Bee venom therapy- where to apply?

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gabybee
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

I recently started bee venom therapy and it has been helping me immensely- I feel like I could finally cure the Lyme. I have been seeing an Apitherapist who stings me with bees. Each time he does it on my head and I was wondering if this is correct or if I should ask him to do it on other parts of my body (I have a lot of Lyme related GI issues)

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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:11 PM (GMT -6)   
gabybee - this is wonderful - that you're having an improvement already.


I thought blulelyme (our resident expert on bvt) said the usual place was to sting on the back - either side of the spine.

I'm sure he will be on later to post.
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caramba
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   Posted 7/20/2017 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
interesting! I was reading up on bee therapy today, and it looks like some sting on meridians (acupuncture)!

if that is how it works, then location would be important and would vary person to person depending on what you are trying to fix. Bluelyme?

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   Posted 7/20/2017 3:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Bumping for bluelyme
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   Posted 7/20/2017 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
So happy for you!!! Wishing you continued success in healing.

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   Posted 7/20/2017 4:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Glad to hear of another whom its helping (maybe you can post your experience on the bvt thread . The spine is a good place to start but if you are at full dose then by all means migrate around. I hit all my joints regularly and my diaphram ,sternum ,liver and kidneys.the accupunture points for those systems are double powerful. Maybe look at a chart and boost large intestine meridian .however

in my experience bvt is great for borrelia and babs but bart needs a little more help. Gi stuff for me was a protozoa and ascaris and bart and got better when i treated that . Brendas formula from realfood rebel is a good place to start if you want to treat empirically . And hh2(houttynia)and allicin will give added boost to getting bart . Also loads of propolis .like dropperfuls .
and of course anti candida diet ,nystatin and 1000billion probiotic all may be necessary. I will bump bvt thread for you if you would share your experience .nothing clears brain fog like a full sting on the crown chakra ...

gabybee
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   Posted 12/13/2017 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
does anyone know if, and how long, you are supposed to leave the stinger in? I have been taking the stinger out immediately after I am stung, but I read somewhere that perhaps you have to keep it in for 20 minutes?? is this true ?
22 years old, symptoms started in 2013 and was diagnosed in 2015
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Treating with multiple vitamins + Supplements, Byron white formulas, and bee venom therapy.

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   Posted 12/13/2017 11:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Bumping for bluelyme because I have no answer for this -- anyone else???

bluelyme
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   Posted 12/14/2017 2:43 AM (GMT -6)   
the consensus of the apitherapy society feels that most of the venom is out within 3-5 min. ellie lobel uses california bees and leaves for 15 20 ..i think this is good for types of honeybees who's venom may not be as "hot" ..for instance comparatively ..our mountain Russians i could on stand 12 full and 15 sets where as with the carniolians i once did 22 full stings . the heat i feel depends on species , diet , environment and time of year. the only trouble with lobel style is that once the swelling sets in digging the tip of the stinger can be a little bit of a pain. dose imo unlike ellie minions - is dependent on size of patient , length of illness(and seriousness) , coinfections , tolerance ,whether supportive accupucture points are used and a great many other factors (iceing or not ).

to address the gut thing from way back additional herbs and antiparsiticals were needed to help my gut but propolis and rife was used

keep us posted gabybee on your progress ..are you self stinging now? and i got a gut guy if you need

caramba
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   Posted 5/2/2018 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
in this video she keeps them in for 20 minutes

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeGucVwvh6Y

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   Posted 5/3/2018 4:53 AM (GMT -6)   
i have compared californian carniolians vs mountain russian/spanish mutts and ya leave yours in as long as possible .they are so pleasant by comparison . generally when ordering bees and self admin as few bees is good practice ...for extreme cases and to speed thing up we use 20-38 bees on average ...much higher than the lobel style...some in mexico clinic have used 70 bees a day in a month stay ...but if there bees are like their beef or beer, id do that many too
conversely a tap (10mcg) will last for days on some clients ....read your body know your detox and individualize , like herbs or abx this protocol is in its infancy and is not pragmatic one size fits all as some may push for in a effort to disseminate , they may be overzealous which can be reckless and resentment for one practitioners aprehensions does not constitute negligence nor warrant condemnation by a more sophisticated means of administering than just on the spine like this like that ...some days i sat for 45 min on accu points ...other i took out after a 20 sec count ...depended on my constitution that day and we know how it varies day to day ...sorry for the drama rant thread heist i dont fb.. gaby post on bvt thread
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