May have found a way to disable and treat Lyme neurotoxin - Part 2

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dacarte3
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   Posted 11/2/2017 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis,

I have a lyme friend that is having neuro symptoms that is accompanied with fat loss versus muscle loss in my case.

The same way we located the compound/neuro-transmitter that plays a key role nerve to brain/brain to nerve communication with muscle nerve cells (vital in healthy muscle growth and function), is there something similar with fat cells?

I know fat cells communicate with the CNS to function properly in the same way (as well as pretty much all tissue found in the body).

I'm hoping I can find a similar neurological compound to promote and enhance that can help him with his neuro-fat loss symptom.

Have you come across anything that can head me in the right direction?
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/3/2017 4:02 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...


I'm hoping I can find a similar neurological compound to promote and enhance that can help him with his neuro-fat loss symptom.

Have you come across anything that can head me in the right direction?


hmmm....nothing comes to mind

I will keep this in mind and let you know if I run across anything

dacarte3
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   Posted 11/3/2017 6:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis,

Have you decided to cycle the protocol or at least the huperzine A?

I'm at the two week mark and thinking about stopping for a week and cycling every 2 weeks.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/3/2017 6:14 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...
Lapis,

Have you decided to cycle the protocol or at least the huperzine A?

I'm at the two week mark and thinking about stopping for a week and cycling every 2 weeks.


yes, just started to cycle

stack 1

HPZ + EGCG + alpha GPC + uridine + DHA

stack 2

Phosphatidylserine + ACL carnitine + alpha GPC + DHA

I am doing stack 2 now. not sure how long each one should be done for

stack 2 stimulates Acetylcholine but not not inhibit acetylcholinesterase.

stack 1 does inhibit acetylcholinesterase.

also. am doing a heaping spoonful of royal jelly every day, which i like but isn't really part of the protocol

dacarte3
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   Posted 11/3/2017 7:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm confused by the cycling of Huperzine A. The half life is 12 hours. So in 24 hours it is out of a person's system, so I don't quite understand cycling it.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

Purrrsiankitty
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   Posted 11/4/2017 2:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Just took the first round
Dx May 2015 Quest pos Elisa/neg WB. Doxy only. Restest Igenix lyme pos, neg CDC, 18 +, **23-25 IND, *30 +, **31+, **34 IND, **41+, **83-93++. Retest12/16 Igen 41+, 83-93+ whole blood-plasmid pos. Retest Lyme/co's. Neg co's. Suspected Bart. 7/15 start 16 mo of doxy, azith, ceftin. Finished 09/16. Cowden start 12/16 and stop April 2017 to deal with yeast & leaky gut.Restart Buhner for BBB.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/4/2017 6:39 PM (GMT -7)   
dacarte3 said...
I'm confused by the cycling of Huperzine A. The half life is 12 hours. So in 24 hours it is out of a person's system, so I don't quite understand cycling it.


theoretically supressing acetylcholinesterase for long periods could have negative consequences.

there are 2 parts to the protocol - stimulating acetylcholine, and supressing acetylcholinesterase (the enzyme that breaks acetylcholine down)

HPZ + EGCG is the part of the protocola that suppresses acetylcholinesterase, and so should potentially be taken a break from

alpha GPC, phosphatidylserine, ACL carnitine, and DHA just help to create acetylcholine, and are less likely to have negative consequences with long term use.

also it takes about 48 hrs for the acetylcholinesterase inhibitory properties of the HPZ to be cleared from the system.

Post Edited (Lapis_29) : 11/4/2017 7:42:56 PM (GMT-6)


Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/4/2017 6:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Purrrsiankitty said...
Just took the first round


ok, let us know how it goes

dacarte3
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   Posted 11/4/2017 6:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
dacarte3 said...
I'm confused by the cycling of Huperzine A. The half life is 12 hours. So in 24 hours it is out of a person's system, so I don't quite understand cycling it.


theoretically supressing acetylcholinesterase for long periods could have negative consequences.

there are 2 parts to the protocol - stimulating acetylcholine, and supressing acetylcholinesterase (the enzyme that breaks acetylcholine down)

HPZ + EGCG is the part of the protocola that suppresses acetylcholinesterase, and so should potentially be taken a break from

alpha GPC, phosphatidylserine, ACL carnitine, and DHA just help to create acetylcholine, and are less likely to have negative consequences with long term use.

also it takes about 48 hrs for the acetylcholinesterase inhibitory properties of the HPZ to be cleared from the system.


Interesting. So I'll pulse the hpz and EGCG, take it every other day. And I'll take choline daily.

Because of Lyme, I still think us lymies should take it a bit more frequently than someone without lyme.

Thanks again.

Lymiemomster
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   Posted 11/12/2017 10:27 PM (GMT -7)   
How’s it going for everyone?
15 yr old son sick no school Oct/15 Dx July/16
Migraines extreme brain fog anxiety/ocd insomnia extreme joint pain neuropathy stomach pain
Aug 3/16 Doxy Zithro BB Bab 2
Oct 5 Zithro and rifampin, Bab 2 anxiety/panic attacks -quit rif
Dec Zithro, Artesunate and finishing Bab 2 Mid Dec add japanese knotweed,gou teng
Feb 2017 80% normal back to school, added houttuynia

ChickenArise
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   Posted 11/13/2017 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I am extremely confused in researching Choline. I was about to add some to my vitamin order and I came across this which states that people who eat meat and dairy have an unfavorable microbiome in the gut in which Choline intake will lead to production of TMAO, thereby increasing risks of prostate cancer and heart disease.

The following is both scary and fascinating research (well worth the 9minute investment in time):

Carnitine, Choline, Cancer, & Cholesterol: The TMAO Connection
Michael Greger M.D. FACLM April 26th, 2013 Volume 13
/nutritionfacts.org/video/carnitine-choline-cancer-and-cholesterol-the-tmao-connection/

Is this total BS like the "Cholesterol is bad for you" BS or is there some validity to this because I consume meat and eggs and have a microbiome that is customized as a result of dietary habits?

I am totally fine with an I dont know answer over speculation as everyone cant know everything.

I ask because I am convinced that I may have created a perfect storm which caused my testicular cancer back in early 2014 as I was doing large amounts of L-Arganine daily as part of a ketogenic diet as well as using Androgel testosterone hormone replacement therapy which brought my T levels from 200 to 650.

There was 4 months of episodes of short lived sharp pain as a warning before developing lumps and much pain almost overnight. I almost always felt the pain after a warm shower which is when I applied the Androgel. This type of cancer is very rare at then age of 47.

I dont think either by itself can cause cancer but having a latent virus in the herpes family and carrying a fungal infection left untreated for a decade (only found out later on my own because I had dangerously ignorant doctors) combined with overriding my body's defensive hormone down regulation led to the development of cancer within less than 6 months of treatment.

I used to think it was due to keeping my cell phone in my front pocket which may have been a tipping point trigger at best but now I believe it was the aforementioned. Lesson learned, HRT can be deadly under certain conditions.

Therefore I feel I have a legitimate concern. I am definately not trying to throw a wrench into anyone's use of Choline.

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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 11/13/2017 2:41:44 PM (GMT-7)


Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/14/2017 7:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Lymiemomster said...
How’s it going for everyone?


I feel lilke this protocol has really helped me, especially with depression type symptoms.

I feel comfortable saying that lyme depressed my acetylcholine levels and this protocol helped correct that.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/14/2017 8:05 AM (GMT -7)   
ChickenArise said...
I am extremely confused in researching Choline. I was about to add some to my vitamin order and I came across this which states that people who eat meat and dairy have an unfavorable microbiome in the gut in which Choline intake will lead to production of TMAO, thereby increasing risks of prostate cancer and heart disease.

The following is both scary and fascinating research (well worth the 9minute investment in time):

Carnitine, Choline, Cancer, & Cholesterol: The TMAO Connection
Michael Greger M.D. FACLM April 26th, 2013 Volume 13
/nutritionfacts.org/video/carnitine-choline-cancer-and-cholesterol-the-tmao-connection/

Is this total BS like the "Cholesterol is bad for you" BS or is there some validity to this because I consume meat and eggs and have a microbiome that is customized as a result of dietary habits?

I


there could be risks, sure. There is risks for EVERYTHING you put in your body. everything. The quesiton is do the rewards out weight the risks? in this case it is an easy 'yes' for me.

however if you are worried about TMOA there are options.

first what does TMOA do?


Somebody said...

TMAO alters cholesterol metabolism in the intestines, in the liver, and in artery wall. In the presence of TMAO, there is increased deposition of cholesterol in, and decreased removal of cholesterol from, peripheral cells such as those in the artery wall


there is an easy solution to this, the Pauling cardio protocol of Vit C + lysine is designed to solve this exact problem. I already follow this protocol because it builds collagen, which lyme patients need.

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

secondly you can remodel your gut micriobiota to stop the process of creating TMOA with resveratrol.

ChickenArise
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   Posted 11/14/2017 1:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Lapis_29 said...
ChickenArise said...
I am extremely confused in researching Choline. I was about to add some to my vitamin order and I came across this which states that people who eat meat and dairy have an unfavorable microbiome in the gut in which Choline intake will lead to production of TMAO, thereby increasing risks of prostate cancer and heart disease.

The following is both scary and fascinating research (well worth the 9minute investment in time):

Carnitine, Choline, Cancer, & Cholesterol: The TMAO Connection
Michael Greger M.D. FACLM April 26th, 2013 Volume 13
/nutritionfacts.org/video/carnitine-choline-cancer-and-cholesterol-the-tmao-connection/

Is this total BS like the "Cholesterol is bad for you" BS or is there some validity to this because I consume meat and eggs and have a microbiome that is customized as a result of dietary habits?

I


there could be risks, sure. There is risks for EVERYTHING you put in your body. everything. The quesiton is do the rewards out weight the risks? in this case it is an easy 'yes' for me.

however if you are worried about TMOA there are options.

first what does TMOA do?


Somebody said...

TMAO alters cholesterol metabolism in the intestines, in the liver, and in artery wall. In the presence of TMAO, there is increased deposition of cholesterol in, and decreased removal of cholesterol from, peripheral cells such as those in the artery wall


there is an easy solution to this, the Pauling cardio protocol of Vit C + lysine is designed to solve this exact problem. I already follow this protocol because it builds collagen, which lyme patients need.

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

secondly you can remodel your gut micriobiota to stop the process of creating TMOA with resveratrol.


Excellent. Can you suggest anything to reduce the risk to the prostate?

Is Cytidine 5'-diphosphocholine an acceptable Choline?

What is the difference in effects of Phosphatidylserine and Phosphatidylcholine and is the latter the same as Cytidine 5'-diphosphocholine ?

Thank you for letting me pick your brain like a zombie.


Also,
This was interesting on getting the most EGCg from your Green Tea.

https://www.acneeinstein.com/hack-your-tea/


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YT (for now): www.tinyurl.com/CHIARISE
Twitter: @ClintFromNYtoVA
Blog: www.fascinatingtimetobealive.blogspot.com/
"Give me the material that I can to apply critical thinking or blind faith to. I'm all about the possibilities!"
“The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are"

Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 11/14/2017 2:20:26 PM (GMT-7)


Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 11/15/2017 3:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Prostate issues come from elevated cadmium levels. That is another whole can of worms.
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