My new kitten has bartonella - go figure

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k07
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   Posted 12/14/2017 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
We adopted a kitty a few months ago and she had some respiratory symptoms (runny eyes, yucky nose, sneezing). I took her to vet and I asked if they could test for bartonella. She came back as high positive as possible. Usually cats are not treated unless they are symptomatic, which she is. We've tried azith & clavamox (separately) but she has relapsed when off. Now she is actually coughing and she must be cold because she lays on the heat vents. Upon research I found an article from NC State veterinary school saying pradofloxacin & doxy (combo therapy) for 6 weeks has best outcome. The vet has agreed to let me try this. Interestingly, the article states that they recommend starting one abx at a time due to herx reactions! I will retest her at the end of treatment to see if it has worked. I know cipro has a lot of risks but is very effective against human bartonella.

I'm not sure if there's anything we can learn from feline bartonella but thought I would share. I am also giving her probiotics and high quality food. I'm glad I have the knowledge to help her.

If this doesn't work I may call upon a holistic vet.

I'm praying she does not infect any of us! Although my middle daughter did get a small scratch and a few days later had fever which developed into pneum. She had no swollen lymph nodes or the red bump that some get with cat scratch fever. She was treated with azithromycin. I may have her tested in upcoming months. I am keeping the kittens nails trimmed and discouraging any biting.

Post Edited (k07) : 12/14/2017 9:29:49 AM (GMT-7)


PeppermintTea
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   Posted 12/14/2017 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Poor kitty. She lucky to have you and your knowledge base.

Crazy the article speaks to starting one abx at a time due to herxing.

To her healing.

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/14/2017 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Sometimes I wonder why a cat can get diagnosed with bart and our tests are unreliable. Same thing goes for dogs testing for lyme. One draw and a few hours and the vet can test a dog. Something is wrong with this.

So sorry for your poor kitty. More importantly I hope your daughter did not get bart.

Lucky kitty to have you, that's for sure.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/14/2017 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
K07 - Reading this - I now think one of my cats had bartonella.

He had a respiratory illness that the Vets couldn't treat effectively. But, it was many years ago...and I didn't know to question bartonella.


I'm not sure I'd want that cat in the house...it sounds cruel, but isn't it too risky for your family?
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astroman
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   Posted 12/14/2017 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
Sometimes I wonder why a cat can get diagnosed with bart and our tests are unreliable. Same thing goes for dogs testing for lyme. One draw and a few hours and the vet can test a dog. Something is wrong with this.

So sorry for your poor kitty. More importantly I hope your daughter did not get bart.

Lucky kitty to have you, that's for sure.


YES! Whats the deal here? Do we have any vets who can answer this?

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And- funny how most of the public thinks "cat scratch fever" is just a line sung by old rocker Ted Nugent. Cats digging paws into kitty liter/poop is not good for people in the household.

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/14/2017 11:23:20 AM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 12/14/2017 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
PeteZa said...
Sometimes I wonder why a cat can get diagnosed with bart and our tests are unreliable. Same thing goes for dogs testing for lyme. One draw and a few hours and the vet can test a dog. Something is wrong with this.

So sorry for your poor kitty. More importantly I hope your daughter did not get bart.

Lucky kitty to have you, that's for sure.


YES! Whats the deal here? Do we have any vets who can answer this?


A friend that I walk with - her son's dog was bit by a tick, the vet immediately gave the dog antibiotics.

But if her son went to the Dr. because he was bit...he would walk out with nothing...

What IS up with that???
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 12/14/2017 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I've read that it is very common for cats to carry bartonella. I think I saw like 80% of them do? I should get mine tested. He likes to play a lot and I get scratched all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave me bart.
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

k07
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   Posted 12/14/2017 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...
I've read that it is very common for cats to carry bartonella. I think I saw like 80% of them do? I should get mine tested. He likes to play a lot and I get scratched all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave me bart.


They say anywhere from 15-50% of cats have it. Most times it lives in harmony with the cat. But if the cat shows symptoms they definitely treat due to the fact that it can infect humans.

k07
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   Posted 12/14/2017 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
K07 - Reading this - I now think one of my cats had bartonella.

He had a respiratory illness that the Vets couldn't treat effectively. But, it was many years ago...and I didn't know to question bartonella.


I'm not sure I'd want that cat in the house...it sounds cruel, but isn't it too risky for your family?


I have thought about this, but I’m hoping I can lower the bartonella or possibly cure her. I am stubborn and have to try. She’s a sweet little girl and everyone is attached. We will see...If she continues to be sick after antibiotics I am not sure what I will do.

I would love to know why a cats bartonella test is so accurate.

NicHostetler
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   Posted 12/14/2017 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
k07 said...
NicHostetler said...
I've read that it is very common for cats to carry bartonella. I think I saw like 80% of them do? I should get mine tested. He likes to play a lot and I get scratched all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave me bart.


They say anywhere from 15-50% of cats have it. Most times it lives in harmony with the cat. But if the cat shows symptoms they definitely treat due to the fact that it can infect humans.


What are the symptoms the cat shows?
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

Girlie
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   Posted 12/14/2017 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...
k07 said...
NicHostetler said...
I've read that it is very common for cats to carry bartonella. I think I saw like 80% of them do? I should get mine tested. He likes to play a lot and I get scratched all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave me bart.


They say anywhere from 15-50% of cats have it. Most times it lives in harmony with the cat. But if the cat shows symptoms they definitely treat due to the fact that it can infect humans.


What are the symptoms the cat shows?


from her first post: ".....respiratory symptoms (runny eyes, yucky nose, sneezing). "
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 12/14/2017 4:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
NicHostetler said...
k07 said...
NicHostetler said...
I've read that it is very common for cats to carry bartonella. I think I saw like 80% of them do? I should get mine tested. He likes to play a lot and I get scratched all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if he gave me bart.


They say anywhere from 15-50% of cats have it. Most times it lives in harmony with the cat. But if the cat shows symptoms they definitely treat due to the fact that it can infect humans.


What are the symptoms the cat shows?


from her first post: ".....respiratory symptoms (runny eyes, yucky nose, sneezing). "


My cat just shows puffy red around his eyes along with repiratory stiff if he gets really stressed which is why I asked. My vet said he thinks it's just a herpes infection that will come and go throughout his life. Didn't ask about Bartonella.. I wonder if most vets are even aware of bart..
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

Casa11
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   Posted 12/14/2017 5:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah I've often wondered why the canine Lyme ( and co's) tests are so fast & easy & seemingly accurate, when the human ones aren't.

I get my dogs tested for Lyme ( and heart worm- just cause it's available for $5 dollars more) once a year. It literally takes 5 minutes for results.

I've had dogs test positive but never get sick ( their immune systems were able to handle it) & also dogs who were experiencing symptoms & tested positive, so it would seem the tests are at least more accurate than the human ones....

I wonder if there are any false negatives though? I've never heard a vet mention it as a possibility. My vet also told me that something like 75-85+ % ( might be higher now- she told me these statistics several years ago) of dogs she tests for Lyme test positive, but not all of them become symptomatic. Those numbers are so high it seems like there isn't much room for false negatives... anyway...

When I originally thought I had Lyme & wasn't able to get a doc to order a test, I was very seriously considering begging my vet for one of the dog ones .... haha. Too bad I didn't- I would've gotten treatment way sooner!

Anyway, hope your kitty gets better quickly! She's lucky to have you as her 'person' ! Just thinking of a kitten herxing makes me sad! At least you know what shes going through!

1000Daisies
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   Posted 12/16/2017 11:41 AM (GMT -6)   
This is also a topic I wonder about. Why is testing so much easier/definitive in animals, and yet so much more complex in humans? I'm just not buying some of the arguments given to me. I really feel this is something that should explored further. What are we truly missing here? What can we gain?

This also touches upon the high percentage of pathogens in pets but not necessarily correlate to those who are sick from it. I know I've been flamed on this board in the past for this, but it doesn't stop me from sharing it anyways. smile I am positive for lyme borrelia in my blood, but yet, I don't have many symptoms at all for it. This brings up the topic of if you have the bacteria, does that immediately mean you have lyme disease? I've read arguments on both side of this. We all know we have staph on our skin/etc, but we aren't treating for staph infections (but it really could become a problem if you have cut and turns into an infection, for example).
I've treated for lyme with herbals for numerous months, and I saw no improvement in my symptoms. Yet, I treated for yeast, and that definitely improved many of my main symptoms. I treat for adrenal fatigue, and I see positive results for the fatigue (unfortunately, I react negatively to those supplements so I can't stay on them and am still looking for alternatives).

Such interesting topics to explore and discuss more! smile
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 12/16/2017 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
K07 - I am super sorry about your kitten. Go figure, for sure! It does make me wonder how much more common this is than we realize.

One of my cats has anxiety issues. I have been thinking about getting him tested at our next vet. (We got him long after we became sick, so I'm confident he didn't get us sick. But could we have somehow passed it on to him? Hmmmm....)

You sound amazing - going the extra mile for your new kitten. I bet everybody is super attached and would be difficult to give him up at this point. I can definitely understand that.
Please keep us posted! Wishing you the very best of luck for the kitten and you!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

k07
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   Posted 12/16/2017 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
This is also a topic I wonder about. Why is testing so much easier/definitive in animals, and yet so much more complex in humans? I'm just not buying some of the arguments given to me. I really feel this is something that should explored further. What are we truly missing here? What can we gain?

This also touches upon the high percentage of pathogens in pets but not necessarily correlate to those who are sick from it. I know I've been flamed on this board in the past for this, but it doesn't stop me from sharing it anyways. smile I am positive for lyme borrelia in my blood, but yet, I don't have many symptoms at all for it. This brings up the topic of if you have the bacteria, does that immediately mean you have lyme disease? I've read arguments on both side of this. We all know we have staph on our skin/etc, but we aren't treating for staph infections (but it really could become a problem if you have cut and turns into an infection, for example).
I've treated for lyme with herbals for numerous months, and I saw no improvement in my symptoms. Yet, I treated for yeast, and that definitely improved many of my main symptoms. I treat for adrenal fatigue, and I see positive results for the fatigue (unfortunately, I react negatively to those supplements so I can't stay on them and am still looking for alternatives).

Such interesting topics to explore and discuss more! smile


I am with you on all this!
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