Mustard Seed said...
Charlie, it seems like you may have had some bad experiences with LLMDs. How many did you see?
It's not the matter of having a bad experience with LLMDs. I'm just giving the reality of the situation, a lot of people don't like hearing the truth. LLMDs aren't following the top ILADs protocols nor are they up to date with the recent breakthrough on the John Hopkins study and how it relates to the recent success with persister cells. Which why I think it isn't getting enough publicity on the forums and why I'm bringing it up in discussion. People need to know...
I think a lot of lyme forums are still being overruled by alternative treatments and hypothetical information, we're well past that point now!!!
People need to know about
the recent success with persister cell antibiotics, as well as how probably a good portion of LLMDs in your state probably aren't going to treat with them and why(which I mentioned above). This can become a huge road block for a lot of patients. Years ago, I had enough common sense to ditch the two LLMDs in Michigan and move onto an LLMD more educated in the latest protocols, which entailed using Flagyl with multiple antibiotics. That was like 6 years ago...
Mustard Seed said...
I would say the majority of people on this site who regularly see an LLMD are on multiple antibiotics, and not just the "weak" ones (as defined by...you?). There have been a lot of people through here on Tindamax, Flagyl, Rifampin, Ceftin, Doxy, etc..
The topic at hand was the breakthough on the new persister cell antibiotics being used, pyrazinamide and dapsone, not Tindamax, Flagyl, Rifampin, Ceftin, Doxy. I brought these up, because even a lot of the so called "LLMDs" aren't even using them. Lets not get off topic, this is what the thread was originally about
, and I'd say most the lyme patient community hasn't even tried them yet.
There were also other persister cell drugs mentioned in the thread that a lot of patients haven't tried such as Daraprim and Disulfiram.
LymeSick 🌟 said...
There's no such thing as a "strong" and "weak" antibiotic.
Different antibiotics work on different organisms.
There are broad spectrum antibiotics, but that doesn't make them strong.
You don't want to use those particular words ok... It's a simple way to tell a person who's starting off with treatment which antibiotic has a tendency to work better than others.
Fact of the matter is, Dr. Sapi's research shows Tindamax dissolving biofilms by 90%, while Flagyl was more like 50%
Wouldn't you think patients who are new to Lyme Disease, which between the two antibiotics works stronger against biofilms? Same thing can be said about
active borrelia.... between Doxy and Zithromax right?
Antiparasitic and antibacterial drugs also lose their strength against organism with time because of evolution! For instance, artemisinin was a strong antiparasitic against babesia 5-10 years ago, but due to evolution, it might not be a great choice since it's gotten weaker against the organism. Mepron may be a better choice.
By the way LymeSick, I didn't know you're so technical and educated about
antibiotics, I saw your posts on herbals, I can't wait to hear which herbals work on active borrelia, biofilms, and a round bodies. Last time I looked you were asking whether or not herbals would even help you reach remission?
Look, I'm not looking to argue with people. I have 7 years of dealing with this disease, I'm close to 100%. I'm running up to 5 miles a day, putting 300 lbs up on bench, almost symptom free other than fatigue.
I understand the truth hurts when a lot of things are broken down, but I'm looking to help people and give a fresh perspective on things, rather than the typical stuff being said on the forums.
I very much hope people consider using some of the treatment I recommended, as the top ILADS Doctors are using the same protocols and are helping a lot of lyme patients reach remission...
Everyone is entitled to still use herbals, rife machine, and the other alternative treatment if they want. I gave LymeSick my personal advice in his thread how I think herbals would work better with antibiotics, but by themselves it's not going to hit all forms of borrelia(biofilm+cysts) and get you into remisison. A lot of people didn't like hearing that honesty.
What I see now is a thread full of trolling and childish arguing...
Post Edited (Charlie55) : 11/23/2017 2:13:37 AM (GMT-7)