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inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 9:53 AM (GMT -6)   
I have multiple infections like lyme, Bart and babesia, I want to start Buhner protocol. Is there any combined protocol for that? I have all the books but I am confused where to start? Also, it says to take herbs for 30 days, but i have heard we need to take them for a full cycle of RBC division, i.e. roughly 5 months, If I opt for all 3 at once, wouldn't that me too much? I would like to get a feedback If anyone has done experience with Buhner protocol. Thanks.

PeteZa
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   Posted 7/10/2017 10:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you have Buhner's book Healing Lyme, Second Edition?

That is the book you want. If you go to Chapter 8, there is the core protocol. I don't remember seeing anything about taking the herbs for 30 days though??? You want to take the herbs until all symptoms are gone and then continue for added insurance for another 2-3 months.

By the way, Welcome here and so sorry you have lyme and co-infections. Have you read the first thread, New To Lyme? It is full of information.

Let me know if you have more questions about the Buhner protocol.

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 7/10/2017 10:11:24 AM (GMT-6)


1000Daisies
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   Posted 7/10/2017 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I am relatively new to the herbals, as I've been only doing it for almost a year now.

I understand about being confused/overwhelmed where to start. That is very challenging. I can definitely relate.

I chose to add one herb at a time. Now, in hindsight, I deeply regret that because it took me several months to get anywhere. I feel like I lost a lot of time with this approach.

If I were to do it again, I would do a combination herbal and go really really slowly. Right now, I switched to mostly combination herbals, and I'm very glad I did!

Woodland Essence has some new combination formulas that we've been using lately.
www.woodlandessence.com/herbal.htm

We are presently doing the following:
* Japanese Knotweed (individual)
* Neurocore (combination) - we had done most/all of these individually previously and switched to the combination one
* C.S.A. (Cryptolepis, Sida and Alchornea) (combination herbal) - targeting babesia
* Houttuynia - individual - targeting bartonella
* Isatis - individual - targeting bartonella

I have others in my queue that I want to add to my protocol in time, but this is where we are at now.
I may, at some point, switch over to Beyond Balance or Bryon White depending on what our future holds.

There are also other combination herbal protocols like Beyond Balance, Bryon White, or "Chronic Tonic" that others have used too.

With ANY combination herbals, please make sure to read the labels and make sure you don't have herbals in multiple products. For Neurocore, it didn't have Japanese Knotweed so I have to do that one individually. The JK combination herbal overlaps with Neurocore, so I couldn't do both combination herbals. Stuff like that.

I have read the 30 days or 60 days etc with some of his protocol recommendations. But in all honesty, I don't know anybody who treats that briefly. There are some herbs that are suggested to only be used short term though.

Wishing you the best of luck!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, still very bad
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 7/10/2017 9:40:11 AM (GMT-6)


inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes I have that book, but since I have other confections, and one protocol might take a year to get better, i want to treat Babesis and barts too. My Bart is predominating, I know. Also in book, i don't see, Japanese knotted mentioned as anti spirochetal unless I am missing it, but online resources says it is. If that is true, I can remove andrographis for knowing replace with side acuta. Thanks.


PeteZa said...
Do you have Buhner's book Healing Lyme, Second Edition?

That is the book you want. If you go to Chapter 8, there is the core protocol. I don't remember seeing anything about taking the herbs for 30 days though??? You want to take the herbs until all symptoms are gone and then continue for added insurance for another 2-3 months.

By the way, Welcome her and so sorry you have lyme and co-infections. Have you read the first thread, New To Lyme? It is full of information.

Let me know if you have more questions about the Buhner protocol.

PeteZa
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   Posted 7/10/2017 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I, on the other hand, did one herb at a time and moved up rather quickly, with no herxing. BUT - and this is huge - I have detoxed for years before I ever got lyme. All my systems were in top shape pre-lyme. I also had no stress in my life, like a job, kids, money problems, etc. And we eat organic pretty close to all the time.

So, for me and hubby to do Buhner's it was quick, in lyme time.

However, both hubby and I started with Beyond Balance, which is a combo herbal. And, even though we detox like crazy on a daily basis, we did Beyond Balance Tox Ease GL. We did both of these herbal combos along with Buhner's protocol.

So I really think both ways are great!

What we found was that we both required individual dosages and types of herbs. He needed some herbs that I did not need and vice versa.
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inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 11:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks 1000Daisies for detailed input.

Combination is a good idea. However, to start with, i thought I would try individually to observe any adverse reaction and later I will shift. also, I have read somewhere, their combo are less potent than individual extracts. What is your opinion? Are you taking other supportive herblike Milk thistle, I am already taking tons of other supplements that has made my lyme body and brain more like a functional human. If i have to pick atleast one killing herb for all three B's what would you recommend?

I have added in cart:
Sida acuta, hottunia, JK, so far.

Also, I am planning to order from sage women because their prices are significant less than woodland when order adds up. Do you have any experience with them?

I see you are treating your kids and have come long way, How you all are doing?

Thanks.

PeteZa
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   Posted 7/10/2017 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
inom, the sad part about "killing herbs" is that there is no proof that they do in fact kill.

These bacteria are microbes and our body is full of microbes. Most of them are being managed by our immune system and we don't have symptoms.

When we get weaken those bacteria and viruses come out and play.

I am healed from lyme. What that really means is that I helped my body learn how to keep lyme from giving me symptoms. If I had a lyme test today, I bet it would be positive. For this reason I will never give blood or donate my organs to anyone.

But, you are adamant about "killing herbs." The best for Lyme is andrographis, cryptolepis for babs and houttuynia for bart.

My opinion, is that those will not work without the body being able to detox the killed bugs and all the other toxins. So detoxing is important. Killing doesn't do good if the organ is struggling, so a healthy gut is important. Lyme eats collagen, so you need to replenish that and on and on.

It is a full time job, this getting lyme under control. It takes a lot a patience, which I was horrible at having. I wanted to go so fast and be well! So I do truly understand.
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PeteZa
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   Posted 7/10/2017 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
PS - Sage Woman is a great source for herbs.
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Girlie
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   Posted 7/10/2017 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi inom - welcome to our community!

People will often start with Buhner's core protocol for lyme...and then after several months on it, slowly add in some herbs for the coinfections.

Many of Buhner's herbs do have antibacterial properties: Japanese knotweed, houttuynia, Istatis,alchornea cordifolia, sida acuta, cryptolepis, etc. (This isn't a complete list)

yes, taking herbs together is better - as they work synergistically.


So, good to start with one...low dose...titrate up for a few weeks...then add in the second one...again low dose.

I have used both Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs...both on Stephen Buhner's recommended sources for herbs.

We do recommend all new members look through/read the information in the "New to Lyme?..Start Here!" thread
Lots of useful information there.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 1:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Petza! Thanks for sharing your story and feedback. I am in same boat, before getting diagnosed for Lyme, I already did manage to control lots of my symptoms, through detox, supporting gut, supplementing vitamins and mineral, i have had a long road of research and experimenting before landing here.

I agree with you we need to support our body to keep pathogens at bay, but at the same time, I feel there is need to mop out the excessive load of microbe attacking on our vital organs. I know if I go slow that route, my heart can give up anytime. I am detoxing and would like to know what you did for detoxing. I am taking charcoals, Ayurvedic panchkarama, which in one sitting include deep massage, followed by herbal sauna and Ayurvedic form of enema. I know the difference when I forget to take charcoal for 2 days in a row. Once my microbial load is low, I am planning to add the collagen support. Right now, I am already on too many pills, Milk thistle, ashwagandha, multi, zinc, magnesium 3 forms, phosphatidyl choline, probiotic, SB, and samento, banderol and many others. I am way better than what I was one year before, but still sick because all those microbes eating up my nutrients. I have taken a break from gut supplements, which i took for 6 months.

I am glad I found this group and quite hopefull i will be led to normal well being from here.

PeteZa said...
I, on the other hand, did one herb at a time and moved up rather quickly, with no herxing. BUT - and this is huge - I have detoxed for years before I ever got lyme. All my systems were in top shape pre-lyme. I also had no stress in my life, like a job, kids, money problems, etc. And we eat organic pretty close to all the time.

So, for me and hubby to do Buhner's it was quick, in lyme time.

However, both hubby and I started with Beyond Balance, which is a combo herbal. And, even though we detox like crazy on a daily basis, we did Beyond Balance Tox Ease GL. We did both of these herbal combos along with Buhner's protocol.

So I really think both ways are great!

What we found was that we both required individual dosages and types of herbs. He needed some herbs that I did not need and vice versa.

inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Girlie

What is the average time frame, we need to take herbs to bring disease in remission. I am also taking antibiotics, which I will discontinue once i am on full dose of herbal protocol.




Girlie said...
Hi inom - welcome to our community!

People will often start with Buhner's core protocol for lyme...and then after several months on it, slowly add in some herbs for the coinfections.

Many of Buhner's herbs do have antibacterial properties: Japanese knotweed, houttuynia, Istatis,alchornea cordifolia, sida acuta, cryptolepis, etc. (This isn't a complete list)

yes, taking herbs together is better - as they work synergistically.


So, good to start with one...low dose...titrate up for a few weeks...then add in the second one...again low dose.

I have used both Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs...both on Stephen Buhner's recommended sources for herbs.

We do recommend all new members look through/read the information in the "New to Lyme?..Start Here!" thread
Lots of useful information there.

Girlie
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   Posted 7/10/2017 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
inom said...
Thank you Girlie

What is the average time frame, we need to take herbs to bring disease in remission. I am also taking antibiotics, which I will discontinue once i am on full dose of herbal protocol.




Girlie said...
Hi inom - welcome to our community!

People will often start with Buhner's core protocol for lyme...and then after several months on it, slowly add in some herbs for the coinfections.

Many of Buhner's herbs do have antibacterial properties: Japanese knotweed, houttuynia, Istatis,alchornea cordifolia, sida acuta, cryptolepis, etc. (This isn't a complete list)

yes, taking herbs together is better - as they work synergistically.


So, good to start with one...low dose...titrate up for a few weeks...then add in the second one...again low dose.

I have used both Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs...both on Stephen Buhner's recommended sources for herbs.

We do recommend all new members look through/read the information in the "New to Lyme?..Start Here!" thread
Lots of useful information there.


There isn't really an average time. But with chronic Lyme - you can expect it to take a year or longer - whether it's herbals or antibiotics.
Some people it takes several years.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

1000Daisies
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   Posted 7/10/2017 2:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Hi inom - welcome to our community!

People will often start with Buhner's core protocol for lyme...and then after several months on it, slowly add in some herbs for the coinfections.

Many of Buhner's herbs do have antibacterial properties: Japanese knotweed, houttuynia, Istatis,alchornea cordifolia, sida acuta, cryptolepis, etc. (This isn't a complete list)

yes, taking herbs together is better - as they work synergistically.


So, good to start with one...low dose...titrate up for a few weeks...then add in the second one...again low dose.

I have used both Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs...both on Stephen Buhner's recommended sources for herbs.

We do recommend all new members look through/read the information in the "New to Lyme?..Start Here!" thread
Lots of useful information there.


I would offer a different opinion that I've read... to go after whatever is causing you the most major issues.

I think we (community/medical/etc) focus far too much on addressing lyme, and by doing so, we are often missing some serious coinfections that actually may be more troublesome than lyme itself.

I believe that lyme is the least of our issues (our= meaning, my family), and the coinfections are more of an issue for us. We started with herbals for lyme, and I deeply regret that. We should have, in my opinion, started with the coinfections that we suspected instead.

So, there is some good discussion on where to start. Most start with lyme treatment because that has more attention and focus, but I don't necessarily feel that is always the best starting place.

Like I said previously, one of the presenters in the Summit 2 said he treats for bartonella and babesia first.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, still very bad
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 7/10/2017 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
inom, the sad part about "killing herbs" is that there is no proof that they do in fact kill.

These bacteria are microbes and our body is full of microbes. Most of them are being managed by our immune system and we don't have symptoms.

When we get weaken those bacteria and viruses come out and play.

I am healed from lyme. What that really means is that I helped my body learn how to keep lyme from giving me symptoms. If I had a lyme test today, I bet it would be positive. For this reason I will never give blood or donate my organs to anyone.

But, you are adamant about "killing herbs." The best for Lyme is andrographis, cryptolepis for babs and houttuynia for bart.

My opinion, is that those will not work without the body being able to detox the killed bugs and all the other toxins. So detoxing is important. Killing doesn't do good if the organ is struggling, so a healthy gut is important. Lyme eats collagen, so you need to replenish that and on and on.

It is a full time job, this getting lyme under control. It takes a lot a patience, which I was horrible at having. I wanted to go so fast and be well! So I do truly understand.


Peteza - so to be clear, you started with a combo herbal (Beyond Balance) and then added in Buhner individual herbs?
That's different from starting with individual herbs to begin with though.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 7/10/2017 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
inom said...
Thanks 1000Daisies for detailed input.

Combination is a good idea. However, to start with, i thought I would try individually to observe any adverse reaction and later I will shift. also, I have read somewhere, their combo are less potent than individual extracts. What is your opinion? Are you taking other supportive herblike Milk thistle, I am already taking tons of other supplements that has made my lyme body and brain more like a functional human. If i have to pick atleast one killing herb for all three B's what would you recommend?

I have added in cart:
Sida acuta, hottunia, JK, so far.

Also, I am planning to order from sage women because their prices are significant less than woodland when order adds up. Do you have any experience with them?

I see you are treating your kids and have come long way, How you all are doing?

Thanks.


No, we do not do milk thistle at this time.
In all honesty, we went through the "more supplements than we could count" phase, and we found it to generally not be helpful in any manner that we could see. We now only do very minimal supplements - with very specific reasons. Admittedly, we suffered from "pill fatigue", and we have cut most of our prior supplements out at this point. This is part of the reason we do tinctures now.

No, I have not ordered from Sage, but I have heard good things about them from multiple sources. If you are happy with them, go for it! I just found Woodland Essence to easily meet my needs. Thankfully, there are more than one good herbal companies to choose from!

As you can tell, there are many different approaches to treating herbally. You just need to find what you are comfortable with and what works for you.
I think it can be very overwhelming for some people - me included - when first reading Buhner's books and not having a good idea on where to start. When I first read Buhner's first edition book many years ago (very small book compared to his later edition), I shut down because I just couldn't figure out how to process it all. So, that is one reason a combination herbal can help people who were like me previously.
Now that I've done single herbs for quite some time now, I feel much more confident doing the combination ones.
(We started years ago with a combination herbal from a medicinal practitioner, and it only helped temporarily and/or had no effects on us at the time.)

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   Posted 7/10/2017 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
As for duration, Kid#1 took several years of treatment. He is an extreme case unfortunately. We had many treatment failures with him. However, persistence pays off... as he is generally doing well now.

As for Kid#2, he seriously regressed - despite being on antibiotic treatment for years prior. At this point, I got very disappointed with antibiotics. He should not have gone from a fully functioning child who was proactively treated for years with antibiotics... to a kid who is too sick to go to school. Something is seriously wrong with antibiotic treatment FOR HIM for this to happen. (PLEASE note that I am saying specific to treatment for HIM. It clearly didn't work for him.)

For Kid#3, he was primarily treated with single antibiotic and hbot. He recovered in just months and was doing amazingly well. He has minor relapses off/on, so I am treating him herbally too.

So, as you can see, duration greatly varies within my family too, as well as symptom severity.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, still very bad
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

inom
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   Posted 7/10/2017 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisy!

Thank you for your opinion. i agree with you on that. I know for me Bartonella, is my main problem, I went with DNA CONNEXIONS test for the same reason, and my result came back with 7 total infections. that is why I want to cover a protocol that primarily covers bart and can overlap with others, So I chose Sida and JK, We will see how it goes.
i am already on antibiotics, so milk thistle was important esp for rifampin. Before getting diagnosed for lyme, my Dr and me found out I had multiple deficiencies esp Zinc, iodine, moly, So i started taking them, a while ago. they helped a ton, but once now i know who is taking away all these nutrients, in couple of months, I am anticipating i will wean off all these. I also had a bad case of H pylori, so got rid of it and supported the gut, i am off all those supplements now.
My long run motto is to take tinctures and do detox, i hope I am on right track.

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   Posted 7/10/2017 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, after firing my 1st LLMD, I went to the second one and said "I'd like to do an herbal protocol for lyme." He put me on Beyond Balance MC-BB-1 and Tox Ease GL. They were easy peasy but I thought things were going way to slow for me. So I bought all the Buhner books and dove in and added Buhner's core protocol. Then at the end when I was almost totally healed, I did Cryptolepis and Houttuynia in case I had Babs or Bart. I did them for a couple of months and then quit all the herbs.

Hubby never did Crypto or Houtt!! Go figure, the stinker.

inom - here is a thread where I talk about what I was doing for detoxing. www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

I also took a lot of pills, probably about 20, 2 times a day. And I did tinctures 3 times a day. I had so many pills that they would not fit in my pill minder container. I had to use 2 containers.

I am so sick of taking pills, that now, being well, I struggle to take a multiple. I'd much rather eat my way to health, but I know lots of nutrients are missing from our food now days.
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   Posted 7/11/2017 6:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Who hasn't gone through the phase taking dozens (if not a hundred) pills in a day?!!smile smile

I gave up herbs in pills after a while, and preferred to use decoctions or take the herbs in powder mixed in water. Like that, I had the impression I took less pills!!!

Detox was number 1 in my case too. Like PeteZa.
The rest, a lot of supportive treatments.
And very bits of antimicrobials. That combination was what helped me out of lyme.

Daughter was just 2 when she started lyme treatment. She also followed the same proportions (mostly detox, second supportive treatments, antimicrobials in very small amounts).

High amount of antimicrobials was not taking us out of lyme faster. It just did not work like that!! At all!

In fact, increasing antimicrobials delayed our healing, because it overcharged the body with toxins.

Toxins lower the immune system, digestion, it increases fatigue etc. In other words, it delayed our healing process.

Only when we changed to increase all the rest and diminish antimicrobials to its minimum, we improved faster (with ups and downs, but the general curve was ascending) .

So most of our 'pills' were in fact plants or natural stuff (chlorella, bear garlic, milk thistle, flaxseed oil, enzymes from veggie / fruit fermentation, propolis, Buhner's herbs, Chinese herbs, Cowden tinctures etc).

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   Posted 7/11/2017 9:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Peteza and jinna for sharing your wonderful stories and experiences. I have been a herbal all natural person all my life, cooking everything from scratch, with 5 days/a week work out, so changing life style is not an option. Also, before getting diagnosed with lyme, (which I figured out myself after countless Doctors, money and time wastage), I have been on all herbal support immune, detox and what not, I have may be 200 herbal bottles in my cabinet, they have brought me to the place, where i am functional most of the day at home, but I really needed to add this anti microbial, which now I know i will be adding slowly.

Thanks again for your insight. I will be probably chime in If I have a question.
Good luck on your journey to good health.
Love......

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   Posted 7/11/2017 10:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I really agree with Jinna. I super supported my body with getting my immune system healthy and robust so it could do its job.

That is why there are probably many people out there with lyme and they do not have symptoms. Their immune system is keeping it in check.

I have said this over and over and I will say it once more. I really got to know my body because of lyme disease. I KNOW I still have lyme in me and probably will the rest of my life, even though I am "healed." Or call it remission, I have no idea. I have to be super good and not tip the scales on my immune system or lyme will rise in me again.

I helped my body learn how to control lyme. To me, this is the way I got well. And it was a long, slow process. Getting lyme under control is an unrelenting journey. It is not easy. There are points where you feel you will never get well. Then one day, a symptom is gone. The next week another is gone.

If you stay the long steady course of detoxing, eating well, no stress, and treatment, it will come for you also. Slow and steady wins the race.
____________

Good Article

inom
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   Posted 7/11/2017 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Peteza! I just saw your detox protocol. i am pretty much doing same. And being from India originally, ginger, garlic, turmeric and lemon are part of our 3 meals, infact ginger is almost in every recipe, tea, soups, lentils, curries. I think that may be the reason, on abx, i dint feel much.

Last year, i took quercitin and other antioxidants, but i don't take them anymore. I am going to add Sarsaprilla, as detox when i start my herbal protocol in a week, Burber pinella dint help me, I think better than that my cardamom ginger tea was working. I feel I am all set and ready to go ahead.

Thank you for all your help.

PeteZa said...
I really agree with Jinna. I super supported my body with getting my immune system healthy and robust so it could do its job.

That is why there are probably many people out there with lyme and they do not have symptoms. Their immune system is keeping it in check.

I have said this over and over and I will say it once more. I really got to know my body because of lyme disease. I KNOW I still have lyme in me and probably will the rest of my life, even though I am "healed." Or call it remission, I have no idea. I have to be super good and not tip the scales on my immune system or lyme will rise in me again.

I helped my body learn how to control lyme. To me, this is the way I got well. And it was a long, slow process. Getting lyme under control is an unrelenting journey. It is not easy. There are points where you feel you will never get well. Then one day, a symptom is gone. The next week another is gone.

If you stay the long steady course of detoxing, eating well, no stress, and treatment, it will come for you also. Slow and steady wins the race.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey this a fairly old Post and I'm new here so not sure if I will get a response which is ok. Could anyone post the burner updated bartonella protocol with supplements, dosage, and amount of days? I also saw on his old bartonella protocol on his website that his supplements were to be taken for 30 days which seemed funny to me.

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   Posted 3/30/2018 9:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi KYLEb23,
welcome to our forum.

Make sure to start with only one herb at a low dose...then slowly build up the dose for a few weeks...then add another herb

It takes time , but it is important to know how you react to each herb, that way if you are allergic or cant tolerate one you will be able to isolate that herb and know which one caused it.

Always check for contradictions and side effects, I am not a medical expert.

From Stephen Buhner's "Healing Lyme Disease Co infections"

Japanese knot weed(polygonum) Tincture, 1/4-1/2 teaspoon 3X daily
EGCG with Quercetin 800 mg EGCG plus 1,200 mg quercetin daily.
L-arginine 500-1000 mg 3X daily
Cordyceps tincture, 1/4 tsp 3X daily
Sida acuta 30 -60 drops tincture 3-4X daily
Red root tincture 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon 3X daily
Milk thislte seed Stanardized extract, capsules 1200 mg daily
Hawthorn tincture 1/4- 1/2 teaspoon 3X daily
Rhodiola/ashwagandha combination, equal parts of each tincture:1/2 teaspoon 3X daily
Isatis/Houttuynia/alchornea combination, equal parts of each:tincture,1/2 teaspoon 3 X daily
Pomegranate juice throughout tha day
Vitamin E 200IU or 150 mg daily

I highly recommend ordering his healing Lyme co infections book for Bartonella. He explains Bartonella in detail and how each of his recommendations help to fight it.

Buhner also list many other recommendations for additional Bartonella symptoms so you can specifically target those symptoms.

Woodland Essence and/or Sage woman herbals are good sources for tinctures.

Bartonella is a tough co infection. No fun at all.

I wish you the best of Healing, Take care, Jo

Post Edited (goshawk) : 3/30/2018 8:44:05 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/30/2018 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Okay, thank for taking the time to respond I appreciate it so much! Im assuming it takes longer than 30 days?
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