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eldonkey
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   Posted 12/4/2017 2:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi folks,

I have been diagnosed with Protomyxzoa Rheumatica, and suspect I may have Candida as well. What Probiotic is recommended to compliment my 100 mg per day Doxy? Are there certain strains to be looking for?

Thanks

Eldonkey

Evanston1
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   Posted 12/4/2017 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm a huge fan of VSL3, Xymogen Probiomax 350, Florastor, and any of Klaire brand probiotics.

PeppermintTea
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   Posted 12/4/2017 4:54 PM (GMT -7)   
We are a VSL#3 family.

eldonkey
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   Posted 12/4/2017 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the quick replies.. Any strains in particular I should be looking for or a 5 -10 billion or more count?

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/4/2017 6:13 PM (GMT -7)   

astroman
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   Posted 12/4/2017 6:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I had candida in my blood. VSL#3 helped when others did nothing. Seems to be a pattern here.

Its not cheap so shop around. Any pharma can order it, price will vary per the distributor. So the pharma across the street might be way cheaper from a diff dist.

In the summer make sure its from a refrigerated retailer. I think it lasts two weeks at room temp. A good dist uses cooler/fridge trucks. Online prob not, unless they say so.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 12/4/2017 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Jarrow Formulas Jarro-Dophilus EPS

fantastic, cant recommend it enough

Girlie
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   Posted 12/4/2017 9:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I take Genestra HMF Forte
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/5/2017 9:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
I take Genestra HMF Forte


I previously took "HMF Intensive" and see they now have "HMF Intensive 500":

www.seroyal.com/products/by-brand/genestra/hmf-intensive-500.html

It has 500 billion CFU per dose -- that's 20 times more than the original "HMF Intensive." But, more may not necessarily be better.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/5/2017 9:21 PM (GMT -7)   
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
I take Genestra HMF Forte


I previously took "HMF Intensive" and see they now have "HMF Intensive 500":

www.seroyal.com/products/by-brand/genestra/hmf-intensive-500.html

It has 500 billion CFU per dose -- that's 20 times more than the original "HMF Intensive." But, more may not necessarily be better.


I think mine are only 10 billion per capsule. Must be a "regular " or "low dose " formula.

I take two capsules at once plus a couple other types.

500 billion is s lot, Dude!

How much do you take daily?

I take between 50 to 100 billion a day.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/5/2017 9:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I have questions about the VSL #3 that some of you mentioned. I'd never heard of that before.

1. I saw it on Amazon but in one members post, it sounded like a prescription drug. Can doctors prescribe this as a drug that insurance will cover?

2. Does it work for IBS with constipation?

3. Are there any people who should NOT use this brand?

NOTE: I have IBS-C and have been taking probiotics for two years now. I can't tell they do a thing. I've taken Nature's Way Optima Max Potency, high dose Renew Life formulas, and now the new doc has me taking Orthomolecular's Probiotic 225.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/5/2017 11:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
I take Genestra HMF Forte


I previously took "HMF Intensive" and see they now have "HMF Intensive 500":

www.seroyal.com/products/by-brand/genestra/hmf-intensive-500.html

It has 500 billion CFU per dose -- that's 20 times more than the original "HMF Intensive." But, more may not necessarily be better.


I think mine are only 10 billion per capsule. Must be a "regular " or "low dose " formula.

I take two capsules at once plus a couple other types.

500 billion is s lot, Dude!

How much do you take daily?

I take between 50 to 100 billion a day.


Agreed - 500 billion is a lot! I wonder if the old saying "Too much of a good thing is bad" applies?

As for me, I no longer take any probiotics. The only supplements I currently take are Proteolytic Enzymes, Digestive Enzymes, HCL w/Pepsin, Zinc, Multivitamin, B, C, Manganese, and an Estrogen-Blocker.

We haven't chatted in a while, but I hope you're doing well...all things considered.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/5/2017 11:56 PM (GMT -7)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
I have questions about the VSL #3 that some of you mentioned. I'd never heard of that before.

1. I saw it on Amazon but in one members post, it sounded like a prescription drug. Can doctors prescribe this as a drug that insurance will cover?

2. Does it work for IBS with constipation?

3. Are there any people who should NOT use this brand?

NOTE: I have IBS-C and have been taking probiotics for two years now. I can't tell they do a thing. I've taken Nature's Way Optima Max Potency, high dose Renew Life formulas, and now the new doc has me taking Orthomolecular's Probiotic 225.


Here's some information I searched for Question #1:

1. I saw it on Amazon but in one members post, it sounded like a prescription drug. Can doctors prescribe this as a drug that insurance will cover?

Go here: /www.google.com/search?q=is+vsl3+covered+by+insurance andlook at the fourth search result titled "VSL#3 not FDA approved, therefore denied by insurance." It seems that some people can get the Double-Strength (DS) version covered by insurance. The DS version has 900 Billion CFU and is, appropriately, branded "VSL#3 900."

I'm not sure about Questions #2 and #3. I'll let someone more knowledgeable respond.

Good Luck!

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/6/2017 12:08 AM (GMT -7)   
eldonkey (love that name),

Here's another probiotic I've heard about:

/store.inspiredliving.com/miessence-fast-tract-gluten-free-probiotic-liquid-p1299.aspx

You can find it on other sites, but I think this was the cheapest I found.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/6/2017 1:07 AM (GMT -7)   
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
I take Genestra HMF Forte


I previously took "HMF Intensive" and see they now have "HMF Intensive 500":

www.seroyal.com/products/by-brand/genestra/hmf-intensive-500.html

It has 500 billion CFU per dose -- that's 20 times more than the original "HMF Intensive." But, more may not necessarily be better.


I think mine are only 10 billion per capsule. Must be a "regular " or "low dose " formula.

I take two capsules at once plus a couple other types.

500 billion is s lot, Dude!

How much do you take daily?

I take between 50 to 100 billion a day.


Agreed - 500 billion is a lot! I wonder if the old saying "Too much of a good thing is bad" applies?

As for me, I no longer take any probiotics. The only supplements I currently take are Proteolytic Enzymes, Digestive Enzymes, HCL w/Pepsin, Zinc, Multivitamin, B, C, Manganese, and an Estrogen-Blocker.

We haven't chatted in a while, but I hope you're doing well...all things considered.



haha..."all things considered...."

Well, I'm gearing up to get on a plane and fly across the continent next month.
I need to put the nail in the lyme coffin....and I hope Dr. J. has the hammer to do it.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/6/2017 1:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...

Agreed - 500 billion is a lot! I wonder if the old saying "Too much of a good thing is bad" applies?

As for me, I no longer take any probiotics. The only supplements I currently take are Proteolytic Enzymes, Digestive Enzymes, HCL w/Pepsin, Zinc, Multivitamin, B, C, Manganese, and an Estrogen-Blocker.

We haven't chatted in a while, but I hope you're doing well...all things considered.


haha..."all things considered...."

Well, I'm gearing up to get on a plane and fly across the continent next month.
I need to put the nail in the lyme coffin....and I hope Dr. J. has the hammer to do it.


Everything in context. smile

I certainly wish you the best of luck with Dr. J. My LLPA works for him in his clinic and says he's brilliant and really cares about his patients. So, I think you will be in good hands. He's board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease - which I'm not sure if the other well-known LLMDs are certified in Infectious Diseases.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/6/2017 2:30 AM (GMT -7)   
The Dude Abides said...


I certainly wish you the best of luck with Dr. J. My LLPA works for him in his clinic and says he's brilliant and really cares about his patients. So, I think you will be in good hands. He's board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease - which I'm not sure if the other well-known LLMDs are certified in Infectious Diseases.


Yes - I'm impressed - BUT - I will be seeing a NP for the majority of the appointment. The receptionist said she would schedule me on a day Dr J will be there so he can drop in and talk for 10-15 minutes.
I'll take what I can get.

So, Dude - your LLPA works for DrJ and for another LLMD, too?
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 12/6/2017 2:33:46 AM (GMT-7)


eldonkey
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   Posted 12/6/2017 9:34 PM (GMT -7)   
The Dude Abides said...
eldonkey (love that name),

Here's another probiotic I've heard about:

/store.inspiredliving.com/miessence-fast-tract-gluten-free-probiotic-liquid-p1299.aspx

You can find it on other sites, but I think this was the cheapest I found.


Thanks Dude!

I ended up going this route in the interest of time.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002S1U7RU


I'll see how it works. Last couple of weeks alot of my anxiety and depression has come back. This is not like me at all. I was fearless 3 months ago, and now everything is gloomy and I get anxiety over nothing!

NicHostetler
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   Posted 12/7/2017 7:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...


I certainly wish you the best of luck with Dr. J. My LLPA works for him in his clinic and says he's brilliant and really cares about his patients. So, I think you will be in good hands. He's board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease - which I'm not sure if the other well-known LLMDs are certified in Infectious Diseases.


Yes - I'm impressed - BUT - I will be seeing a NP for the majority of the appointment. The receptionist said she would schedule me on a day Dr J will be there so he can drop in and talk for 10-15 minutes.
I'll take what I can get.

So, Dude - your LLPA works for DrJ and for another LLMD, too?


Girlie - Please post after you visit Dr. J. I have been strongly considering going to his clinic. Travel costs and appointment costs are keeping me away.. Do you know if you can do followup appointments online?
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/8/2017 9:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...


I certainly wish you the best of luck with Dr. J. My LLPA works for him in his clinic and says he's brilliant and really cares about his patients. So, I think you will be in good hands. He's board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease - which I'm not sure if the other well-known LLMDs are certified in Infectious Diseases.


Yes - I'm impressed - BUT - I will be seeing a NP for the majority of the appointment. The receptionist said she would schedule me on a day Dr J will be there so he can drop in and talk for 10-15 minutes.
I'll take what I can get.

So, Dude - your LLPA works for DrJ and for another LLMD, too?


Sorry, Girlie, I just saw your last question. My LLPA works at Dr. J's clinic 1-2 weeks each month and works for herself the other part of the time.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/8/2017 10:04 PM (GMT -7)   
eldonkey said...
The Dude Abides said...
eldonkey (love that name),

Here's another probiotic I've heard about:

/store.inspiredliving.com/miessence-fast-tract-gluten-free-probiotic-liquid-p1299.aspx

You can find it on other sites, but I think this was the cheapest I found.


Thanks Dude!

I ended up going this route in the interest of time.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002S1U7RU

I'll see how it works. Last couple of weeks alot of my anxiety and depression has come back. This is not like me at all. I was fearless 3 months ago, and now everything is gloomy and I get anxiety over nothing!


Thanks for sharing the brand you selected. I sure hope it works well for you.

Best of luck, my friend!

The Dude

Girlie
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   Posted 12/8/2017 10:27 PM (GMT -7)   
NicHostetler said...
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...


I certainly wish you the best of luck with Dr. J. My LLPA works for him in his clinic and says he's brilliant and really cares about his patients. So, I think you will be in good hands. He's board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease - which I'm not sure if the other well-known LLMDs are certified in Infectious Diseases.


Yes - I'm impressed - BUT - I will be seeing a NP for the majority of the appointment. The receptionist said she would schedule me on a day Dr J will be there so he can drop in and talk for 10-15 minutes.
I'll take what I can get.

So, Dude - your LLPA works for DrJ and for another LLMD, too?


Girlie - Please post after you visit Dr. J. I have been strongly considering going to his clinic. Travel costs and appointment costs are keeping me away.. Do you know if you can do followup appointments online?


Sorry - I just saw this now. I won't be going until Jan or Feb. I was told that the second appt could be a phone appt.
I think you have to go back for an in-person appt for the third one.

BUT - it's 3 months between appts. So you get six months before having to
go back.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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