and willing to listen.

I will see a TCM doctor on Thursday too, I've decided to see one no matter what. They are always good for strengthening your immune anyway, whether I am on antibiotics on right dosage or not. Hopefully with good immune it would help.

In the mean time, my now 10cm diameter rash has faded into very light color for no reason, my arm is no longer numbed, but everyday in the afternoon I would have brain fog and super tired that I have to take a nap. I have to make myself not to drink the second cup of coffee in mid afternoon...
With the rash fading coinciding with the start of the antibiotics, I guess I can really stop being in denial thinking that maybe I don't have Lyme...

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   Posted 6/19/2017 6:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, if their argument is that they want to follow the CDC, I would inquire about why they aren't following IOM's recommendation, and that the ILADS guidelines is the one that is now on the National Guidelines Clearinghouse - not the ILADS/CDC guidelines: www.ilads.org/ilads_news/2015/ilads-treatment-guidelines-are-now-summarized-on-the-national-guideline-clearinghouse-website/

"FACT: The IDSA guidelines for the treatment of Lyme disease are not even listed on the National Guideline Clearinghouse, because they are out of date and don’t conform to the stringent standards for guideline development established by the Institute of Medicine (IOM). The only guidelines for the treatment of Lyme disease currently listed on the NGC website are the guidelines published by the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), which would support extended treatment with antibiotics, when necessary. (4)"
www.joshcutler.com/lyme_disease_resources


Although I do understand why you may wish to just move on and get treatments started - this may be of help to you later, or someone else.

I wish you the best of luck!! Please do let us know how you are doing!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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   Posted 6/19/2017 11:37 PM (GMT -7)   
The infectious disease specialist I saw today had actually treated some Lyme disease patients! And he seems to be a nice and reasonable man. Firstly he agreed that 2 weeks of doxy is not enough and he personally recommends 4-6 weeks for early stage. But concerning 100 vs 200 mg, he explained to me that with the building and size of my body (I'm a petite size Asian), 200mg would be too much for my body to handle.

On the other hand he prefers to still do some testing even though I have started treatment. That includes igg and igm, and also check my liver and kidney function.

He's also concerned about barb and Bart, he treats a case in barb before but he said that is not the first thing to treat or concern now.

So after all my situation is not so bad now. But I would still see tcm doc while waiting for the test report.

Thanks you guys for the support!!

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   Posted 6/20/2017 2:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Alison8 said...
The infectious disease specialist I saw today had actually treated some Lyme disease patients! And he seems to be a nice and reasonable man. Firstly he agreed that 2 weeks of doxy is not enough and he personally recommends 4-6 weeks for early stage. But concerning 100 vs 200 mg, he explained to me that with the building and size of my body (I'm a petite size Asian), 200mg would be too much for my body to handle.

On the other hand he prefers to still do some testing even though I have started treatment. That includes igg and igm, and also check my liver and kidney function.

He's also concerned about barb and Bart, he treats a case in barb before but he said that is not the first thing to treat or concern now.

So after all my situation is not so bad now. But I would still see tcm doc while waiting for the test report.

Thanks you guys for the support!!


Hi Alison, just back, do you mind sending me a private message regarding the Infectious Disease Specialist that you saw? Many thanks!

Jinna
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   Posted 6/20/2017 2:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Heeey! This is good news!!!

I thought infectious disease doctors there would be the same as here in Europe (= loss of time!), but you got a good one!!

Congratulations!!

I'm glad the other Dr. wong recommended him to you. What a lucky day!



Anyway, LATER, in case you feel antibiotics are not matching your body, I would DEFINITIVELY give a call to the other guy I mentioned.

I met him personally in a conference of scalar waves. Dr. Meyl, a German physicist developed an amazing device used to treat many conditions, including TERMINAL stages of cancer. I attended the conference last year (or 2 years ago, can't remember), and a few physicians, oncologists were presenting their ASTOUNDING results with severe cases of cancer.

The treatment is VERY easy to apply, takes maybe a few minutes, has no side effects, uses basically the photon-field of the patient to treat him / her. And results come back (if they come) VERY FAST.

I don't know how knowledgeable is that practitioner with infectious diseases, but I would know what to do (like put the Borrelia nosodes dr. Woitzel uses for lyme) in that scalar wave device of Prof. Meyl and just try!!

If I had the chance to get my hands on that wonderful scalar device of prof. Meyl, you bet I would have already tried it!

I no longer have lyme, that stopped after photon treatment with nosodes in 2009 (I used though the PE1, an infrared device).

The scalar wave device of prof Meyl is very easy to use, very non-invasive, and may (I stress, 'MAY') produce very fast results, if it is comparable to the photon treatment of dr. Woitzel.

for cancer, that is an immune disease, it DOES produce fast results. Lyme is ALSO an immune disease, and besides, photon treatment using nosodes is an IMMUNE treatment too.
Not the traditional anti-microbial treatment, I mean.

that is why I think that scalar wave device could do a similar job as the infrared device.

in fact, when I mentioned to Prof. Meyl how I was healed from lyme using infrared, his comment was: the device you used probably emits scalar waves too, and that is how you healed!

I contacted then the PE1 maker, and he said that it is very possible that it is true. No one can measure scalar waves, that is why we do not know for sure.

If I remember right, that naturopathic practitioner has Prof. Meyl's device in his clinic.

As he's a naturopathic doctor, he may ALSO know TCM too and may use electrodermal testing. Electrodermal testing can catch all the coinfections and other parallel infections quite easily.

I know it's a lot of information at once, you haven't even started treating lyme yet properly, but if you have to go through the normal antibiotic + herbal way, it will take you months, probably years to heal,....

... while adding such scalar waves / photon / nosodes therapy will boost the results (IF the device works well to read and transmit Borrelia nosode information as much as certain infrared devices do).

If I were you, I would have no doubt than trying that approach TOO, while you can still go to see the TCM and infectious disease doctor.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 6/20/2017 3:26:15 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 6/20/2017 4:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Kev9412 said...
Alison8 said...
The infectious disease specialist I saw today had actually treated some Lyme disease patients! And he seems to be a nice and reasonable man. Firstly he agreed that 2 weeks of doxy is not enough and he personally recommends 4-6 weeks for early stage. But concerning 100 vs 200 mg, he explained to me that with the building and size of my body (I'm a petite size Asian), 200mg would be too much for my body to handle.

On the other hand he prefers to still do some testing even though I have started treatment. That includes igg and igm, and also check my liver and kidney function.

He's also concerned about barb and Bart, he treats a case in barb before but he said that is not the first thing to treat or concern now.

So after all my situation is not so bad now. But I would still see tcm doc while waiting for the test report.

Thanks you guys for the support!!


Hi Alison, just back, do you mind sending me a private message regarding the Infectious Disease Specialist that you saw? Many thanks!


I actually wanted to do that before you wrote, but I don't seem to find how to send a pm... Maybe my brain dog...

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   Posted 6/20/2017 6:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Kev will have to enable his email (and/or you can) through this site before you can email each other. To do that, go to "My profile" ---> "edit my profile". From there, you scroll down just a bit until you see "show my email" (click so that this is working), then scroll just a bit further and put in your email address.

Then, be sure to scroll to the bottom of the page and click the "submit" button to save your changes.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

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   Posted 6/20/2017 6:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Traveler said...
Kev will have to enable his email (and/or you can) through this site before you can email each other. To do that, go to "My profile" ---> "edit my profile". From there, you scroll down just a bit until you see "show my email" (click so that this is working), then scroll just a bit further and put in your email address.

Then, be sure to scroll to the bottom of the page and click the "submit" button to save your changes.


Aha, I think I made it. Thanks Traveler!

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   Posted 6/20/2017 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Yep, you're good to go!!! Thank you!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

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   Posted 6/20/2017 6:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Alison8 said...
Kev9412 said...
Alison8 said...
The infectious disease specialist I saw today had actually treated some Lyme disease patients! And he seems to be a nice and reasonable man. Firstly he agreed that 2 weeks of doxy is not enough and he personally recommends 4-6 weeks for early stage. But concerning 100 vs 200 mg, he explained to me that with the building and size of my body (I'm a petite size Asian), 200mg would be too much for my body to handle.

On the other hand he prefers to still do some testing even though I have started treatment. That includes igg and igm, and also check my liver and kidney function.

He's also concerned about barb and Bart, he treats a case in barb before but he said that is not the first thing to treat or concern now.

So after all my situation is not so bad now. But I would still see tcm doc while waiting for the test report.

Thanks you guys for the support!!


Hi Alison, just back, do you mind sending me a private message regarding the Infectious Disease Specialist that you saw? Many thanks!


I actually wanted to do that before you wrote, but I don't seem to find how to send a pm... Maybe my brain dog...


Just clicking the envelop sign below my username would be nice turn

Alison8
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   Posted 6/20/2017 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks traveler, and Kev I sent you an email already.

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   Posted 6/20/2017 8:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm glad you two connected! smile
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/
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