Lyme and osteoarthritis

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OriolCarol
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   Posted 12/14/2017 5:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys.

I would like to know if there is a relationship between lyme disease and osteoarthritis .... I can not find a way to stop the generalized inflammation in my body. From the first dose of antibiotic it is as if I had activated a mechanism of self destruction towards me ... or some tipe of autoimmune process .... I feel my scapulae rubbing against each other ... every time I walk more robotic and humpback ... and the worst is that it is progressing too fast .... Maybe my pain is quite subjective, but the fact that more pain more crunch does not give me good feelings ... and what I fear most is that all this damage would be irreversible .... Maybe I say crazy things but if this continues, I will have to put a prosthesis in each cartilage area ....

OriolCarol
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   Posted 12/14/2017 7:18 AM (GMT -6)   
I would like to share with your my spinal resonance. I have two. One is from August and other from this month.

I would like to know if there are many differences between one and the other. That way I could objectify my cervical pain better because in August i didn't have pain in my back and now the pain is horrible and it crunchs more.

From August.

https://ibb.co/ffjPLR

From this month.

https://ibb.co/iruKn6

Thank you smile

dmw52
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   Posted 12/14/2017 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I have the same thing happening. I get full of inflammation when I herx and my muscles are very tight, as a result I have joint/back damage everywhere. I get bone spurs that develop almost over night. I believe I have MCAD(mast cell activation disorder) triggered by Lyme. When I was first infected I told my dr that I felt like I was losing collagen in all my joints. I haven't found any help with this and due to the huge flares I get when I try to treat, I am unable to take anything to kill the bacteria. I use cannabutter (cannabis infused coconut oil) which keeps me functioning. Please let me know if you find anything that helps.

OriolCarol
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   Posted 12/14/2017 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
I think I will take the risk and bet to continue with the treatment, I will try to add all the detoxification methods I can and low doses of naltrexone. I do not know how this would evolve ...

I'll keep you informed.

By the way, if someone can interpret the resonance I would greatly appreciate it. If between one and the other there are no differences, I will be very calm. Now all the pain I feel in these areas I associated it with irreversible damage, either by the bacteria or by excessive inflammation.

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/14/2017 9:59 AM (GMT -6)   
OrioCarol, I can't interpret your xrays at all but I can tell you that prior to lyme my neck would make a slight grinding sound when I turned my head from side to side. Not very noticeable at all.

When I got lyme disease it was VERY noticeable and it seemed to be much worse. I am totally unsure if it was that lyme made me more sensitive to the sound? Or had it gotten worse because of lyme?

Before I got lyme my knees were bad and I would get steroid injections about every 6 months to alleviate the pain in my knees. My first lyme symptom was my knees got worse and I went for injections. I had no idea I had lyme disease. So did lyme make it worse? Or did lyme just make me full of inflammation and everything hurt?

I have no idea. Now currently here is where my life is. I have been without lyme symptoms for a year and a half. My neck sounds horrible when I turn from side to side and I get injections in my knees every 3 months (that is the most often they will give them to me).

I had a MRI of my knees and the result was Severe on both knees. Is it just the wear and tear or did lyme actually make them worse faster. I knew they were progressively going to get worse but did lyme do this?

Then it came time for me to have a bone scan (dexa scan). Findings are consistent with osteoporosis and osteopenia. I will never know if this was just age, hereditary or lyme.

I focus now on dairy-free food sources of calcium. Foods good for your bones are broccoli, leafy green vegetables (can you ever get enough kale?), tofu, almonds, beans, and sesame seeds. These are definitely some good choices to consider adding to your diet on a regular basis. You need about 500 to 800mg a day (one cup of cooked broccoli has 180mg of calcium, just to give you an idea).

Dairy, like cheese and ice cream, is acidic, and your body is better off eating food with a more alkaline pH. When you eat a lot of dairy, your body pulls calcium from your bones to try and neutralize the acidity.

For years I thought eating dairy was giving me calcium - good excuse to eat ice cream, eh? Now I grab a handful of almonds.

I don't know if anything I have written is helpful for you personally. Like I said, I just don't know how lyme played a part in the deterioration of my bones. I don't think it helped.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/14/2017 11:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Oriol - I can't interpret your X-rays but the radiologist should have commented if there was a change...or if everything was the same.

i know with my mri's of my thoracic back - the comments on the report will say ' no change' from the previous imaging...or 'consistent with....'

Do you have the report? Does it say anything?
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OriolCarol
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   Posted 12/14/2017 1:24 PM (GMT -6)   
In the first report she write.
Protusion of broad base in C6-C7 that causes mild medullary flattening associated with a discrete uncoarthrosis.
And in the second one valued by another different radiologist, he puts this.
Wide-area left lateral protrusion in C6-C7.
Mild cervical spondylitis.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/14/2017 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Is the protrusion a disc?

It doesn't appear that the second mri shows a worsening. I guess it depends on the protrusion - is it worse or the same.

But, they should have referred to the first one.

I would ask the Dr. - why they didn't say if it's worse or no change...maybe someone can look at them and report on it/
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

OriolCarol
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   Posted 12/15/2017 4:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been thinking, although maybe it's silly ... but in the case of the previous partner and me. Could there be a secondary factor that was simulating symptoms similar to lyme but in this case the use of antibiotics was contraindicated? For example, some active virus, or other infections that could grow better with the use of antibiotics, such as a candida.
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