Too Much Artemisia annua?

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TheRhythm
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
I'm new here. I was diagnosed in 2009 with Lyme and Babesia, but I don't think I ever really killed either off. Main symptoms are incapacitating large joint inflammation.

I just started Buhner's protocol and even more recently the Babesia protocol: Cryptolepis and Artemisia annua. Sida acuta made me flare up way too bad to take it and function.

I have Plum Flower's brand of Artemisia which is a 5:1 extract powder, full spectrum. I started out with 300mg 3x/day and ramped it up to 450mg 3x/day. Is this way too much? Especially for a 5:1 extract?

It's working well, though. I figured maybe I need to take a lot since I've had babesia for a very long time and it might be extra hard to kill by this point.
DX'd Lyme & Babesia in 2009
Main symptom: severe large joint inflammation
Full on ABX w Mepron for a year, did nothing
Immunosuppressants for rheumatoid arthritis for 4 years
Peru jungle medicine
Started Buhner protocol June 2017
Started Buhner Babesia treatment (Cryptolepis, Artemisia) November 2017

Girlie
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, TheRhythm - welcome. I see you've posted before, but I don't think I acknowledged you were a new member!

Sorry!

Did you try lowering the dos of Sida acuta - maybe to just one drop 3X daily? or was that even too much?





Also, there's Bidens Pilosa or Alchornea Cordifolia that you could incorporate into your protocol for Babesia.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
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TheRhythm
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Girlie, way ahead o ya.

I tried an infinitesimally small dose of sida. Then I think I remember smelling the bag (it's a powder) and feeling my joints react, and then putting it away, going, "nope, nope, nope." It smelled yummy, though.

As for the Bidens, which also smells nice (flowery), it worked to eliminate night sweats for about a month or two, and then the night sweats came back on their own, until I stopped taking the Bidens. Go figure, huh?

Girlie
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:52 AM (GMT -7)   
TheRhythm said...
Thanks Girlie, way ahead o ya.

I tried an infinitesimally small dose of sida. Then I think I remember smelling the bag (it's a powder) and feeling my joints react, and then putting it away, going, "nope, nope, nope." It smelled yummy, though.

As for the Bidens, which also smells nice (flowery), it worked to eliminate night sweats for about a month or two, and then the night sweats came back on their own, until I stopped taking the Bidens. Go figure, huh?


Re: Bidens - is it a possibility that the sweats came back...because as you continued treatment, you herxed? Then when you stopped taking it, the sweats stopped as the herx subsided?

...just a thought.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

TheRhythm
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   Posted 12/7/2017 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   
That's a slight possibility, though it was more of a gradual onset.

Do you have answer to my question, though? Is 450mg 3x/day of a 5:1 powder extract way too much? Is it 5x too much?

Girlie
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   Posted 12/7/2017 11:12 AM (GMT -7)   
TheRhythm said...
That's a slight possibility, though it was more of a gradual onset.

Do you have answer to my question, though? Is 450mg 3x/day of a 5:1 powder extract way too much? Is it 5x too much?


I don't know - sorry.

One of Buhner's recommended brands of JK is Green Dragon Botanicals and it's 500 mg of whole herb.

I think dosage is 1-4 tablets 3X daily
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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