Does somebody already had a herx reaction with cranberry powder?

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Healrom
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   Posted 9/13/2017 5:10 PM (GMT -7)   
All is in the question of the subject of the post.
I'm thinking that cranberry could have an action on Borrelia.

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   Posted 9/13/2017 7:11 PM (GMT -7)   
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
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The Warrior
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   Posted 9/14/2017 7:56 AM (GMT -7)   
How much sugar does it contain?
First symptoms in 2014.

Diagnosed in May 2017:
•Borrelia Burgdorferi
•Bartonella
•Babesia
(DNAConnexions PCR)

Other Conditions:
•MTHFR mutation

Started treatment in May 2017:
•Dr. Zhang's herbal protocol

Healrom
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   Posted 9/14/2017 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   

Healrom
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   Posted 9/16/2017 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Maybe the cranberry could have an action on the borrelia biofilms. But I don't know.

After taking it for like 2/3 weeks with artemisinin, nothing else, I have not seen spirochetes in my blood with the microscope. (and there would supposed to be a high number of it)

And it gives me big reactions. A friend tested it, but he has only mild reactions to it, by taking two capsules.
For me at even 1/4 of cap I have herxs.

mpost
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   Posted 9/16/2017 10:12 PM (GMT -7)   
please be advised symptoms can get worse or get better with or without you taking anything special. because the disease cycle is very long, it can take weeks in between flares. During those weeks, you may do and take all sorts of things: supplements, herbs, change diet, exercise. Inevitably your symptoms will change, then you will say it's because what you took the last week. In 90% of cases this is false...

improvements can be seen over months of treatment, not weeks...

Healrom
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   Posted 9/17/2017 10:00 AM (GMT -7)   
mpost said...
please be advised symptoms can get worse or get better with or without you taking anything special. because the disease cycle is very long, it can take weeks in between flares. During those weeks, you may do and take all sorts of things: supplements, herbs, change diet, exercise. Inevitably your symptoms will change, then you will say it's because what you took the last week. In 90% of cases this is false...

improvements can be seen over months of treatment, not weeks...


I'm talking about herxs here...

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   Posted 9/18/2017 6:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, just my opinion.

Cranberry is not very sweat, so probably not a problem with yeast.

It is though very antioxidant.
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/cranberries-year-round-superfood

If you ever took something called Megahydrate, a super antioxidant, you'll know that strong antioxidants may feel like herxes.

I do think there is an indirect link: you take potent antioxidants and your immune system may kick in, killing critters. Then you herx.

Antioxidants ALSO help cleaning the body: like Vit C in high amounts can help cleaning some heavy metals. The moment you clean those heavy metals, they go loose and you feel like a herx, a poisoning.

If not heavy metals, any other toxin: when they move, you may feel uneasy.

Note that cranberry has high Vit C and manganese, 2 substances known to help the body to detoxify (even heavy metals).

Manganese is in fact used in the KPU / HPU protocol as a supplement helping the body to detoxify.

Another hint on your reaction: anti inflammatory properties of cranberry.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=145

If it lowers inflammation, Bb and other pathogens are not happy. They lose food, and may die? (just a guess).

As cranberries are used against UTIs or for prevention, well they may have anti-microbial properties. If not DIRECTLY, indirectly. I know some women that swear by cranberries (against recurrent UTIs).

So why not having herxes from that too?

the more you pay attention to how your body reacts on supplements, minerals, antioxidants, chelators, you start to understand that there are INDIRECT, but potent, mechanisms of the body that lead to killing of microbes.

Cleansing and antioxidants are 2 potent ways to deal with chronic infection, in my opinion.
Much more than simple antimicrobials.

Maybe your cranberry powder is doing that?

Antimicrobials act better with acute infections, but I do feel chronic infections react better with something that helps the body overall, such as good nutrition, potent antioxidants, mineral supplementation, enzymes etc.

Post Edited (Jinna) : 9/18/2017 7:15:59 AM (GMT-6)


Healrom
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   Posted 9/20/2017 11:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for your message, it's very interesting!

For the chelators giving strong reactions, I know that. Before, I wasn't able to take alpha lipoïc acid. It gave me crazy reactions. I'm intoxicated with heavy metals.
And a physician made me bgin with another product, then alpha lipoic acid in low doses, and now I can take it.

For the cranberry, I don't think that I feel a heavy metal removal. Because I also see with my microscope, that I have almost no bacterai in my blood (But I should check again)

Maybe your hypothesis on an indirect action is true. We forget too often that the immune system is more powerfull than drugs.
Maybe one of the compounds inhibates one immun system lowering mecanism of the borrelia.

Also I have one friend that tried. But it dont give him herxs like me. He told me that he had herxs at 2 capsules. I'm still at 1/2, I can take 1 but it's too powerfull.

Maybe it would be interesting that other people tries? smile (but I know maybe I have something else and it's really working on me because of that. So maybe it will do almost nothing to other people.)

And by the way does your friend that take cranberry has Lyme?
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