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LymePickle
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   Posted 12/17/2017 8:55 PM (GMT -6)   
So after 4 long years with chronic illness. I think I finally found a protocol that works and is very easy to manage consistently.

Basically it involves detox binders, with liposomal products, and a ketogenic diet of mostly vegetables. Soups, salads, steamed veggies, colostrum and collagen for protein.

The liposomal products I found that I think may treat all around are liposomal cocktail from biopure, and I recently got liposomal biocidin. I think they work when combined against bartonella. Before I was taking biopure 10 in 1 and while it does work it is a little harsh to be honest and people at work can smell it on me so I stopped taking that one but am still using it occasionally in combination with MCT oil for oil pulling when cleaning out my mouth. But when taking the liposomal cocktail and biocidin together... honestly the product is so much easier on my body and easy to tolerate compared to taking antibiotics like I did before or the biopure 10 in 1.

I am also taking quicksilver scientific liposomal vitamin C/ALA, gluathione, “the one”, and the liposomal multi. I just combine them all together in a liposomal drink twice a day.

Also I found binders help tremendously but it seems it is best to use a variety of them. Like the IMD and a new product came out from quicksilver called ultra binder which also seems to help.

I am so glad I found a protocol that works, I guess now it is just keep up with it and take the products consistently!

Girlie
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey, LymePickle - glad to see you're back for a visit!

How long have you been doing this new protocol?
Does it have antibacterial effects...or is it mostly to boost immune function?



Are you just working on the last couple percent of healing at this point?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

eldonkey
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Following. Also can you please share what your symptoms were prior to this and which have resolved themselves? Thanks!

LymePickle
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Girlie I feel optimistic I know what needs to be done now!

Well for the longest time I was using the biopure 10 in 1, and I got to high dose on that, but I just wanted to change it up as that one is kinda harsh.

Sooo... about 3 or 4 weeks ago I just started using the biopure cocktail. (Try googling it), and that alone was enough to keep my symptoms in check, just 1 full dropper twice daily mixed with my liposomal glutathione nd vitamin c. But I found on a detox dudes YouTube he was talking about the ultimate Lyme protocol and he said the liposomal biocidin is the stuff and the most effective of anything, it’s actually a new product that just came out this year. It is broad spectrum takes out most all bacteria, parasites, and yeast. So I ordered it. Just got it on Friday and immediately i’m doing 3 pumps of it twice a day. That is full dose but I did get a tiny herx out of it.

Also I got a vape (not for pleasure or recreational purposes but for medicinal purposes)and I now make a 3% vape with thieves oil... theives oil is what allowed thieves to steal from the dead people when the black plaque hit Europe but they didn’t get sick from the plague as they used thieves oil a blend of cinnamon, lemon, eucalyptis, rosemary, and thyme. Anyways this cleared out my mycoplasma infection in my lungs and I don’t have to take the raintree myco anymore.

I’m also working on the mercury and intestinal toxins with binders. It works!

LymePickle
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie ironically I see Dr. MR just send out a new aritcile on biocidin he’s now recommending it for everyone in his practice, even as a stand alone product.
A pooper scooper trooper. Battling bartonella, Lyme, and mycoplasma.

Somewhere around 90% recovered... Not easy to get the last 10%! open to any advice I can get!

Lapis_29
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   Posted 12/17/2017 9:50 PM (GMT -6)   
LymePickle said...


Also I got a vape (not for pleasure or recreational purposes but for medicinal purposes)and I now make a 3% vape with thieves oil... theives oil is what allowed thieves to steal from the dead people when the black plaque hit Europe but they didn’t get sick from the plague as they used thieves oil a blend of cinnamon, lemon, eucalyptis, rosemary, and thyme. Anyways this cleared out my mycoplasma infection in my lungs and I don’t have to take the raintree myco anymore.


whoa! thats a great idea, vaping EO's, especially since myco p is so hard to treat. you should make a separate post on that, a lot of folks are asking about how to treat myco

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/17/2017 10:45 PM (GMT -6)   
LymePickle this is great news!

You made me think that maybe I need to get my Mom thieves. She has a lung disease and I bet that would really help her.

So happy to hear good news!!

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/17/2017 11:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey, LymePickle:

Congratulations on finding something that seems to be working very well for you! I'm happy for you.

After reading an article on Mycoplasma by Dr. Garth Nicolson, I considered buying the "Myco," "Amazon A‐F," and "Immune Support" products from Raintree that he mentioned, but never followed-through.

My values for Mycoplasma Pneumoniae and Chlamydia Pneumoniae have remained high (and, have gone higher) for the past four years. At present, fatigue continues to be my main issue. Disturbed sleep is a close second.

Have you heard of Lipid Replacement Therapy? This is something else Dr. Nicolson recommends and I found a podcast interview of him discussing the topic.

Anyway, I look forward to reading updates from you and hearing that things continue to improve for you.

Best regards,
The Dude

p.s. - I'm glad you found Josh's /thedetoxdudes.com website. I first heard of him through Alexander at thesupermandiet.com.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/18/2017 12:05 PM (GMT -6)   
LP - Please update us as you continue with this treatment....okay?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/21/2017 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Just thought I'd add that my LLMD recently suggested that Jernigan's biopure cocktail is the way to go. He gave me a transcript of the interview from the lyme summit, and it was interesting reading. It was about getting the bacteria/parasites into the bloodstream to kill it rather than trying to get meds into the biofilm where you also kill good things. It also states antibiox helpful only in acute phase, and in chronic phase can do more harm than good.

So my LLMD says biopure plus the diet (I've mentioned he supports the Gundry Plant Paradox Plan) is the way to go.

I have a lot of Buhner's tinctures to finish, but after that I'm going to switch to biopure. I'm also planning on rifampin every day in January (I've not been able to last more than 2 weeks on it due to stomach pain), and then hopefully done with antibiox.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps

Girlie
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   Posted 12/21/2017 11:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Kat1000 said...
It was about getting the bacteria/parasites into the bloodstream to kill it rather than trying to get meds into the biofilm where you also kill good things.


I don't think any protocols are trying to get meds into biofilms? The opposite...the protocols are trying to release the bacteria from the biofilms.

Xylitol and lactoferrin (I take for biofilms) is to break down the biofilms so the spirochetes can be targeted.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Not feeling well today - caught kids cold. It's Klinghardt from Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 2. The point he was making is there are things we do to destroy the biofilm to get to the disease, but that's bad because there are good things in the biofilm. So we want to get to them without destroying the good.

"And so, unfortunately, all those healthy bugs that we need live also in biofilm and most of the biofilm attempts that are in the Lyme field are very, very wrong intended. We want to keep the healthy biofilm, the healthy microbes. And when you do high-dose enzyme therapy or other things, N-acetyl cysteine, things that destroy biofilm, certain herbs that destroy biofilm, it destroys the undifferentiated, the healthy biofilm and the biofilm that harbors microbes."

He goes onto talk about MIC (microbial inhibition concentration) value, and it gets a little technical for me.

He also says "I personally hold the idea that going through a Herxheimer reaction is an indication that you're doing the wrong thing."

"So we use a special proprietary process of preparing herbs that have known antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral effects. And we prepare them liposomally and we infuse them with different RIFE frequencies and created a cocktail. It's called the CockTail. BioPure is marketing that. It's called the Lyme CockTail.

But that's not the important thing. The important thing is that liposomal herbs have been shown to easily penetrate biofilm and eradicate microbes inside biofilm. that's number one. Secondly, many of the liposomal herbs that we're using have been shown to also get taken up into the intracellular environment. And, of course, in persistent Lyme and coinfections, the bugs live in the intracellular compartment."

It was a long transcript, but I think that's the interesting part about the biofilm.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Kat that is so very interesting.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Kat1000 said...
Not feeling well today - caught kids cold. It's Klinghardt from Chronic Lyme Disease Summit 2. The point he was making is there are things we do to destroy the biofilm to get to the disease, but that's bad because there are good things in the biofilm. So we want to get to them without destroying the good.

"And so, unfortunately, all those healthy bugs that we need live also in biofilm and most of the biofilm attempts that are in the Lyme field are very, very wrong intended. We want to keep the healthy biofilm, the healthy microbes. And when you do high-dose enzyme therapy or other things, N-acetyl cysteine, things that destroy biofilm, certain herbs that destroy biofilm, it destroys the undifferentiated, the healthy biofilm and the biofilm that harbors microbes."

He goes onto talk about MIC (microbial inhibition concentration) value, and it gets a little technical for me.

He also says "I personally hold the idea that going through a Herxheimer reaction is an indication that you're doing the wrong thing."

"So we use a special proprietary process of preparing herbs that have known antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral effects. And we prepare them liposomally and we infuse them with different RIFE frequencies and created a cocktail. It's called the CockTail. BioPure is marketing that. It's called the Lyme CockTail.

But that's not the important thing. The important thing is that liposomal herbs have been shown to easily penetrate biofilm and eradicate microbes inside biofilm. that's number one. Secondly, many of the liposomal herbs that we're using have been shown to also get taken up into the intracellular environment. And, of course, in persistent Lyme and coinfections, the bugs live in the intracellular compartment."

It was a long transcript, but I think that's the interesting part about the biofilm.


Okay - I see what you (he) means...lol....I had a lyme brain moment I think. tongue
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Kat1000
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I have cold brain on top of lyme brain!

I'm hoping LymePickle checks back with an update on the BioPure. After reading the transcript, I really want to try it. I just ordered replacements for all the Buhner herbs, or I'd probably start sooner. But I feel good about my new plan.

I'm also really tired of taking so many different things, so I love the fact that it's all in one tincture.

And I thought twice before I took my NAC this morning. I took it anyway because I'm still on antibiox. After that, I will stop.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and exchange mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. 7/10 added LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps
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