Side Acuta or Houttuynia first for bartonella?

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Aerose91
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   Posted 6/18/2017 11:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey there. Im finally starting the Buhner protocol. Ive already gotten up to the max doses of knotweed, cats claw and cordyceps so now it's time to add the antibiotic herbs.

Should i start sida or houtt first? And is it best to get to the max dose of one before starting the other? Or is it better to incrimentally increase both simultaneously?

Thanks for any help. Praying this may finally end my 6 year journey to hell
*fingers crossed*

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   Posted 6/18/2017 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if there's a preferred one to start first.

But because the herbs work synergistically - I would start one and slowly increase for a few weeks - then add the second one. Then when you are taking them both at low dose - you can alternate increasing each one a few drops every few days.

I wouldn't try to get to max dose on one first before adding the second one - that could take many weeks to months.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Aerose91
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   Posted Yesterday 12:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok, ill do that. Thanks, Girlie!

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   Posted Yesterday 12:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Keep us posted -



Both those herbs are powerful - make sure you have good detox methods in place.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

bluelyme
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   Posted Yesterday 1:41 AM (GMT -6)   
sida didnt do much for me and whole leaf decotion and tincures of houtty didnt either(neither did abart but then i started zhang hh2 with allicin and blamo , now im killing bart again pairing with bvt and propolis though. getting ready to try essential medica bart formula soon too

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   Posted Yesterday 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...

I wouldn't try to get to max dose on one first before adding the second one - that could take many weeks to months.


^ I made this mistake, and if I could do it again, I would not do it like this. I feel we lost a lot of time with this approach.

I have switched to combination herbals at this point.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

Aerose91
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   Posted Yesterday 10:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, guys. I will.

I've done a solid year of liver, lymph and kidney detox to prep for this and still use epsom salt baths, IR sauna and coffee enemas if needed. Also made good strides with gut health. Hopefully that will prove to be enough

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   Posted Yesterday 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD started me on houttiya for bart. He said 5 drops a day and add a drop a week until I hit 30. That seems painfully slow to me and I'm going to try increasing faster. I'm also taking red root and samento.
Symptoms started early 2016 - possibly earlier?
pos for MTHTR single mutation
Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
LLMD first visit March 2017 - symptoms for borrelia, bart, babs?
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps.

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   Posted Yesterday 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
Girlie said...

I wouldn't try to get to max dose on one first before adding the second one - that could take many weeks to months.


^ I made this mistake, and if I could do it again, I would not do it like this. I feel we lost a lot of time with this approach.

I have switched to combination herbals at this point.



I'm not sure if combination herbals to start is the best way, though...as if you do have a reaction, you won't know which one caused it.


1000Daisies - so you originally did one at a time...to full dose...and then added in second one...etc?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Aerose91
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   Posted Yesterday 11:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Kat1000 said...
My LLMD started me on houttiya for bart. He said 5 drops a day and add a drop a week until I hit 30. That seems painfully slow to me and I'm going to try increasing faster. I'm also taking red root and samento.


I'm the same as you, i hate the painfully slow process, lol. I just want to deal with the pain and bulldog through it. Alas, i know we can't do it that way

1000Daisies
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   Posted Yesterday 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
1000Daisies said...
Girlie said...

I wouldn't try to get to max dose on one first before adding the second one - that could take many weeks to months.


^ I made this mistake, and if I could do it again, I would not do it like this. I feel we lost a lot of time with this approach.

I have switched to combination herbals at this point.



I'm not sure if combination herbals to start is the best way, though...as if you do have a reaction, you won't know which one caused it.


1000Daisies - so you originally did one at a time...to full dose...and then added in second one...etc?


That is the controversy and varying opinions on that. I know it scared me originally when I was new to herbs, so I did one at a time.

Many people do the Bryon White formulas, and those have many, many more herbs in one bottle than what I'm currently using (I was just reading their list of ingredients in some of their bottles). Yet, few comment about those starting off with too many.

I just know that I feel our progress was way too slow building up one at a time (took several months with little progress), and if I had to do it again, I would not do it that way. I'm not saying doing them all at once, but I would definitely do combination herbals to start with. If you have a reaction, then you can go individually. But if you don't have an adverse reaction to one of the herbals in the combination, you can progress at a much quicker rate than what we did.

I converted us over to some of the combination herbals at this point, but we had already done majority of those individually anyways. So, at this point, it is rather low risk for us. But like I said, I wish I would have started in that manner first. I feel I lost a lot of time. Several months to get up to the "core" protocol is far too long IMHO.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but much better lately!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, very bad year
Kid#3: Doing great, minor relapse, but great again (ironically had least and shortest treatment)!
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids) - not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue, kidney, heart, and yeast issues

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 6/19/2017 12:15:22 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted Yesterday 12:27 PM (GMT -6)   
That's why so many herx on Byron White - as you said, they have a lot of different herbs in them. I always suggest that a person who is new to these herbs start one at a time. It can take as little as one or two doses to know if you have a bad reaction to them or if we are going to herx badly on them (yet it can take me up to 3 weeks to experience a herx), and by adding them in at low doses you can get up on a lot of herbs quickly (all at low doses), then raise the amounts over time.

Either way, we have to titrate up slowly, as the body can handle it.
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   Posted Yesterday 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you read Buhner's Bart book? It's got a lot of really good information in it about treating these infections. In his Bart book Buhner says:

"The antibacterial regimen, should you desire to use it, consists of Alchornea cordifolia, isatis, and houttuynia. These herbs will help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions. Sida acuta is also a broad-spectrum and strongly systemic antibacterial and is broadly active against the Proteobacteria phylum."

Personally, I had an easy time with the Sida acuta, but the Houttuynia has always been a very strong and potent medicine for me.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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   Posted Yesterday 9:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
Have you read Buhner's Bart book? It's got a lot of really good information in it about treating these infections. In his Bart book Buhner says:

"The antibacterial regimen, should you desire to use it, consists of Alchornea cordifolia, isatis, and houttuynia. These herbs will help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions. Sida acuta is also a broad-spectrum and strongly systemic antibacterial and is broadly active against the Proteobacteria phylum."

Personally, I had an easy time with the Sida acuta, but the Houttuynia has always been a very strong and potent medicine for me.


I actually don't have his book, im literally that broke. I used the last of my $$ last year to see a doctor who is versed in Burner's. He told me to to take:

Knotweed
Cat's Claw
Cordyceps
And for antibacterials: Sida Acuta and Houttuynia.

Do you think those 2 are sufficient for bart? Makes me a little nervous that he suggests so many others in the book. I also have mycoplasma and chlymadia pneumonia

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   Posted Today 8:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 - yes... I think sida acuta and houttuynia are perfect for approaching the bart. I herxed with both, more so with houtt...
In December of 2015. I thought I was dying. I began to research symptoms and began considering lyme in January of 2016 and the Horowitz Questionnaire convinced me to take immediate right action: changed diet, used Buhner recommended herbs, followed advice here. Today I feel GREAT and although I have some remaining symptoms, my health is basically back.

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   Posted Today 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
Traveler said...
Have you read Buhner's Bart book? It's got a lot of really good information in it about treating these infections. In his Bart book Buhner says:

"The antibacterial regimen, should you desire to use it, consists of Alchornea cordifolia, isatis, and houttuynia. These herbs will help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions. Sida acuta is also a broad-spectrum and strongly systemic antibacterial and is broadly active against the Proteobacteria phylum."

Personally, I had an easy time with the Sida acuta, but the Houttuynia has always been a very strong and potent medicine for me.


I actually don't have his book, im literally that broke. I used the last of my $$ last year to see a doctor who is versed in Burner's. He told me to to take:

Knotweed
Cat's Claw
Cordyceps
And for antibacterials: Sida Acuta and Houttuynia.

Do you think those 2 are sufficient for bart? Makes me a little nervous that he suggests so many others in the book. I also have mycoplasma and chlymadia pneumonia


Would you please email me? I have a way to help.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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   Posted Today 11:19 PM (GMT -6)   
multifacetedme said...
Aerose91 - yes... I think sida acuta and houttuynia are perfect for approaching the bart. I herxed with both, more so with houtt...


smile smile

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   Posted 6/21/2017 2:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
Kat1000 said...
My LLMD started me on houttiya for bart. He said 5 drops a day and add a drop a week until I hit 30. That seems painfully slow to me and I'm going to try increasing faster. I'm also taking red root and samento.


I'm the same as you, i hate the painfully slow process, lol. I just want to deal with the pain and bulldog through it. Alas, i know we can't do it that way


in my opinion ,its best not to beat around the bush with this nerve eating ,double cell walled beast we call bartonella . Do both asap add whatever you can afford ,bvt allicin , alcorea ,mail order rifampin and zith...propolis etc etc

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   Posted 2/15/2018 1:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Agree with BlueLyme, I really wish I had been allowed to start treatment for Bart immediately BEFORE officially testing +ive for Bart. The irresponsible, clueless doctor whom I went to after the deep puncture wound gave me NO prophylactics for it, even though I went to him just 24 hrs post the cat bite (breaking all WHO animal bite protocols.) The sick kitten died 10 days later! My symptoms were classic Bart symptoms, but went undiagnosed for around 8 months. Have been on ABX treatment for around 7 1/2 months now under a very qualified Bartonella expert. My symptoms have mostly shrunk to the main one that started it all: my first most TANGIBLE symptom was pain the knees and swelling/discoloration in that area (aside from the initial excruciating lymph node pain.)

All my other symptoms have now shrunk to just that one area - the knee joints. I think the deeper you go into ABX treatment, the deeper it goes into body tissues and you kind of come around to your first, original symptoms as layers of the infection are peeled away.

I (and my treating doc) are aiming for a complete cure of this slow, persistent infection. I haven't tried herbs/tinctures yet but have the Buhner tinctures and may start adding them to the ABX protocol to speed the process. The ABX have definitely helped - without them I would be dysfunctional, seriously chronically ill or maybe even dead. My gut is telling me it's going to take about another 6 to 8 months to be fully cured.
Had Bart since cat bite in Sep '16, kitten died sick 10 days later. Undiagnosed for 6 months. Tested +ive for Bart in May '17. Around July '17 started treatment with ABX. Current symptoms: aching knee joints and swelling (which was my FIRST symptom.) Other symptoms (headaches, lymph pain, eye inflammation, vision problems, severe weakness, temperature fluctuations, etc) mainly gone away.

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   Posted 2/15/2018 3:54 AM (GMT -6)   
So Dollface did you first start with the Rifampin and then a week later you added in the Clarithromycin? Or was it vice versa ?
Was the transition from 300 mg of Rifampin all the way up to 900 mg a very difficult one?
Can bartonella be healed with only 300 mg Rifampin daily ?
Do you really have to take the Rifampin on an empty stomach? What if I take it while eating my breakfast cereal? Would that drastically diminish its effectiveness ?

Oh by the way : make sure you don't get a massive herx when adding in those herbs while being on antibiotics. That combo can be quite overwhelming.

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Dollface29
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   Posted 2/15/2018 9:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks insomniaaa!

My treatment has been like this (sorry if this gets long, hope it will be helpful smile :

when i first got symptoms, I self treated for 5 days with Azithro 500 mg. Helped, but didn't cure it. Symptoms relapsed in a week. I suffered 8-9 months undiagnosed symptoms with no abx.

Then, after blood report came back positive, I began proper treatment under Bart doctor.

First instructed to take Clarithro/Biaxin 500 mg twice daily, no other abx. I was VERY symptomatic at the time, and had an extreme gut reaction to Clarithro. Decided I couldn't take it, told my doc give up on me I'll just take herbs, I was despairing of treatment, told my doc I can't do the antibiotics, it's killing my gut.

He told me, relax, it's a herx, the Clarithro is killing the Bart in the gut first. He told me to take just 500 mg for a week, then slowly amp up to 1000 mg a day. He was absolutely right. I did that and had no gut issues at all since, and could take Clarithro with ease. Did that for I think around 3 months, and many of my symptoms decreased to where I was functional again, other symptoms suddenly appeared that I never had before (like burning in soles of feet) but the really DEEP inner symptoms were still very much there, like in my joints.

Next, I was told to add Rifampin 300 mg once daily for 2 weeks (along with Clarithro 1000 throughout), half hour before breakfast on empty stomach. Did this, got slight head-cold feeling, slight fatigue, but no other major symptom. Then, added Rifampin 600 mg two weeks later. Seemed to be improving knee pain, then I (foolishly) went off all ABX for a month because I got scared I was developing a yeast infection (because of weird, sudden excessive sneezing and fatigue etc). WRONG! It was not yeast. It was a herx. (Which was what my doctor told me.) I suffered the sneeze fits for a month without ABX and lots of probiotics and saurkraut etc, no improvement in the sneezing, and increasing joint aches. Re-started rifampin 600 mg, with Clarithro, all sneezing stopped and cleared, has not come back. It was a herx.

Then, added 900 mg rifampin after a month on the 600 mg. Massive herx immediately upon taking it the first 5 days, severe half-hour long headache (in EXACTLY the places in the left eye where I had problems), and SEVERE knee joint pain to the point I couldn't walk. I thought my knees were broken. Got MRI of knees, showed swelling but no problem in the knees themselves. A couple more days in, the intense pain became a milder sensation of inflammation, and then got better. It was a herx.

Now, I'm on the 900 mg Rifampin with the 1000 mg Clarithro and knee pain goes away every time I take the 900 mg. But if I miss it for even a day, I get the joint inflammation again, but milder than before.

So I know the rifampin is kicking Bart. I have no trouble taking rifampin now, I need it and depend on it making me better, it helps tremendously. Next step in my protocol is taking Rifampin 1200 mg with Clarithro 1000 mg continued.

My body weight is 120 lbs right now and I'm 5'6, so for my body weight this is a LOT, but it's helping me. I'm taking lots of probiotics to counter 2 hours after or before any abx.

It's a tough protocol, and Bart is tough to get rid of, and I really think it can be done! Slow, steady and persistent seems to kill Bart, these abx NUKE the Bart slowly, and help our immune systems deal with the bacterial load better.
Bart since Sep '16 from cat bite. Cat died days later. Undiagnosed for 9 months. Around July '17 started ABX. Current symptoms: aching knee joints and swelling. Other symptoms (headaches, severe lymph pain, eye inflammation, vision problems, severe weakness, fevers, etc) mostly GONE.

Post Edited (Dollface29) : 2/15/2018 8:30:00 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/15/2018 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if Bart can be cured with 300 mg Rif alone, but I think once you get used to the 300 mg, your body will find a way to adjust and benefit from a higher dose.

Re: absorption -- I've always taken it on an empty stomach following doc's instructions (and I know it's absorbed because my pee was bright red) HOWEVER, on some days, I take it with just a bowl of papaya (which is a light fruit rich in vitamin C) and it seems to still absorb.

I don't think it will be too difficult a transition but it depends on how much Bart is stored deep inside and needs to be killed. Earlier days are probably more confusing and emotionally more difficult, because there are more layers to be killed.

I seem to herx in an immediate pattern after any amped dose, then get much better as time goes forward. I think by the time you reach 900 mg, you might feel much better. All the very best to you, sending you tons of good vibes and support! I knows its a tough med, but Rifampin is there to fight for us.
Bart since Sep '16 from cat bite. Cat died days later. Undiagnosed for 9 months. Around July '17 started ABX. Current symptoms: aching knee joints and swelling. Other symptoms (headaches, severe lymph pain, eye inflammation, vision problems, severe weakness, fevers, etc) mostly GONE.

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   Posted 2/15/2018 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   
dang dollface that's a lot of rifampin for one of your weight.

you may want to look at switching to rifabutin. it has better/wider tissue penetration, a much longer half life and is easier on the gut and liver + you don't need as much.

if you are reacting after missing a day that's not necessarily the bart 'making a comeback so quickly'. this could very well be the residual effect of the rifampin busting up biofilms, killing persister lyme which releases toxins and general clean up. FYI this happens to me every time as i pulse rifabutin/bactrim MWF.

FYI bartonella also has parasitical tendencies so an anti-parasitical like alinia or lvermectin will most definitely hit it as well.

yes persistence and consistency is what we all need to do to kill this double gram negative beast.

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   Posted 2/15/2018 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Dollface - are you taking 450 twice daily of the Rifampin? Is that how you dose the 900?



Rikky1 - I think Dollface may be seeing who we (maybe just I) have called the Bart 'guru' - Dr. M.


I am emailing with someone else (another forum member) who sees Dr. M. and he is on higher doses of Rifabutin than what we typically see too.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 2/15/2018 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Rikki1! That's really good to know - no idea what Rifabutin is like, great to have this information about it. Thank you so much. Rifabutin is what my doc will next put me on after this rifampin course... I have to get a blood test again to check my liver and so far it seems to be holding up OK, all things considered.

That's really interesting about the residual effect you talk about - I guess that makes sense with the clean up and residue of busted biofilms. I am taking serrapeptase as well, which is a biofilm buster. Interesting to know you go through that too. Regarding Lyme, it's been confirmed I don't have it. I live in India where Lyme isn't prevalent, and everything started after my cat bite. I don't have the other 'co-infections', but Bart is pretty tough as is.

All my symptoms started after my infected cat bit me. Unfortunately Persian kittens have very weak immunity and she was incredibly sick. She passed on Bart, but ALSO - one of the deadliest bacterial infections currently being studied under tropical medicine - Scrub Typhus - which is a Rickettsial disease endemic to South Asian countries. Unlike Bart, it's not slow-growing, it's a lethal parasite and kills within DAYS. Got both these from my very infected kitten, she died within days of biting me. Scrub Typhus has a very high mortality rate, no one survives unless treated immediately with abx, but it is treatable. Survived 10 days undiagnosed, ended up in the ICU because my oxygen level had gone down to 40 and I was dying. No one thought to test for Bart at the time. Survived and cured Scrub Typhus, now I'm treating my one remaining infection: Bart. It definitely is a double gram negative beast.

Thanks for the helpful insight about anti-parasite meds - forgot this angle! Hope it's available where I live, I think they definitely might help too. It's so great when we stick together and help each other ultimately defeat this beast! Lots of good wishes to you in your full recovery!
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