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Tick41
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   Posted 7/20/2017 10:07 AM (GMT -6)   
My holistic doc is adding in Lyme Nosode drops from Professional Formulas 5x 3x per day. Anybody have experience with these drops?

From what I've read online people have done fairly well with them.

PeteZa
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   Posted 7/20/2017 10:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I have not tried them, but others will hopefully chime in.
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Good Article

Jinna
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   Posted 7/20/2017 11:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you sure this is not going to be too strong?

I read the contents, but they mix all sorts of pathogens inside, plus smashed tick juice (that can have still more pathogens). Of course, these are homeopathics, but I suspect that that sounds a bit overwhelming for a body to take?

Are you herxing on the formula?

I see the potency goes only until 60X, which is not low, but still low to fully eliminate infection in my opinion.

I used dr. W's protocol with Bb nosodes going way after 60X dilutions, then added C dilutions that are even stronger. In the end we closed with extreme high dilutions, plus Borrelia antigen nosodes, and other strains of Bb too...

His protocol aimed basically Bb, that is why he did so thoroughly.

If the quality of the homeopathic imprint is good, you may herx considerably, I suspect. But those dilutions work only for the acute phases of disease (or when symptoms are rather raging, not for low grade chronic symptoms).

I've been using homeopathy for about 30 years, the last 15 years intensively. That's my feeling after reading the ingredients.

Dr. K used to say American homeopathic products are way inferior to German ones. I only used European products as I live in Europe, so I can't compare...

It can't be dangerous except for herxes, as usual...

Let us know how it goes. If you'd like, I can explain you how to make 10 bottles out of that single bottle, so that you can take the product for much longer or keep it for the future.

it looks a good product in case of an acute bite, in my opinion.

Tick41
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   Posted 7/20/2017 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I am actually taking less than is recommended on the actual bottle which is strange. But I'm a little confused on how Nosodes work. could you explain Jinna?
Lyme symptoms since 2013. Positive IGM bands 23/41 through LLMD August 2016. Myco positive,EBV and other viruses as well.
Currently taking Bicillin LA injection 2x a week, serrapaptese, vsl3 probiotic, lexapro 5mg
b12, vitamin D

Compound Heterozygous MTHFR diagnosed July 2017

Detoxing: Lemon water, Dry Skin brush/Epsom foot soaks daily,YOGI DETOX TEA!

Girlie
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   Posted 7/20/2017 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   
It is homeopathy.


"like treating like"



you're getting minute substances of whatever you are treating - to stimulate the immune system.

(That's an over-simplified explanation)


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Post Edited (Girlie) : 7/20/2017 11:46:04 AM (GMT-6)


Denver1
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   Posted 7/20/2017 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I attempted homeopathic nosode sprays this past spring. I only got up to 2/3rds the starting dose and had a significant herx. It felt like I had been used as a punching bag. I have no idea how to compare the ingredients of my sprays with yours because I'm not even sure how they work, but I thought I'd let you know that they can cause a herx. I abandoned them when my practitioner would not communicate with me about what to do with my protocol. I don't think he was deliberately trying to ignore me, but I think he's overwhelmed by so many people trying to get healed from one chronic condition to another that conventional medicine practitioners DO intentionally ignore.

Will be interested in your response to the nosodes! Best of luck!
Denver1
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Jinna
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Denver, could you tell us exactly what product were you on?
When you guys say 'nosodes', it's a bit like saying you were on antibiotics without telling exactly which, in which combinations...

Or a bit like saying 'herbs' without saying which herb... I get a bit lost on how to comment your experiences.

But surely nosodes can cause herxes, because it simply activates your immune system to look after that exact pathogen.

I'm someone that believes homeopathic nosodes work at least 10 times better than any drug I ever took. Better because I can play with dilutions and then treat different phases of infection.
Not like drugs that treat only one phase, then after you feel like there's something missing to complete the cure...

Better because it has no side effects (except for herxes, that is a consequence of killing off, not real side effects).

Punching bag? Yep, I understand what you mean. Sometimes it can be too strong indeed.

Only when you actually have that experience with homeopathy or nosodes that you start 'believing'.
Nothing better than experience to 'explain' what is homeopathy!smile

Only when all my daughter's lyme symptoms (like a double knee) got smaller and totally painless in 5 days after starting nosodes that I believed, in fact!!

5 days before that, the head medical doctor of the local hospital who wanted to give my daughter IV rocephin told me that if she did not get those iv abx, my daughter could lose her knee forever because her condition was serious.

5 days later, she went back to Kindergarten! Totally pain free.

I mean, I could not deny the efficiency!

Jinna
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:20 PM (GMT -6)   
How does a nosode work?

The idea of homeopathy is simple: two similar diseases cannot co-exist in the body.

Ex: you get a cold that starts in the nose, you sneeze, etc
In the same room where you study or work daily, there's another cold around too, the one that starts in the gut, cause you discomfort or vomiting, then diarrhea, fever, for example.

You WON'T get these 2 colds at the same time. That is just known by observation.
Two colds at the same time: that does not happen.

When one cold goes down, the other may come in. Or not.
But not SIMULTANEOUSLY.

So, if you sneeze, your nose drips like water, you take something that cause that: onions, but diluted.
When your body feels 'onions', it thinks OMG, I need to stop the other disease (dripping nose from colds), and that is why your nose stops dripping when you take homeopathic onion (called Allium cepa).

The same goes for snake venom. That is maybe paralyzing you, so if you receive the same homeoapthic venom, the real venom may stop to paralyze you.

the Greeks already knew about that, then it was forgotten.
Hahnemman took it later, and created homeopathy that has been used for the last 200 + years in Europe.

It came to the US in the beginning of the century. You guys had a very good amount of homeopaths. Until the AMA came to say, they were quack, and their articles banned from publications, they were banned from medical societies , totally jeopardized. Homeopathy died in the US in the 40s, if my memory is good.

Only very recently, it is taking again, but you guys lost all the knowledge and experience for decades.

So homeopathy is much more advanced in countries like Brazil, India, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. There was un-interrupted history, that is why.

Like knowledge about lyme treatment, it takes many years to master. Decades. Homeopathy is huge, even BIGGER than all healing plants together. So you can imagine the potential, the amount of knowledge, research, documentation that exists. HUGE.

Nosodes are not common sense in homeopathy. Some homeopaths do not believe on them (not because they do not work, but because in their view, treating infections is not treating the cause of disease).
This is what classical homeopathy believes.

I was of the same opinion before I got lyme. As I never stopped classic homeopathy, I obviously tried treating lyme with it. To no avail. As I was declining fast, my classic homeopath did prescribe me a nosode, but the potency was too high. It helped, but did not solve lyme, of course.

The logic is similar cures similar because 2 similar diseases cannot coexist. So one cancels the other.

In case of nosodes, the logic goes: same cures same.

The hardest part are dilutions. I'm not an homeopath, but have been using literally thousands of products in the last decades, so I got some practice with it.

Most of what homeopathy does is done by practice: dilutions too. Homeopaths record everything, all symptoms, character of the person, humor, tone of color of skin, nail shape, how the tongue looks, etc etc.

Through that extensive database, they can take conclusions about products that work, about dilutions that are better for which condition etc.

You can spend your lifetime studying it, and you'll only be mastering one little part of homeopathy.

It's though a passionate subject, extremely friendly with children, old people, or very sensitive patients. That is why I love it. My body loves homeopathy, and I owe it the GREATEST part of my healing of lyme.

More than herbs combined (except for chlorella, that had been my best friend during lyme).

If you herx, back up, take more binders. I hope you'll get positive experiences, but I think in my case this product would have been too strong...

Denver1
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Jinna -

I wish I could tell you which product it was, but unfortunately I don't have the product anymore. I don't even remember the company name, and there were no ingredients on the list. I just know it was from an integrative practitioner who practices Chinese medicine and bioenergetic testing. He was actually trained in Europe, so it could be a European product for all I know.

If I ever come across the product among other Lymies in my area, I'll be sure to post where it's from.

Denver1
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FlourishingLight
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   Posted 5/13/2018 11:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Jinna said...



If you herx, back up, take more binders. I hope you'll get positive experiences, but I think in my case this product would have been too strong...


Hello, I'm new to this forum, so am hoping that this thread is still open to discuss. What is a binder? I do not know much about homeopathy, except that I have used it successfully in the past, and that at other times, I had sensitivities to certain remedies.

On that note, I found that making my own nosodes....I think then they are called, "autonosodes", worked out better. BUT, I never used them for a chronic problem. I am not sure if I have Lyme, but do have an issue with Bartonella. I thinking I can make a nosode from my own body fluids. I just do not know which dosage. I hear that it is good to mix up the dosages. Where does one start with a chronic problem? Isn't 30X better for acute problems? Mine is not acute, but chronic, so what dosage, then? How many times a day?

Doing research on the web, it seems that the best way to get answers is to ask those who have had experiences with the nosodes, themselves.

I've never heard of "binders". What are they? How do they help with herx reactions? Thank you!

Post Edited (FlourishingLight) : 5/13/2018 10:46:15 AM (GMT-6)


countingstarsx
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   Posted 5/13/2018 9:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Flourishing!

This is an old thread and Jinna hasnt been around in a while.

Ive been treating with homeopathy for 2 months and studying it as well. I highly suggest that if you want to try the homeopathic rough you find someone who is a trained homeopath (not a naturopath) to treat you. There is so much that goes into practicing homeopathy, finding a real cure as a lay person would be very very difficult if not impossible. That said, I have had my own mini miracles in homeopathic treatment.
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