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Kat1000
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   Posted 12/7/2017 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm close to menopause but not there yet. I didn't have a period for 3 months last summer, and I was feeling pretty good. Not perfect, but ok. Then it returned in August, along with my symptoms. Back on antibiox.

Now I missed a period and for the first time ever I'm having hot flashes and night sweats. They cycle usually goes normal, hot, sweaty, chilled. I read this could be from reduced estrogen.

My foot and muscle pain is worse. I also read estrogen can help muscle aches. I have bart. My LLMD doesn't think babs, but I do have mottled skin which has improved with treatment.

Has anyone done hormone supplementation while treating lyme?
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/7/2017 9:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I have not. And, boy do I feel for you. As if lyme symptoms aren't enough, now you have meno symptoms too. You poor thing.

I did "natural" progesterone cream. It is not a miracle cure. It took the edge off my symptoms. My progesterone was compounded by a pharmacy. In the olden days when I started meno I had to get my stuff from Wisconsin. A long way from Cali. That was the ONLY place to get it. Now I think docs order stuff for their patients called bioidentical quite regularly.

As for night sweats - mine lasted a long time, as in years. As for hot flashes - I still can have a sip of wine and my face will go flush. The best part is you get to where you just can't care. Caring will frustrate you and stress you out. I just dealt with it.

Sheets and blankets on. 5 minutes later everything off. 5 minutes later freezing and blankets and a comforter back on.

Hubby and I joked about it. For years I said "roll your window up." We both aged and I was the one with the window down and he was the one saying "roll your window up."

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/7/2017 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   
My LLMD talked about testing my hormones and he does prescribe bioidenticals. I think I'm going to do it because I'm wondering if it will help beat the lyme?
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/7/2017 11:40 AM (GMT -7)   
I think lyme taxes many systems and organs.

If you can help a system or organ out, that is a very beneficial thing to do.

I had horrible brain fog with menopause. So when I got lyme and got horrible brain fog, it was super familiar. At first I thought I was going through menopause again. Then I read about lyme and brain fog. Whew!

Again, my heart goes out to you battle lyme and something else.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/7/2017 11:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Kat - when lyme hit, my periods stopped.

My Dr. tested my hormones and my estrogen had tanked. I never had perimenopause prior to this happening.


A few months later, I agreed to try the "bioidentical" hormones - Estro and progesterone.

That's when my symptoms went crazy - new symptoms showed up every few days...including the 'vibrations' I have.
When i tested - the estrogen had climbed quite a bit.
I stopped taking them, and 5 months later, my estrogen had climbed again and they were in high range. My Dr. couldn't figure it out.

Some people do feel better when taking the hormones. But, I would take what they call the 'bioidentical' ones.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Girlie - that's interesting. It's time for mine to stop. Trust me! Way past due. The flashes and sweats seem to be increasing in frequency. I did order some natural estrogen cream, but not sure it will do anything. I took an online quiz and it sounded like most of my symptoms were related to low estrogen, low progesterone and thyroid. I've been dealing with thyroid over a decade, and I use a progesterone cream from same company that makes this estrogen one. If I don't see an improvement, I'll probably go ahead with the testing but I see I'll need to be cautious and watch for lyme symptoms changing.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps

Girlie
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   Posted 12/7/2017 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Kat1000 said...
Girlie - that's interesting. It's time for mine to stop. Trust me! Way past due. The flashes and sweats seem to be increasing in frequency. I did order some natural estrogen cream, but not sure it will do anything. I took an online quiz and it sounded like most of my symptoms were related to low estrogen, low progesterone and thyroid. I've been dealing with thyroid over a decade, and I use a progesterone cream from same company that makes this estrogen one. If I don't see an improvement, I'll probably go ahead with the testing but I see I'll need to be cautious and watch for lyme symptoms changing.



Go slow when adding in the estrogen cream.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/7/2017 2:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Kat,

Read this article and discuss it with your LLMD before doing bioidenticals. Lyme and co complicate hormone therapy and results may not be as expected. Forewarned is forearmed.
www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/lyme-neurotoxins-and-hormonal-factors/

Look at any herbs and supplements you're taking and make sure they don't have anything causes your estrogen to drop. I took Vitex for 7 weeks and at that point I started having hot flashes, headaches and nausea. It made my estrogen go too low. I stopped the Vitex, and those symptoms went away. I did use Progon topical progesterone for about a year. It helped some. I stopped it when I started Vitex, which works to raise progesterone and lower estrogen. I also take Estrosense. Still on that.

There's a good source of hormone information on this site, too, that I found get helpful. www.larabriden."com

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/7/2017 2:20 PM (GMT -7)   
WalkingbyFaith - thanks for the links. I did just add hawthorne and red sage. I've been taking cc, hout and the other 2 I can't even think of right now! I didn't think about the herbs.

I'm nervous about hormones because my sister had breast cancer. But then she didn't do any supplementing and got it, so I'm thinking the bioidentical might be worth a try.

I'll take the article to the doc. I was also reading on Rawls page today. I'm at the point where I'm wondering if its Fibro. Tests didn't show anything though except positive for lyme - barely. I guess that's enough.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps
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