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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/15/2017 4:00 PM (GMT -7)
Hi everyone, does anyone have any input on muscle testing? I saw a lady today who does muscle testing, she tested my antibiotics and malarone (which I'm taking for babesia) and she said they came up very weak and yet the cryptoplus and artemisin came up very strong for my body (meaning that's what my body wants). She also said that Epstein Barr virus came up and not Lyme or co-infections. I've been treating Lyme for a year and babesia for a few months, was diagnosed through ignex. I was also told I had a tooth infection at the dentist but this practitioner said I definitely did not test for any type of bacteria infection, so she cautioned me on pulling the tooth. I feel so very lost like I'm almost getting too much different information from different practioners and people. I really don't know who or what to believe any more!!! Any advice, input or comments are welcome (even if it confuses me moresmile). Thanks!
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ArtAngel
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Posted 8/15/2017 4:32 PM (GMT -7)
Many of us have the same experience. I have. That's the nature of lyme. Some of the answers elude us.
I have done muscle testing - sometimes they were right, other times they were wrong. I wouldnt do it again.
I have gotten the best results from Electrodermal Screening. Enough for me to have a good general idea of what is working in my body and what to do. It really does depend on the practitioner. I have gone to a different one everytime. The first was so expensive and I think he was using the machine just to promote his services. He had no intention of giving me real answers. The second practitioner was very good but it was too far to travel. The third one seemed good, but I didn't get the impression she was being very professional, she dismissed some of my concerns and gave me her opinion instead. When I would have preferred she used the machine as a reference not her own ideas. I am seeing a lady this Friday and she says she has a Russian machine that can match me to the right remedies. I have to see if that works. I live in Australia I understand EDS is better known there.
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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/16/2017 7:56 AM (GMT -7)
Thanks ArtAngel for your reply! I don't really know anything about EDS, I don't think there is a practitioner around my area that does it. I sent a message to my doctor about the results I got with the muscle testing and I'm really curious what he'll say! Wouldn't it be nice if there was just a straight acurate answer that we could know exactly what to do to get well, it's all such a trial and error it seems!
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Posted 8/16/2017 9:05 AM (GMT -7)
I always go with my gut feelings. If I think it is hocus pocus I don't go back. But, if I feel like what they are saying is true, I will give them a second try.

I have EDT testing, similar to EDS I think. You hold a wand in one had and the doc puts another wand on points on your hand or feet. Amazing tool!! My acupuncturist that does it is amazing. He knew I did not have a uterus. How the heck did he know that when I am fully dressed and he is poking my hand???

I was convinced right then. And he has not been wrong. I go to him for allergies and he has desensitized me to many of my allergens.

There are many practitioners out there that are not good fits for us. We just have to trust our gut instincts and pick the ones that work for us, not against us.
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magoo2
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Posted 8/16/2017 11:40 AM (GMT -7)
I do thing the EDS or EDT is better but have been amazed at some muscle testing.

I also echo others here- your gut is the best indicator. Over time it will tell you when you are on the right track and when you aren't.
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Nosila
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Posted 8/16/2017 1:00 PM (GMT -7)
I think muscle testing really depends on the practitioner. My first LLMD did it well and used it to choose my treatment (herbal vs abx) and dosage. Then he retired, and the new LLMD tried muscle testing but never really became proficient with it. Now I see a ND, who just does muscle testing, and I'm making much better progress with him. Three years ago, I wouldn't have been open to this type of practitioner, but at this point, I'm willing to do the crazy stuff if it works!
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Jinna
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Posted 8/16/2017 1:55 PM (GMT -7)
I agree. Muscle testing fully depends on practitioner and the school he or she is using to treat you.

I think it was the most important tool for my healing, because I found 2 practitioners that were good.

It felt like getting x-rayed, and they were only pushing my arms...

I learned it and since then, I use it extensively for the last 10 years +, and would not be healed from lyme if I hadn't found it.

I was in very bad condition, barely able to stand up, a total wreck.
I owe a lot to muscle tests. I used ART from dr. K, a very sophisticated school of kinesiology.
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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/16/2017 4:20 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks for your comments everyone! Seems like it's a common thread about the practionner, some good and some not so good! The lady I went to told me that babesia kept testing positive and this was 2 and a half years ago! I finally got diagnised with Lyme a year and a half ago and babesia a half year. So I think she is good at what she does, so feeling a little confused when neither Lyme nor babesia came up only Epstein Barr! I was told by a dentist that I have a tooth infection but she said that no bacteria infection came up (could be since I'm on antibiotics) so I'm a little puzzled and confused what to do! I put off getting my tooth pulled, I did have a strong gut feeling that I need to wait before doing that.
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Posted 8/17/2017 1:04 PM (GMT -7)
Your story really hits home with me. I don't have an official diagnosis yet but I've been seeing my ND for my symptoms and waiting to see an LLMD, thinking I most likely have Lyme and/or Bart. I've been bitten by so many ticks it's not funny. And same as with you my ND tested me for antibiotics and said they did no good for my symptoms, but instead found that my body really liked a malaria drug. As a result he was convinced I have a tick-bourne intracellular parasitic infection. And again like you, I have a tooth infection. Mine has come and gone for a year or more and I started taking an antibiotic for it (penicillin). I'm not sure if it is the new homeopathic my ND gave me or the abx, but I've started to see some improvement in some symptoms. It's got me really confused since my ND doesn't think it's anything bacterial.

I have a lot of trust in my ND as well. A few years ago I developed a cough that was eventually attributed to acid reflux, so they did an endoscopy and diagnosed me with some something called Barrett's esophagus. Mine was early stage, but it was one or two cellular mutations away from cancer. They told me to come back every 3 years for a follow up endoscopy and take Prilosec the rest of my life. Instead, I took a friends advice and went to see my ND for the 1st time. At my follow up endoscopy they told me the Barrett's was completely gone and I didn't need to schedule another follow up. NDs can do some pretty amazing things.

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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/17/2017 1:30 PM (GMT -7)
Wow! I'm so glad you had such good luck with your ND! So you were never recommended to have your tooth pulled? I'm curious what homeopathic remedies helped you. I had an app to have my tooth pulled and I had this gut feeling that I shouldn't do it since things might get worse! I just don't know anymore who to believe or what to do? I'm so sick and tired of these headaches and all my other symptoms!! I think I was almost better before I started treatment! I just feel so lost and scared!
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Posted 8/17/2017 3:01 PM (GMT -7)
That's a difficult situation.
But tooth infections can be extremely serious. I realize you have your doubts, but I highly recommend getting another opinion from another dentist - ideally, a holistic dentist if you can find one.
Tooth infections can be really serious, so I would proceed with caution on that. Pulling a tooth is an extreme measure, but some times, it's necessary.

I have done muscle testing (and something else somewhat similar). In those cases, it just sent us in circles for years with no real improvement.

I have confirmed things via testing that directly conflicted with the muscle testing/FCT. I had my serious doubts after giving it a fair trial (years) and with the labs not confirming their findings, I moved on.

I realize that muscle testing can be very valuable and helpful to people. I'm happy it helps/works for them. For us, I am not a believer at all any more and choose to not do it.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Very sick now despite being treated for years, still very bad
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.
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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/17/2017 10:19 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks 1000Daisies! Yes, I think I will get another opinion from another dentist, the one I saw was the only holistic dentist in my area but there is another about 2 hrs away that I might try to go see. The headaches I'm having are so strange and different from my normal this weird nervy pain that comes and goes in my forehead along with my usual vice headache in the back. The weird thing is my tooth doesn't hurt at all, I've had some pain episodes with it but for the most part it doesn't bother me so it's so hard to know what is the culprit! Anyway, I appreciate your input! Take care
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Jinna
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Posted 8/18/2017 3:00 AM (GMT -7)
Tony, is the painless tooth alive or dead?

If it died, you feel zero pain, as the nerves died. A fast test is to put ice or anything very cold ONLY on that tooth and see if you feel the cold.

You could put a small spoon on the freezer and ask someone to try to touch only one tooth briefly with that spoon, to see if you feel the cold (sometimes it's painful though).

Dentists will use dry ice to check if the tooth is alive or not.

As I said, once the tooth dies, it can harbor all sorts of infections and you feel NIL. You may only feel when great part of the bone under the tooth becomes too bad.

The bone pain is a dull pain, though, in my experience. It's never an acute pain, like teeth pain.

I pulled 7 teeth off, all dead, some with root canals, some I did not know were dead. ALL of these dead teeth were fully infected under. But X rays showed nothing. The dentist made me even sign a paper saying he was not responsible if he found nothing after pulling the teeth. I signed.

but you gotta see his face, every time he pulled my teeth off. He was disgusted and surprised to find all bones already consumed by bad infections....

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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/18/2017 3:26 AM (GMT -7)
Hi Jinna, so I can tap the tooth and it will hurt not really badly but enough to know which tooth it is. It's also flared up a few times but then goes away. It used to be very sensitive to chew on it, but not so much any more. I feel like I am slowly dying? and I don't know if it's partly due to my tooth! I'll start to feel a bit better and then I'll feel like a monster truck has hit me! I've been plagued with head and neck pain for a long time, I had an atlas adjustment 2 summers ago and he caused me to be in horrendous pain for 3 months but then things got better. These headaches I'm experiencing now are so intense and somewhat different, they travel all over my head in this weird strong nervy pain, I just don't know what to do! Do you think my tooth could have anything to do with it? Did you feel better after getting your pulled (sorry you had to have so many pulled). I feel beyond lost since I thought I was getting better but these past 5-6 weeks have been hell!
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Jinna
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Posted 8/18/2017 2:59 PM (GMT -7)
Hey Tony, if you could see a Dr. K's practitioenr, they could answer that question to you through energy tests.

They are very good at testing teeth.

I can just talk of own experience. Two teeth were testing bad during lyme, and my 2 ART practitioners kept saying, take them off, on and on. I pulled these 2 teeth, and they were infected, really badly. They were right, my dentists were wrong (I went to 5 dentists who said my 2 teeth were fine!!).

I had dull pain in one of them. The dull pain stopped the moment the anesthetic effect disappeared. For good! Until today, that dull pain I had for a decade or more (very light, but certainly there) disappeared.

I felt a relief, but I can't say I got healed from lyme due to that. I don't think it's a direct cause. I do think though that letting a bad infection grow in the mouth is not a good idea. The dentist showed me what was inside (he showed me in a spoon!!!), and THAT stuff inside my mouth was not a good idea.

it's like if you have an open infected wound on your skin for years, decades, what good can that do?

Headaches can have to do with teeth, with a wrong bite, with teeth infections, with toxins, infections of the brain, simply meridians in trouble etc...

An ART practitioner can look into all that, if he is good.

If the tooth stopped aching, it either healed, or died. Any dentist here can make a fast test to see if it's still alive in 1 second (ice test).

If it died, it probably died from infection, right? So there must be a mess there.

Years later after lyme, I started having heart problems, insomnia, high blood pressure etc. My lyme dr told me it was one tooth. I pulled it off, and that same night, I could sleep again. All heart crazy symptoms stopped for good after day 2 or 3 after the extraction. They never returned (about 3 years I have no more heart symptoms)!
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tonyaraven
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Posted 8/18/2017 9:51 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks Jinna! I wish I had a good ART practionner around here but I don't believe we do, I spoke with my llmd and he said that certain things didn't come up when this lady did the muscle testing (like Lyme, babesia and even the tooth infection) because I'm on antibiotics to treat the Lyme and babesia, so according to him that's why it didn't show up! He thinks I should get a second opinion on my tooth and then get it out of my mouth which is what I plan on doing, part of me wishes I just did it last week and was over it, it's just scary because I really have super intense reactions to any type of manipulation. I had my atlas adjusted 2 years ago and it sent me into almost a type of shock for a couple days and then severe pain in my head and neck for 3 months! When the lady did muscle testing the other day she also said my atlas is off again, the thought of ever letting someone adjust my atlas again makes me ill just to think about it!! So I'm really hoping it's my tooth causing these headaches and not my atlas!! Sorry I didn't mean to go on and on!! Thanks for your reply, I hope I have the same luck as you when I get it pulled!
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