May have found a way to disable and treat Lyme neurotoxin - Part 2

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Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/29/2017 1:59 PM (GMT -7)   
I am continuing to love this stack quite frankly

I have taken 4 or 5 anti depressants and this stack is more affective than all of them, with no noticable negative side effects.

I added large quantities of royal jelly to the mix.

so far so good, I am going to keep on keeping on with this stack.

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   Posted 10/29/2017 2:06 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...
I will provide my next update at the one month mark, unless significant improvement/break throughs are made prior to the one month mark.


thanks for these updates, they are really helpful in trying to evaluate the protocol, much appreciated.

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   Posted 10/29/2017 2:11 PM (GMT -7)   
my stack

egcg 1200 mg

HPZ 600 mcg

alpha gpc 600 mg

uridine 300 mg

dha 2 caps carlson's dha

dacarte3
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   Posted 10/29/2017 2:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
I am continuing to love this stack quite frankly

I have taken 4 or 5 anti depressants and this stack is more affective than all of them, with no noticable negative side effects.

I added large quantities of royal jelly to the mix.

so far so good, I am going to keep on keeping on with this stack.


Yes mood and anxiety was in my immediate very effective category.

It seems we accidentally stumbled upon an anti-depressant/anti-anxiety protocol as well.

Something lymies often deal with so that's good. Anything to help ease this disease for people.

Excellent work Lapis.

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   Posted 10/29/2017 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
my stack

egcg 1200 mg

HPZ 600 mcg

alpha gpc 600 mg

uridine 300 mg

dha 2 caps carlson's dha


Thanks for sharing this. You are tolerating a high amount of Huperazine A. I would be concerned doing this for extended periods without cycling, but you are obviously a smart cookie and know what youre doing. Best wishes.

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dacarte3
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   Posted 10/29/2017 3:55 PM (GMT -7)   
ChickenArise said...
Lapis_29 said...
my stack

egcg 1200 mg

HPZ 600 mcg

alpha gpc 600 mg

uridine 300 mg

dha 2 caps carlson's dha


Thanks for sharing this. You are tolerating a high amount of Huperazine A. I would be concerned doing this for extended periods without cycling, but you are obviously a smart cookie and know what youre doing. Best wishes.


That is a lot of huperzine a. I'm only doing 200mcg.

However that is the recommended daily dose for a healthy person not someone with lyme/a Neuro ailment.

I may step this up a tad.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/29/2017 3:57 PM (GMT -7)   
also discovered egcg depresses the enzyme that breaks down collagen, which is a great thing for lyme patients.

so another good reason to take it.

I think I will up my egcg

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/29/2017 4:00 PM (GMT -7)   
ChickenArise said...
Lapis_29 said...
my stack

egcg 1200 mg

HPZ 600 mcg

alpha gpc 600 mg

uridine 300 mg

dha 2 caps carlson's dha


Thanks for sharing this. You are tolerating a high amount of Huperazine A. I would be concerned doing this for extended periods without cycling, but you are obviously a smart cookie and know what youre doing. Best wishes.


i started at 400 mcg HPZ and only 2 days ago bumped up. may go down again, not sure.

dacarte3
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   Posted 10/29/2017 4:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
also discovered egcg depresses the enzyme that breaks down collagen, which is a great thing for lyme patients.

so another good reason to take it.

I think I will up my egcg


Also autoimmune encephalitis. I'm taking 1500mg of EGCG.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/29/2017 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...
Lapis_29 said...
also discovered egcg depresses the enzyme that breaks down collagen, which is a great thing for lyme patients.

so another good reason to take it.

I think I will up my egcg


Also autoimmune encephalitis. I'm taking 1500mg of EGCG.


yeah, pretty sure egcg if fairly safe to take in large amounts. if anyone knows differently please post

dacarte3
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   Posted 10/30/2017 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
notable update:

Muscle mass/tone/health - a lot of lymies with ALS like symptoms experience not just wasting but "flaccid" muscles or "mushy" muscles. The muscle is still there but flaccid and mushy.

I'm seeing noticeable improvement in this area. The forearm, a trouble spot for me is "filling" back out. The muscle tone isn't any bigger but my arm is filling out (literally).

For those that can relate, flaccid muscles and wasting in certain body parts become troubling "hollow" (literally, like the muscle and mass disappears and just leaves skin, blood, ligaments and maybe some fat), this was an issue with my fore arms especially.

It's filling in to the point I can notice a difference and when I flex the muscle is not flaccid. There's firmness and a elasticity to the firmness when pinching and poking this area, where before it was flaccid and "hollowed out".

Not to overstate this slight improvement (and possibly get ahead of myself), but the improvement is enough to actually notice and pay attention too.

It makes sense that if this protocol is healing the nerves and thus the ALS like symptoms that it would be very gradual, where existing muscles will get healthier first.

It will be terrific if additional muscle mass is actually created however this may require actual exercise to achieve.

If the flaccid/hollow issue continues to improve this may be a good sign that I can maybe, very slowly, re-introduce exercise.

Lapis my friend, if this continues and your beautiful mind actually found an effective remedy to lyme-ALS, you need to private message me so I can send you a gift. HA!

Purrrsiankitty
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   Posted 10/31/2017 4:56 PM (GMT -7)   
As I stumbled around my house in my glazed over - brain dead state, what's left of my mind kept coming back to the wisdom of the author and contributors of this thread and so many other threads who have the knowledge to research and help others.

Thank you for helping people like me who can't. I hope I can be useful to others in the future.

It took me an hour of research but I found all I need and wanted to let you know that I am also onboard😊

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/31/2017 5:44 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...
notable update:

Muscle mass/tone/health - a lot of lymies with ALS like symptoms experience not just wasting but "flaccid" muscles or "mushy" muscles. The muscle is still there but flaccid and mushy.

I'm seeing noticeable improvement in this area. The forearm, a trouble spot for me is "filling" back out. The muscle tone isn't any bigger but my arm is filling out (literally).

For those that can relate, flaccid muscles and wasting in certain body parts become troubling "hollow" (literally, like the muscle and mass disappears and just leaves skin, blood, ligaments and maybe some fat), this was an issue with my fore arms especially.

It's filling in to the point I can notice a difference and when I flex the muscle is not flaccid. There's firmness and a elasticity to the firmness when pinching and poking this area, where before it was flaccid and "hollowed out".

Not to overstate this slight improvement (and possibly get ahead of myself), but the improvement is enough to actually notice and pay attention too.

It makes sense that if this protocol is healing the nerves and thus the ALS like symptoms that it would be very gradual, where existing muscles will get healthier first.

It will be terrific if additional muscle mass is actually created however this may require actual exercise to achieve.

If the flaccid/hollow issue continues to improve this may be a good sign that I can maybe, very slowly, re-introduce exercise.

Lapis my friend, if this continues and your beautiful mind actually found an effective remedy to lyme-ALS, you need to private message me so I can send you a gift. HA!


wow man! thats awesome

so glad to hear that this is having a positive affect

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/31/2017 5:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Purrrsiankitty said...
As I stumbled around my house in my glazed over - brain dead state, what's left of my mind kept coming back to the wisdom of the author and contributors of this thread and so many other threads who have the knowledge to research and help others.

Thank you for helping people like me who can't. I hope I can be useful to others in the future.

It took me an hour of research but I found all I need and wanted to let you know that I am also onboard😊


great! let us know how it goes and if you have any questions

just be aware be are all figuring this out as we go along

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   Posted 10/31/2017 5:57 PM (GMT -7)   
I took your stack as listed above, figuring I'd start 1/2 dosage on each. I'm not usually sensitive on suppliments, but I'd thought I'd phase in.... unless you have other suggestions. I'm all ears....😊
Dx May 2015 Quest pos Elisa/neg WB. Doxy only. Restest Igenix lyme pos, neg CDC, 18 +, **23-25 IND, *30 +, **31+, **34 IND, **41+, **83-93++. Retest12/16 Igen 41+, 83-93+ whole blood-plasmid pos. Retest Lyme/co's. Neg co's. Suspected Bart. 7/15 start 16 mo of doxy, azith, ceftin. Finished 09/16. Cowden start 12/16 and stop April 2017 to deal with yeast & leaky gut.Restart Buhner for BBB.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 10/31/2017 6:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Purrrsiankitty said...
I took your stack as listed above, figuring I'd start 1/2 dosage on each. I'm not usually sensitive on suppliments, but I'd thought I'd phase in.... unless you have other suggestions. I'm all ears....😊


that sounds like a very sensible approach

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   Posted 10/31/2017 6:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok...should have them all within the week. If I forget what I'm going, plz remind me😉
Dx May 2015 Quest pos Elisa/neg WB. Doxy only. Restest Igenix lyme pos, neg CDC, 18 +, **23-25 IND, *30 +, **31+, **34 IND, **41+, **83-93++. Retest12/16 Igen 41+, 83-93+ whole blood-plasmid pos. Retest Lyme/co's. Neg co's. Suspected Bart. 7/15 start 16 mo of doxy, azith, ceftin. Finished 09/16. Cowden start 12/16 and stop April 2017 to deal with yeast & leaky gut.Restart Buhner for BBB.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/1/2017 10:01 AM (GMT -7)   
happyjo said...
I am curious to hear a follow up on this & how you all are doing. And sources? Amazon?


there are a couple very recent updates on this page. I am still doing it and still loving it.

I get all my supplements from amazon.

my uridine, alpha GPC, HPZ are Double Wood Supplements brand

DHA is Carlsons

I am sure other brand will work fine

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   Posted 11/1/2017 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Sounds fantastic!

Do you find it is helping with anxiety?
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Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/1/2017 6:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Lymiemomster said...
Sounds fantastic!

Do you find it is helping with anxiety?


yes, I have personally. but anxiety is not a major issue for me

ChickenArise
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   Posted 11/1/2017 9:26 PM (GMT -7)   
There's a store called Powder City online that I have been hearing good things about. I wonder how they compare in price to amazon.

Also a good place to get questions answered by experienced users would be here
tinyurl.com/y6ugprq5

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   Posted 11/2/2017 3:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
Lymiemomster said...
Sounds fantastic!

Do you find it is helping with anxiety?


yes, I have personally. but anxiety is not a major issue for me


Same for me. It has but anxiety is not a major issue for me either. So mild anxiety, yes. Severe anxiety? I don't know. Maybe, hopefully.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/2/2017 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   
ChickenArise said...
There's a store called Powder City online that I have been hearing good things about. I wonder how they compare in price to amazon.

Also a good place to get questions answered by experienced users would be here
tinyurl.com/y6ugprq5


thanks for the link!

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/2/2017 5:43 PM (GMT -7)   
if you are worried about Hupoerzine A you could stop and cycle it with phosphatidylserine (PS) and/or Acetyl-L-carnitine

Somebody said...
Phosphatidylserine
Its Antiaging Effects

ong-term use of phosphatidylserine (PS) in aged rats has been found to preserve cholinergic neurons.1 This is good news for aging humans. The proper function of these brain cells is instrumental to proper memory. In fact, there was no difference in cholinergic neuron count when compared to rats less than 1/6 their age, whereas the number of these neurons fell by 20% in age-matched rats not receiving PS.

Scientists have found as well that chronic PS use improves acetylcholine (ACh) release in aged rats.2

ACh is a neurotransmitter known to be essential in memory function. It is the means by which messages are transmitted in the cholinergic system, and it enhances the activity of all neurotransmission activity in the brain. ACh may be thought of as the electrolyte of the brain.

PS increases ACh release by increasing the availability of the nutrient choline for ACh synthesis. It also appears to restore acetylcholine release in aging rats by maintaining an adequate acetylcholine supply.3 [See new recommended intakes for choline in Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw Life Extension News - Issue #5.]

When 149 elderly humans with age-associated memory impairment were given PS for 12 weeks, their ability to perform quality of life learning and memory tasks improved.4 Improvement was greatest for those who were more impaired than their age peers. The results indicate that PS helps restore proper memory function later in life.



Acetyl-L-carnitine enhances acetylcholine release

Somebody said...


Acetyl-L-carnitine enhances acetylcholine release in the striatum and hippocampus of awake freely moving rats.

Imperato A1, Ramacci MT, Angelucci L.

Abstract

The effect of acetyl-L-carnitine (ALC) on the spontaneous release of acetylcholine (ACh) in the striatum and hippocampus of freely moving rats was investigated using brain microdialysis coupled with HPLC-electrochemical detection. Systemic administration of ALC, in a dose-dependent manner, stimulated ACh release in both areas, while the D-enantiomer was substantially ineffective. The effect of ALC was strongly Ca2+ dependent and tetrodotoxin (TTX) sensitive. These features of an exocytotic and impulse flow-dependent mechanism suggest that the increase in ACh release is the result of ALC activation of a physiological mechanism in cholinergic neurons.

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   Posted 11/2/2017 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis,

I have a lyme friend that is having neuro symptoms that is accompanied with fat loss versus muscle loss in my case.

The same way we located the compound/neuro-transmitter that plays a key role nerve to brain/brain to nerve communication with muscle nerve cells (vital in healthy muscle growth and function), is there something similar with fat cells?

I know fat cells communicate with the CNS to function properly in the same way (as well as pretty much all tissue found in the body).

I'm hoping I can find a similar neurological compound to promote and enhance that can help him with his neuro-fat loss symptom.

Have you come across anything that can head me in the right direction?
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present
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