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Sean.scott787
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   Posted 6/22/2017 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
If money was not an issue what would be the top place in the world to get treated for lyme and related problems? I know of sierra integrative medicine and infusio. Are those the top two places? What other facilities are there? Not really looking for a doctor but more of a facility where you stay and get treated every day. Thanks

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   Posted 6/22/2017 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
If I could go anywhere, I would go to Infusio. There's a clinic in Los Angeles and one in Germany. It's a 2-week treatment program consisting of a lot of different treatments, including stem cells.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
That's a very difficult question to answer. The most literal answer would be your PCP or ID doc and a month of doxy. The overwhelming majority of folks who are infected with lyme and treat with a month of doxy heal.

I know that's not what your asking though. What your looking for is what is the best treatment center for PTLSD or as some would argue, "chronic" lyme. The unfortunate answer is there is no miracle center out there that will guarantee healing. Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel abroad for stem cells and heal immediately, for others it has no impact what so ever.

I would also argue that some folks are absolutely convinced they have lyme, when in fact they don't and their lack of healing or response to lyme treatment only further skews the numbers.

Goodluck, I hope you get better soon.
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   Posted 6/22/2017 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   
If money was not an issue, I would rent a large cabin on a private lake. I'd hire a housekeeper. I'd hire a top quality organic healthy cooking chef (one that shopped and took care of my detoxing needs also). I'd hire a personal assistant to take care of my bill paying, my correspondence and mailing out of birthday cards. I would hire a full time herbalist that would just come and bring me my herbs to take so I would not have to keep track of any dose or type of herb. I would hire a personal trainer experienced in helping, very delicately and gently, a chronic lyme patient.

Yep, if money were no problem, that's where I would go.
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Mustard Seed
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Honestly, it's right here (and maybe Lymenet). You can find info on antibiotics, herbals, detox, finding an LLMD, thyroid, adrenals, mold, etc etc etc.

Going to these places that charge tens of thousands of dollars doesn't give you any better chance to heal in my opinion. There's a lot of people who've spent ridiculous amounts of money and not gotten better.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I healed and am just out the cost of tinctures and supplements and books.
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Sean.scott787
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I know infusio has a 80% success rate of people recovering fully or enough to lead a normal life. No LLMD has a success rate that is remotely close to that. (there's a reason celebrities go there haha) I've already tried antibiotics, herbals, detox, mold, metals......Some of those expensive facilities are a huge rip off but some are cutting edge with treatment and heal the majority of people that go there. Usually people that go to these expensive places as a last resort after they have tried everything else.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Mustard Seed said...
Honestly, it's right here (and maybe Lymenet). You can find info on antibiotics, herbals, detox, finding an LLMD, thyroid, adrenals, mold, etc etc etc.

Going to these places that charge tens of thousands of dollars doesn't give you any better chance to heal in my opinion. There's a lot of people who've spent ridiculous amounts of money and not gotten better.


If money wasn't an issue to me i'd buy the 247 acres next door and run some fiber optic to it and... well just be right where i am right now. With the internet and Buhners books. I've never liked LLMD's much though. I like that they acknowledge my condition, but beyond that it just feels like the same old same old. Too many supplements, i can never get enough time to actually prod them for their logic behind why they're prescribing all this... I've found self-treatment suits me best. I don't want to generalize all practices though, but i've never heard of one practice come forward that really stands out from the rest in terms of real life people talking about great successes

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean.scott256 said...
I know infusio has a 80% success rate of people recovering fully or enough to lead a normal life. No LLMD has a success rate that is remotely close to that. (there's a reason celebrities go there haha) I've already tried antibiotics, herbals, detox, mold, metals......Some of those expensive facilities are a huge rip off but some are cutting edge with treatment and heal the majority of people that go there. Usually people that go to these expensive places as a last resort after they have tried everything else.


Dr J. Reports a high success rate
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Sean.scott787
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Sean.scott256 said...
I know infusio has a 80% success rate of people recovering fully or enough to lead a normal life. No LLMD has a success rate that is remotely close to that. (there's a reason celebrities go there haha) I've already tried antibiotics, herbals, detox, mold, metals......Some of those expensive facilities are a huge rip off but some are cutting edge with treatment and heal the majority of people that go there. Usually people that go to these expensive places as a last resort after they have tried everything else.


Dr J. Reports a high success rate


Yes I've heard mostly good things about Dr Jemsek but from what I know he uses a very antibiotic heavy approach. I'm looking for a different approach. Also one that takes weeks not months or years. But thanks for the suggestion!

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean.scott256 said...
Girlie said...
Sean.scott256 said...
I know infusio has a 80% success rate of people recovering fully or enough to lead a normal life. No LLMD has a success rate that is remotely close to that. (there's a reason celebrities go there haha) I've already tried antibiotics, herbals, detox, mold, metals......Some of those expensive facilities are a huge rip off but some are cutting edge with treatment and heal the majority of people that go there. Usually people that go to these expensive places as a last resort after they have tried everything else.


Dr J. Reports a high success rate


Yes I've heard mostly good things about Dr Jemsek but from what I know he uses a very antibiotic heavy approach. I'm looking for a different approach. Also one that takes weeks not months or years. But thanks for the suggestion!


Yes he does focus on antibiotics - but I find it easier to tolerate because of the pulsing schedule.

I don't know of any place that treats for just weeks and has a high success rate. If that was the case the majority of Lyme patients would go there and be healed.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Sean.scott787
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
The infusio program is a week or two long and very successful. They really have the most cutting edge treatment I've researched. Unfortunately many of us including me can no long take antibiotics because of the damage they cause. But I am glad that they do help some people.

Sean.scott787
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I also think the Sierra Integrative program is about 2 weeks long

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean.scott256 said...
The infusio program is a week or two long and very successful. They really have the most cutting edge treatment I've researched. Unfortunately many of us including me can no long take antibiotics because of the damage they cause. But I am glad that they do help some people.


I'm not pushing the abx - not at all (sorry if I gave that impression) - I am saying that Dr J has a high success rate (in response to you saying no LLMD has success rate as high as the clinics.)

I don't believe that a one or two week program will heal Lyme disease.
That's their sales pitch I guess.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Lymepilot
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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean.scott256 said...
The infusio program is a week or two long and very successful. They really have the most cutting edge treatment I've researched. Unfortunately many of us including me can no long take antibiotics because of the damage they cause. But I am glad that they do help some people.


Don't you dare say long term antibiotics can cause damage nono

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   Posted 6/22/2017 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymepilot said...
Sean.scott256 said...
The infusio program is a week or two long and very successful. They really have the most cutting edge treatment I've researched. Unfortunately many of us including me can no long take antibiotics because of the damage they cause. But I am glad that they do help some people.


Don't you dare say long term antibiotics can cause damage nono


Of course they can - that is a known fact.

It's also known that untreated infections cause damage as well.

Most of my damage so far is from the infections going unchecked for over 15 months.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Jinna
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   Posted 6/22/2017 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I would go to dr. W in Germany for the photon treatment, then to Paracelsus, that is not that far.

I also like dr. K's approach, so I would go to see someone doing that.

but I agree with others. Most of the job has to be done by yourself.
No one knows your body more than yourself.

Like cooking good food, taking good care of your sleep, exercises, supplements...

I'm very much a DIY person, when comes to health. I think energy testing helps me, ART helps me, sometimes I need some new input or new views, or some new therapies (like Rapid Eye Movement, it does some deep changes in the limbic brain!).

If money would not be an issue, I would build a whole house that is EMR free, ground the whole floors, live in a place that is totally mobile antenna free.

I would buy all VFT products (Vital Force Technology) in reasonable quantities, enlarge my homeopathic library (that is already big, I swear), stock many Heel and Sanum products for the future (as they will probably disappear), enlarge my pathogen nosode library...

And buy these stuff to test / use:

- a nice PEMF mat (low intensity).
- a stronger PEMF for specific places (like joints, jaws)

- the PE1A, meaning, the PE1 improved with many more frequencies
- a Biomat

- a scalar wave device (like the one Prof Meyl designed, used to treat cancer).
- a Multi wave oscillator from Lakhovsky for emergencies.

- a Tesla light device for charging up with different noble gases
- Flanagan's NEO neurophone (it feels divine, I swear!)

- a nice FIR infrared sauna for winter
- a good ionic foot bath smile

Girlie
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   Posted 6/22/2017 4:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Sean - you didn't mention the Hansa centre. We have a few members who have done well there.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

mm57553
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   Posted 6/22/2017 6:44 PM (GMT -6)   
What I like about Infusio is that they flatly say that they do not treat Lyme. They treat chronic illness. They also treat cancer. They've just become really popular for Lyme because it seems to be pretty effective treatment. The celebrity clientele who have been treated for Lyme has added to that recently. It's more than just stems. The two week program is pretty intense. It includes lots of IVs, ozone treatments, etc. No pharmaceuticals. They don't even really want to see your previous labs. They will do their own diagnosis. They ask everyone to stop taking all medications (whenever possible) to allow the treatments to do their thing, which is get your own immune system back in order to do what it is meant to do. You also are sent home with instructions for the first 100 days, when the stems are working to reproduce and do their thing. It includes diet and lifestyle changes. Basically take it easy. I think it is a pretty sound program.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:20 PM (GMT -6)   
about claimed success rates.... Everyone has a high claimed success rate. Buhner says it too.

IMO, spend big money at your own risk. There's a lot of stories on Reddit and elsewhere, usually by chronic Lyme deniers, which go something like "my niece spent $50,000 at such and such clinic and didn't get better".

I honestly think these high price practitioners are one of the reasons chronic Lyme gets such a bad rep. Like going to Mexico for cancer treatment.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymepilot said...
That's a very difficult question to answer. The most literal answer would be your PCP or ID doc and a month of doxy. The overwhelming majority of folks who are infected with lyme and treat with a month of doxy heal.

I know that's not what your asking though. What your looking for is what is the best treatment center for PTLSD or as some would argue, "chronic" lyme. The unfortunate answer is there is no miracle center out there that will guarantee healing. Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel abroad for stem cells and heal immediately, for others it has no impact what so ever.

I would also argue that some folks are absolutely convinced they have lyme, when in fact they don't and their lack of healing or response to lyme treatment only further skews the numbers.

Goodluck, I hope you get better soon.
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Pilot i hope you're joking in your isda bs ?

I would do sierra and then sophia follow up with some salt lake stems and then do bees for life

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Lymepilot said...
That's a very difficult question to answer. The most literal answer would be your PCP or ID doc and a month of doxy. The overwhelming majority of folks who are infected with lyme and treat with a month of doxy heal.

I know that's not what your asking though. What your looking for is what is the best treatment center for PTLSD or as some would argue, "chronic" lyme. The unfortunate answer is there is no miracle center out there that will guarantee healing. Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel abroad for stem cells and heal immediately, for others it has no impact what so ever.

I would also argue that some folks are absolutely convinced they have lyme, when in fact they don't and their lack of healing or response to lyme treatment only further skews the numbers.

Goodluck, I hope you get better soon.
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Pilot i hope you're joking in your isda bs ?

I would do sierra and then sophia follow up with some salt lake stems and then do bees for life


Dead serious. And I didn't make a general statement or speak in absolutes. I absolutely acknowledged some suffering with "chronic" lyme are dealing with the effects of a lyme infection in some form or another, but I don't believe everyone who thinks they have lyme actually has lyme.

Absolutes and extremes are dangerous and I do t take anyone hat deals in them serious.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymepilot said...
That's a very difficult question to answer. The most literal answer would be your PCP or ID doc and a month of doxy. The overwhelming majority of folks who are infected with lyme and treat with a month of doxy heal.

I know that's not what your asking though. What your looking for is what is the best treatment center for PTLSD or as some would argue, "chronic" lyme. The unfortunate answer is there is no miracle center out there that will guarantee healing. Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel abroad for stem cells and heal immediately, for others it has no impact what so ever.

I would also argue that some folks are absolutely convinced they have lyme, when in fact they don't and their lack of healing or response to lyme treatment only further skews the numbers.

Goodluck, I hope you get better soon.
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You're joking - about the month of doxy...right? being sarcastic?

month of doxy - only if recent infection - won't do squat for a chronic infection.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Honestly, if you even slightly suspect Lyme, chronic or acute, a few weeks of Doxy should be step #1. That's something any good PCP should be able to provide, without seeing an LLMD.

Saying an overwhelming majority of chronic patients heal from that is probably pushing it, even if it does work on some people.

Like I've said before, the patients who heal quickly, we never hear about, because they don't spend their time on HealingWell or other forums. They have some symptoms, they suspect Lyme, they get Doxy, they get better, they move on.

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   Posted 6/22/2017 7:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Lymepilot said...
That's a very difficult question to answer. The most literal answer would be your PCP or ID doc and a month of doxy. The overwhelming majority of folks who are infected with lyme and treat with a month of doxy heal.

I know that's not what your asking though. What your looking for is what is the best treatment center for PTLSD or as some would argue, "chronic" lyme. The unfortunate answer is there is no miracle center out there that will guarantee healing. Some people spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel abroad for stem cells and heal immediately, for others it has no impact what so ever.

I would also argue that some folks are absolutely convinced they have lyme, when in fact they don't and their lack of healing or response to lyme treatment only further skews the numbers.

Goodluck, I hope you get better soon.
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You're joking - about the month of doxy...right? being sarcastic?

month of doxy - only if recent infection - won't do squat for a chronic infection.


You disagree that the overwhelming majority of people infected with lyme every year aren't cured with a month of doxy?????????

You didn't get cured, everyone on this site didn't get cured, but most did.
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