Sanoviv Clinic in Mexico

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Hoagie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 8:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't heard really anyone talk about this place on here.

A member of this forum has a sister who is currently being treated there. She had been diagnosed with ALS in the states and started deteriorating quite fast. I have been corresponding with her to get updates, and will most likely visit the facility before years end.

I called the clinic last week. The lady who answered the call was very kind and informative. She sent me an email with a form to fill out a listing of diagnosis, symptoms, meds, etc...

I then called them back to let them know it was filled out and submitted. She then scheduled an appointment for me to talk to a doctor at the clinic to go over what would be the right route for me to take.

That appointment was this evening. A Dr, I forgot his name, called me at 5 pm and discussed my issues and explained how things worked at the facility and what to expect. What I was most interested in was the hypertherapy treatment. He explained that they have some of their doctors go to the ILADS convention in Boston each year to be up to date on the latest in the Lyme world.

They focus on overall health while eradicating Borrelia and all co-infections. It sounds too good to be true. But, he answered some important questions for me which lead me to believe that this facility is legit.

I told him that I will be receiving funds with help from others and that I was trying to decide whether to pick this facility or Dr. J's 9 month IV program. Can't do both. So, I asked him how they can do in 2-3 weeks what it takes one of the best Lyme specialists in the world 9 months to years to do. He explained to me, which this part I already knew, that Borrelia presents itself in different forms. Larva, nymph, adult form; Cyst form, and Biofilm. He said that it takes a while to hit all forms with the conventional oral/IV treatment.

The Lyme protocol they use is usually 2 weeks. He is recommending 3 weeks for neuro Lyme sufferers, which I am. Each week, everything is based around the main event, the hyperthermia session. The middle of each week, you go into hyperthermia therapy

How this works: They sedate you. Raise your body temperature to as close to 106.9 Fahrenheit as they can. This process takes about 2 hours. They then keep you at that temperature for 2 hours. All the while hydrating you via IV. This temperature breaks down all forms of Borrelia and coinfections. Once these break down they hit you with IV Flagyl, Azithromycin, and I think he said Rocephin. Not sure about the last one because of his accent. But they hit you with 3 abx intravenously.
The standard treatment of this is twice in the 2 week program. But, I have been recommended 3 weeks with 3 sessions.

You are assigned an entire medical staff while you are there. Medical doctors, biological dentist, chiropractor, physical therapist.

It is a completely toxic free environment. You wear clothes they provide. All their food is gluten, dairy, sugar, all natural food.

Laboratory Testing (*see back)
Ultrasound (breast, abdominal, pelvis)
EKG
Microscopic Blood Analysis
Chest X-ray (if indicated by doctor)
Medical Consultations (daily on weekdays)
Nutrition Assessment and Consultation
Chiropractor Assessment and Follow Up
Fitness Assessment and Follow Up
Psychology Consultation and Individual Sessions
Dental Evaluation & Explanation with Panarex X-ray
Subclavian Catheter Placement (if indicated by doctor)
Ozone Therapy with Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation
Hyperbaric Oxygen
Whole Body Hyperthermia, Extended Duration
with Sedation (2 sessions in 2-week program)
IV Superimmune Therapy with Glutathione Push
IV Antibiotics (if indicated by doctor)
IV High-Dose Nutrition
IV Artesunate

The program includes:
Colon Hydrotherapy
Bioenergetic therapies
Medical SPA Therapies (*see back)
Max Pulse (HRV & Vessel Health)
Bio impedence analysis
Daily Meditations and Energy Medicine
Food Preparation & Juicing Classes
Fitness Classes
Lectures (nutrition, detox, breathing, etc.)
2 Weeks Accommodations, Oceanfront Room
All Meals (organic, free of gluten & dairy)

Lab Tests:
Complete Blood Count
Blood Chemistry (SMAC 30)
Thyroid Panel
C-Reactive Protein (included with SMAC)
Antiperoxidase Antibodies
Urinalysis
Blood Typing
Stool Analysis
Vitamin D Test (25 hydroxy)
Adrenal Stress Profile
Sedimentation Rate
Antinuclear Antibodies
CD57 Count
Lyme Panel B *

The coordinator on the phone told me that they had a woman come to their clinic who had been clinically diagnosed with Lyme. She had been treating for quite a while but was not getting any better. They tested her for Lyme, came back negative. They found out she had Hashimoto's. Once they treated the Hashimoto's, she started getting better.

This is another reason why I want to go to this clinic. They have many patients come there with unexplained illnesses. They find what is wrong with them and treat them accordingly.

Girlie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 9:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Only you can make this decision, Hoagie. And sounds like a tough one for you to make.

Sounds like you are well taken care of there -pampered to the max.


The story about the lady with Hashimotos - she didn't need to go to that clinic to figure that out. Regular thyroid tests should have provided that information.


I think it's a good idea to try and find some testimonies from people that have been there.

I've also been emailing with the same forum member. I hope it works for her!!
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 9:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie - they have a Facebook page. Take a look at it.

- lots of 5 star reviews.

I have to say though that most of them were people mentioning a health retreat but not serious illnesses.
I did see one testimony of a man going there in a wheelchair...and not needing it when he left.
But, it didn't say what his issue was.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

goshawk
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   Posted 11/20/2017 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie, were they willing to provide you with some references of other people who have been there and had success. It would be good to hear their input if possible.

Have you checked on other forums to see if anyone has been there like the Lymenet forum.

Also I thought I saw a post many months ago about this place on here. I'll do a search and see if anything turns up.

Take care, Jo
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Hoagie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 10:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I've scoured the internet for reviews of the place. On their site they have testimonials. The very first one is from a Lyme patient who had great results. So, he sent his son this past October. And he is doing better as well.

The whole thing just sounds too good to be true. Which is why I am awaiting more updates from the forum member on her sister's experience there. So far, everything the doctor explained to me lines up with what the sister is going through.

I found different reviews of the facility online. All good. But, not much about the Lyme protocol.

Hoagie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 10:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Dr Myron Wentz is the founder of the clinic. That is all we need to know about it's legitimacy I suppose. The doctor I spoke with said they follow the Lyme protocol practiced at a successful clinic in Germany. However, Sanoviv offers stem cell treatments where as I think the German clinic doesn't.

Evanston1
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   Posted 11/20/2017 10:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Sanoviv is the sister clinic to Klinic St George in Germany. It's the same approach and the two clinics work together. The main difference is that St George Klinic offers a third week that includes plasma pheresis and IVIG. Sanoviv does not. But Sanoviv does offer a third week for an additional hyperthermia treatment. I've looked into both clinics extrensively. And I do know of several people who have gone to St George Klinic and they are doing amazingly well considering where they started.

One thing everyone reiterated is that you HAVE to be able to do their post clinic follow up treatments at home which will include IV detox therapies. That costs additional $$ and it all really adds up. Don't go if you won't be able to adhere to the protocol they set for you to do once you return home.

But I do think it's been a game changer for a lot of people who have gone there. I am looking closely at another clinic in Mexico called Lyme Treatment Mexico. Not sure yet what I will do.

Hoagie
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   Posted 11/20/2017 10:53 PM (GMT -6)   
They did not mention the home therapy to me. I will call again tomorrow as I have some other questions as well.

10LymeB
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   Posted 11/20/2017 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I've never heard of it, but it sounds intense. I'm choosing to go to Infusio in Beverly Hills. I start in January. You might want to compare other clinics as well and post on other Lyme boards as well as the Facebook page.
*42 yo - Treatment started Nov. 2016 - Bitten by mosquito in Paris 2013
* SIBO (improved with diet)
* Candida (improved with diet and Nystatin)
* Lyme - Babesia - Bartonella
* Hashimoto's (improved with NatureThroid)
* EBV
* HHV6
* Tinea Versicolor (improved with Sporanox)
* IBS (improved with diet and BPC 157)
* Mostly herbal treatment, Bryon White

Rikky1
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   Posted 11/21/2017 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie thanks for sharing all the great info from the clinic.

Yes definitely a tough choice for you between Dr. J and this place. Dr. J has a proven track record and thousands of patients over the years. This place has hyperthermia treatment which has been a real game changer for whacking the population of bugs in hard to reach places in your body and seems to make sense. There have been enough stories out of folks who've went to the German clinic to prove its effectiveness. I haven't heard any stories of full remission but definite improvement.

Let us know what decision you end up with. If money wasn't a factor I would try the clinic first and if that doesn't bear fruit you always have the long term IV therapy option from Dr. J on the table.

Hoagie
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   Posted 11/22/2017 8:49 AM (GMT -6)   
I have decided to go to the clinic. After doing research on hyperthermia and reading others experiences with it, I feel this is the best path for me. Plus this facility focuses on overall health and will be able to test and monitor literally every aspect of my health while there.

I'm currently getting finances, passport, and home life in order to hopefully make the trip early next month. My brother, who lives in Portland, will be my companion. It should also be a good time for us to reconnect as we haven't really spent quality time together in 17 years.

Evanston1
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   Posted 11/22/2017 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie-

I'm so happy for you that you've made a decision! Sometimes making the hardest part.

I'm curious.... how did you decide on Sanoviv vs St George Klinic in Germany?

I'm totally torn between St George and a different clinic in Mexico.

It's SSOO hard to decide!!!

Hoagie
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   Posted 11/22/2017 12:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I've already spoken to people at Sanoviv. And it's relatively close to where I live. Time is of the essence for me right now. I don't feel I have the time to mull over all the details of each clinic. Wish I did have that opportunity. My condition seems to be deteriorating at almost a daily pace now. I'm actually going to try to get there next week if I can.

Evanston1
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   Posted 11/22/2017 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow! That's amazing. Please update us on your experience and your healing. Wishing you all the best!!!

When were you bit? How long have you been sick for?

Girlie
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   Posted 11/22/2017 1:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie - I'm glad you've made a decision. That is the hardest part!

That's great your brother will be with you.


I hope this treatment works for you ...and you can come back and report good news here!

Sending you well wishes -
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

yancync
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   Posted 11/22/2017 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Best wishes Hoagie! Would you mind giving a ball park cost and the number of weeks you expect to be there? No worries if you don't feel comfortable posting it but I'm curious. Thanks!
Parent of teen DS w/ CDC+ Lyme test Nov 2015, late stage Lyme + mycoplasma, bartonella, babesia. Currently treating with antibiotics/anti-malerials, multivitamin, magnesium, Charlotte's Web Advanced CBD oil.

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Lapis_29
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   Posted 11/22/2017 2:17 PM (GMT -6)   
good luck!

let us know how it goes

Hoagie
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   Posted 11/22/2017 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you everyone!

yancync - The cost for 3 weeks treatment is just shy of $30K. This includes everything of course. It's pricey. But, had I went with the IV therapy with Dr J, the 7-9 month course would have been right around $50K.

Anyhow, I kinda feel the decision has been made for me by my aggressive symptoms. I need something drastic at this point. Within the last month, my walking has gotten so bad that I've had to go on medical leave from work. The left side of my body is going numb. It seems to be ramping up quite fast. Plus, Dr Js recommendation that we should start IV as soon as possible leads me to believe that I need to do something big and do it fast.

I will definitely be keeping you updated. I might be there before our forum member's sister leaves. She has shown improvement in her 1st week. This is great considering she was deteriorating at an alarming rate before her visit.

yancync
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   Posted 11/22/2017 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Hoagie and I know many here, including myself, are looking forward to hearing about it as it sounds promising. I'm sorry to hear of your walking issues - that must be super alarming.
Parent of teen DS w/ CDC+ Lyme test Nov 2015, late stage Lyme + mycoplasma, bartonella, babesia. Currently treating with antibiotics/anti-malerials, multivitamin, magnesium, Charlotte's Web Advanced CBD oil.

Website I started: ParentsofLymeKids.com aka Lyme Disease 101 for Parents

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   Posted 11/22/2017 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I have not heard of this clinic before. But I am very interested in hyperthermia treatments. Earlier this year I met a women who said she made a full recovery using hyperthermia treatment at Sierra Intergrative Medicine in Reno. She did several years of failed antibiotics, before doing hyperthermia. She spent around 6 weeks at the clinic, and several months of follow up treatment at home. She has been fully recovered for several years now following this treatment.
Earlier this year we had a member on this forum (Robby) go to this clinic. Unfortunately we never heard how the treatment worked out for him, because he never posted here after he went.
Because of the high cost of hyperthermia, around 20k at Sierra Intergrative, I decided to try the LLMD and antibiotic route first. Now I'm getting close to one year of treatment without seeing the major improvements I had hoped for, and thinking more about hyperthermia all the time.

I really...Really hope hyperthermia works for you. I hope you find full remission and get to move on with your life and forget about Lyme.
But PLEASE let us know how it works for you...so many of us are looking for an answer...and sharing your experiences in this community can be so very helpful to other forum members.

Good luck, and happy healing.

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   Posted 11/22/2017 8:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie,
I will be thinking of you and praying for success. Hang in there, Sincerely, Jo

Rikky1
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   Posted 11/22/2017 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
i believe Robby didn't have the success he hoped for at Sierra. i think the moderators know more about his situation may be they'll chime in.

Evanston1
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   Posted 11/22/2017 9:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Does Sierra do high temp hyperthermia like at Sanoviv? Or is it mild/moderate hyperthermia?

Girlie
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   Posted 11/22/2017 9:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...
i believe Robby didn't have the success he hoped for at Sierra. i think the moderators know more about his situation may be they'll chime in.


Yes, Rikky - I think he was disappointed but I can't remember the details. I don't think he posted about it - rather another forum member who was communicating with him spoke about it.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Lostcoast
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   Posted 11/22/2017 10:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Evanston:
I believe Sierra does high temp hyperthermia. They use a shot to induce fever. They call it the "shake and bake" protocol. They also do dark field.
The lady I talked to was a total believer. Years of failed antibiotics. Then full remission at Sierra. I was put in contact with her through a friend, and I believe the treatment really did work for her 100%

Of course that doesn't mean it will work for everyone, but it's very encouraging.
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