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Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/10/2017 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I started a gut rehabilitation program recently which contained natural antimicrobials and biofilm busters. (mainly for candida) After a few days I started getting severe cramping and other herx symptoms. The cramping was so bad that I fainted.

My doc told me to stop my meds for a few days as he thought the yeast was getting stirred up too much. I've been off the meds for a few days but the cramping and GI pain is just as bad. I notice that it gets really bad after eating food. I follow a very strict diet. other symptoms include, runny nose, feverish feeling but the GI pain is debilitating. I'm also so constipated that I need to do enemas to move my bowels

Does anyone know whats happening? I'm in so much pain and I'm having trouble eating and having bowel movements.

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   Posted 8/10/2017 7:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sean.scot256 -

I'm so sorry about your pain! Not fun. I KNOW what you're experiencing. Years before I knew I had Lyme & Co I was on liquid foods for over a year.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that whatever you're hitting with the antimicrobials and biofilm busting, and CERTAINLY yeast/fungus/biofilm die off can cause all sorts of chaos in the GI. Pain associated with digesting food is at the top of that list of symptoms - even if it's healthy food.

The pathogens can cause mechanical digestion problems for multiple reasons and this can reduce the digestive acids and enzymes needed to break down food and digest it. Passing food through the digestive tract is actually a complex and demanding process, evidenced by the constipation. And damage to the GI can result in rawness and soreness.

The runny nose is probably a result of breaking up biofilm in your GI and possibly the result of severing the connectedness of bilfilms that grow from the GI up through your throat and into your head and mouth---often I have also had changes in the skin on my face, my eyes, ears... everywhere the biofilm, yeast and fungus can grow will be affected when you start killing it or reducing it in volume.

In fact, I went on a biofilm-busting extravaganza at the end of 2016 and moved too quickly and became VERY, very sick with bronchitis, sinusitis, and a huge viral surge. I was bed-ridden for about a wk. I stopped taking everything - like you are. Recoverd for 3 wks or so. Tried taking the biofilm buster again, crashed HARD again. Recovered for about a month. Tried taking the antibiofilm again at really, really low doses. Crashed again but a little less.... continued this cycle for 4-5 months and finally made major progress and I got up to high doses of two biofilm busters without any herxing at all.

So, that might be an approach that would also work for you. While you recover, I would stick to a liquid diet so that your GI doesn't have to work so hard to digest food. Try sticking only with organic whole-foods soups and/or a bone broth base with small amounts of veggies in it. Some pureed foods and/or baby foods might also work. Just go very easy on the gut and let it heal.

When you recover a bit more, you might try increasing GI acids with HCL betaine - starting with VERY SMALL doses with each meal. If you immediately have acid reactions then it's probably not a low-acid problem but most people w/ GI problems suffer from low acid (even if they have acid reflux-type sx although if the HCL immediately gives you acid reflux you'll know immediately that your normal acid production is probably OK) so it's worth a try.

Here's another thing you need to talk w/ your LLMD about:

When you start busting biofilms you don't really know what you're releasing once you kill the film it's hiding in, but likely, if you're treating Lyme & co than you're likely releasing Lyme & Co microbes that have taken refuge in the biofilm----and Lord knows what else!

So, it's pretty important that you get back on the antimicrobials ASAP. It's possible that the pain could also be the infection getting stirred up - having a big ol' party in yer belly.

But I would stay off the antibiofilm until you recover a bit and then try them again at a much, much lower dose.

ALSO VERY IMPORTANT when you're busting biofilms is a binder. This can get tricky with constipation - if you're not moving fecal matter out of your body, the toxins are also getting stuck so BM is critical as well.

At the very least you need to talk w/ your LLMD about a safe laxative ASAP.

You might also talk w/ your LLMD about prescribing PURE cholestyramine for you - which I think is the best binder out there. It's very expensive, insurance generally doesn't cover it because they want you to buy a cheap manufactured version with a ton of fillers and even sugar. It's not worth it - and then you might as well try the OTC binders. Ideally, you'd want to incorporate a very gentle and careful laxative AND a binder but you need to talk w/ your LLMD about it.

One huge mistake people make is they don't drink enough water with the binders. Some people still have constipation no mater how much water they drink with a binder. But the cholestyramine has made me more regular than anything else in my life - it's amazing. Others might not get that benefit.

Please let us know how you're doing - this is just a hiccup and probably a necessary evil to get the biofilms addressed - you'll be back in your groove soon.

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 8/10/2017 8:09:16 PM (GMT-6)


Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/10/2017 7:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow thank you so much for such a lengthy reply! I have many questions but I can't type very much because of my finger pain.

After stopping the antimicrobials and biofilm busters will things eventually settle down in my GI tract? I've only been off them for a for 2-3 days but its not getting better. I've never had GI symptoms like this so it's very scary. Thanks again.

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   Posted 8/10/2017 8:44 PM (GMT -7)   
There are so many things that can go wrong with the gut - leaky gut, inflammation, candida. etc. I have those issues. It's a long road to heal your gut. Make sure you're off wheat and sugar.

As for constipation, that can also cause problems. When I'm constipated, my sciatica acts up. For a quick way to move things along, you can take 1 tsp of FOOD GRADE epsom salts in water - add EmergenC or something like that to it for taste. It will move things along very well. Also make sure you're getting more water. I drink plenty of water and still get constipated. Senna also works pretty well. But pick one. Don't do both at the same time and don't rely on laxative to move your bowels.

Also, good to know...you can try probiotics, but if you see an increase in symptoms, it might mean you have SIBO.

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newuser22
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   Posted 8/10/2017 11:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Sean.scott256,

I feel what you are going through. I had this GI misery too. Leaky gut, and inflammation that after eating anything my small intestine would hurt, pained as the food moved through the tract. I could feel the food moving and the pain and irritation caused along with it. That pain is from the gut line is injured, irritated.
I got over this by taking a lot of natural Vit A, only from cod liver oil, ~100,000IU/day for two weeks and after 2 weeks followed by a lot of protein, individual amino acids, especially the AAs that help the gut lining, protein production, Glutamine, Proline etc. I also needed the standard set of vitamins, and minerals, Mg, K, Ca, Mn, Iodine etc. Mg will move your bowel. Assess your situation along this line.

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   Posted 8/10/2017 11:37 PM (GMT -7)   
i had to treat parasites and h pylori for my hcl to get back up ...abx just let them have a hayday...try supplementing like 650 hcl with meals and get some adequate testing ...not by a gi doc they are about as useful as a gerbil or neurologist

Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/11/2017 3:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the advice everyone. My doctor gave me some supplements to take today and I'm trying to only eat a liquid based diet. I had blended veggie soup for lunch and it didn't cause too much pain. But I just has a vegan protein shake with green veggie powder and I'm in so much pain. My intestines hurt so bad.

I'm afraid of losing more weight as I am underweight already. I'm not sure what to do if I can't eat anything, especially protein.

Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/11/2017 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Is there anything I can do to relieve this pain temporarily? I want to rip out my insides

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   Posted 8/11/2017 5:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Sean -
Do you have any binders in the house? That's the first thing I try when I have trouble.

You can also try flushing with copious amounts of warm water.

Aloe Vera juice (filited)might help but drink really small ants to try.

-p
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Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/11/2017 5:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Pirouette said...
Sean -
Do you have any binders in the house? That's the first thing I try when I have trouble.

You can also try flushing with copious amounts of warm water.

Aloe Vera juice (filited)might help but drink really small ants to try.

-p


I have activated charcoal but it hasn't helped the past few times I took it. I just got some aloe vera and took it before my shake.

The pain is so bad I might go to the ER. Worse than any lyme pain i've ever had. Not sure what to do besides not eating

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   Posted 8/11/2017 6:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Praying for you Sean

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   Posted 8/11/2017 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   
If the pain is THAT bad-you SHOULD go to urgent care or E.R. you could have a blockage!

My dad had an intestinal blockage.

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   Posted 8/11/2017 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Are you staying up on your detoxing?
You can try drinking alka-seltzer or 1 tbsp baking soda in water every 45-60 min until you feel better.

You could also try doing coffee enemas for your constipation. They are suppose to be really good at detoxing the liver/gut and getting things moving in the right direction. Let me know if u need instructions for the enema.

U can also try spreading your dose of anti-microbials out so it's not so much on your stomach at once.

Let us know what works for you. 👍

Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/12/2017 10:24 AM (GMT -7)   
I notice that my stomach hurts right after eating and then my small intestine after that. The pain passes about 3hr after eating but the pain is unbearable.

The only thing I can eat without much pin is blended veggie soup with lentils. Does anyone else with this problem have a recommendations of things to eat? I need more protein and calories but I can't handle anything.

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   Posted 8/12/2017 12:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Have you checked to see if you have enough digestive enzymes in your stomach? I don't, and take them every time I eat. hansacenter.com/simple-at-home-test-for-low-stomach-acid/


I have a lot of GI issues, slow motility, intestinal cramping, pain after eating (if I don't do all I need to before eating), (used to have) severe constipation, pseudo-blockages (slowing stopping), lowered digestive 'juices' in my stomach, and more. It's taken quite a bit to get things back on track, but I'm finally making real progress.

Do you possibly have a yeast issue? This can also create a lot of gut issues. I'm very careful to be sure that yeast is never another issue that I deal with by eating carefully and taking probiotics.

Have you considered meal replacement shakes? They may be easier for your GI to digest right now -just watch the ingredients, no sugar (because of candida), high quality ingredients are necessary too.
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Sean.scott256
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   Posted 8/13/2017 12:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Found out I have ulcers and the HCL acid was making it WAY worse. Trying to figure out how to heal them.

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   Posted 8/13/2017 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
ulcres is usually caused by a few things: h-pylori, too much ibuprofen, etc...
have u been tested for h-pylori ? treatment for that is with antibiotics too, but a different mix than what u usually take for lyme, also treatment involves PPIs which will lower your HCL acid levels while u are taking the abx. The most accurate tests are h-pylori stool tests (besides biopsy of the ulcer tissue ofc), you should take one...

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   Posted 8/13/2017 6:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Sean.scott256 said...
Found out I have ulcers and the HCL acid was making it WAY worse. Trying to figure out how to heal them.

phospholipids(PC, PS, PI, PE, PA), a protein that has all AAs, fatty acids.

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   Posted 8/14/2017 3:21 AM (GMT -7)   
When you are constipated, the large intestine is absorbing too much water. This often happens when sodium levels are low. I would increase my sodium and water intake. That gives you two of the things your body needs. If you were having a massive die off in your GI tract, the demand for water would increase dramatically which would cause the body to conserve more water. Your immune response is overwhelmed and increasing hydration will help.
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